Kings at Pelicans in the blender 12/8/17

Not having Rondo doesn't matter. Team has 0 awareness. When your opponent goes on a run, the coach has to drill into his team how to get a good close shot at the rim.

These dummies just keep chucking 3s no matter what. That stupidity starts at the top.

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

Well gee...does anybody in the organization remember what the hell the offense looked like before Rondo got healthy? Remember those first few weeks? Gee, "rest" Rondo, restrict Davis (and have him give a real half assed effort) and what happens again? Who could have ever predicted? Except for those of us with brain stems of course.

You damage standings, trust, and team chemistry with this sort of nonsense.

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Rondo couldn't go, clearly if he's resting he needed it and Davis is coming back from injury and clearly wasn't 100%. What the heck are you expecting?

We had the lead late and had AD, Cousins, and Jrue in the game. We should have been able to put it away without Rondo. The players missed shots and Zbo went stupid.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

And Gentry trots out the same lineup in overtime... Makes no adjustments. I know he is going to blame the players like he always do but he was terrible tonight

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Those are our best players! He trusted our big 3 and vets to win it. They didn't. What was he supposed to do Bench Jrue and Cousins?

Cousins will get ejected playing vs Embiid. They will be talking all game I'm going to bet heavy on Philly

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

We had our closing lineup out there with a 7 point lead and under 3 minutes left...

This loss is on the starters.

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At best partially.

A) the starters had no floor general to control things because of the coach/organization. Back to Jrue as helpless "PG" paired with perhaps the worst performer on the roster (outside of Diallo) in the early season.

B) Cousins had to carry a ridiculous load while you are screwing around, and just flat tired out -- nice non-defensive adjustments to get the ball out of ZBo's hands after he was having the best game he's had in years too

C) they should never have been in that position anyway

Like I say this was an absolutely classic, textbook, example of how these losses happen. Absolutely textbook. My predicting the Pels were asking for it isn't me displaying any particular genius, it's me having watched the NBA for decades and knowing exactly how this happens. And this was it. YOU CRUSH BAD TEAMS EARLY, then you rest. You never, EVER, toy with them, because once the game gets short, once you have them with their confidence up, anything can happen.

Pels created their own monster tonight, and it bit them hard. If Gentry does get his ****** canned one day, I hope somebody staples the boxscore from this game to his forehead as a little going away memento.

Cousins defense on Randolph tonight was actually comical

Another thing missing is AD putbacks. When somebody drives (usually 1 on 3) to the rim EVERYBODY just stands and watches. Our super long athletic big does not follow them to the rim.

Why? Somebody needs to ask coach gassy.

In typical Genty fashion he blames the players. The team has no leadership. At this point can we just let Rondo be a player/coach , because Gentry has no leadership capabilities at all.

If Davis or Cousins are not playing hard then bench them until the play hard . If they are not doing what you ask them to do then bench them .

Ian Clark had a great game we didn’t see him at all in OT, Miller was playing well we didn’t see him at all.

Gentry is pissed off in this post game interview

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

At best partially.

A) the starters had no general to control things because of the coach/organization

B) Cousins had to carry a ridiculous load while you are screwing around, and just flat tired out -- nice non-defensive adjustments to get the ball out of ZBo's hands after he was having the best game he's had in years too

C) they should never have been in that position anyway

Like I say this was an absolutely classic, textbook, example of how these losses happen. Absolutely textbook. My predicting the Pels were asking for it isn't me displaying any particular genius, it's me having watched the NBA for decades and knowing exactly how this happens. And this was it. YOU CRUSH BAD TEAMS EARLY, then you rest. You never, EVER, toy with them, because once the game gets short, once you have them with their confidence up, anything can happen.

Pels created their own monster tonight, and it bit them hard. If Gentry does get his ****** canned one day, I hope somebody staples the boxscore from this game to his forehead as a little going away memento.

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Clearly this isn't a bad team, as you've pointed out so many times they beat Golden State. They are a young team. It's not like they don't have talent.

You combine our injuries, AD not being fully healthy, and all the sloppy play and it made for a bad game.

I'm sure Gentry would do some things differently if he could go back, but a 7 point lead with ~3 left and your big 3 in the game should be a win. Heck, if Jrue's shot at the end stays down it's a win.

I just don't see how anyone can be furious with Gentry and not be even more pissed at the players.

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Originally Posted by All Metro

Gentry is pissed off in this post game interview

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A bit late. That's the coach's version of fake hustle.

i blame this one on the snow...

The lazy passes, once again, bite them in the ******. After damn near 30 games you can't fix this?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Those are our best players! He trusted our big 3 and vets to win it. They didn't. What was he supposed to do Bench Jrue and Cousins?

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Jrue was playing hard. Cousins had at least 8 turnovers and played no defense all night . I have no doubts that Genty is trying to get Cousins to play defense and be smarter with the ball but if he isn’t listening then put him on the bench.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

In typical Genty fashion he blames the players. The team has no leadership. At this point can we just let Rondo be a player/coach , because Gentry has no leadership capabilities at all.

If Davis or Cousins are not playing hard then bench them until the play hard . If they are not doing what you ask them to do then bench them .

Ian Clark had a great game we didn’t see him at all in OT, Miller was playing well we didn’t see him at all.

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Outside of Pop what coach in the NBA benches their best player/s in crunchtime and still has a job?

We just saw what happened to Memphis when a coach does that. Gasol went over his head and got him fired.

You ride or die with your top players. If they're off, ok fine, it sucks you're pissed, but you play your best.

Could you imagine the meltdown if we pulled AD and Cousins and lost the game? Everyone would be calling for. Gentry to be fired for being so stupid to not play them.

Glad we thought we were the spurs tonight tho and rested our starting point guard even tho it wasn't a back to back. Smart

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Clearly this isn't a bad team, as you've pointed out so many times they beat Golden State.

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Well, let's be clear here though: they "beat" Golden State for the exact same reasons they "beat" the Pels. Golden State was arrogant, screwed around. "rested" it's main ballhandler and MVPs, and said, hey, we can beat these guys with Dray and Klay and the name "Warriors". And they paid for it.

To make the same mistake when you are a franchise that isn't even a pimple on Golden State's arse is just asinine.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Glad we thought we were the spurs tonight tho and rested our starting point guard even tho it wasn't a back to back. Smart

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Calling it rest could mean anything. It could be rest because he has a slight injury. It's clear he needed it otherwise he would have played. The season is a lot longer than 1 game in December.

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

Well, let's be clear here though: they "beat" Golden State for the exact same reasons they "beat" the Pels. Golden State was arrogant, screwed around. "rested" it's main ballhandler and MVPs, and said, hey, we can beat these guys with Dray and Klay and the name "Warriors". And they paid for it.

To make the same mistake when you are a franchise that isn't even a pimple on Golden State's arse is just asinine.

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The same mistake of being up by 7 with 3 left? We had the win in the bag and our BIG 3 dropped the ball.

This is NOTHING like the Warriors loss. Rondo should not be the difference between a win and a loss tonight. He just shouldn't. It's just ****ing asinine to sit here and pretend resting him was the difference.

Our players **** the bed with the lead late in the game. This blood is on our Big 3s hand. They were ALL in the game when it happened.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Outside of Pop what coach in the NBA benches their best player/s in crunchtime and still has a job?

We just saw what happened to Memphis when a coach does that. Gasol went over his head and got him fired.

You ride or die with your top players. If they're off, ok fine, it sucks you're pissed, but you play your best.

Could you imagine the meltdown if we pulled AD and Cousins and lost the game? Everyone would be calling for. Gentry to be fired for being so stupid to not play them.

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How can a coach hold his players accountable? I’m just going to sit here and keep losing while ignoring the fact my star players aren’t playing defense and giving the ball away every other posssion .

It’s gentry job to win games , not coddle grown men . If he feels like he can’t hold his players accountable then he needs to go because he does us no good .

And Memphis made a terrible mistake by doing that.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

How can a coach hold his players accountable? I’m just going to sit here and keep losing while ignoring the fact my star players aren’t playing defense and giving the ball away every other posssion .

It’s gentry job to win games , not coddle grown men . If he feels like he can’t hold his players accountable then he needs to go because he does us no good .

And Memphis made a terrible mistake by doing that.

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It's a player's league. Gentry would be fired tomorrow if he had benched AD and Cousins to close the game and lost. At some point you have to trust your "2 of the top 20 players in the league" to get the win.

Nothing to say about this loss. It just sucks. You're up 8 with 2:30 in regulation playing lethargic and then the Kings cut it to 3 and then you just play frantic and out of control for the the rest of them game scratching your head abouthow you let them back in to the game. There was no leadership and accountability on the court for NOP tonight and they paid for it. I don't think Rondo is going to fix that either. This team needs a new coach. It's a 7th or 8th seed at best without a new coach.

This franchise is an absolute joke ... It’s hard to take this team seriously and the product of the floor is is pretty much a reflection of the lack of leadership and accountability from the ownership , GM , & coach.

No is expecting this team to win titles but losing basketball games because your players aren’t interested and are not playing hard is unacceptable and I just want to see some accountability from someone within the organization.

What are you talking about, Buck? No one ever has any answers. They can tell you we need to fire whomever, trade whomever...but for who? What direction do they want going forward?

Pfft. That'd be putting their opinions out there for scrutiny. And no one wants to ever be wrong about something on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Why all the Complaining?
If it’s all Bad why not go find another team to support.
All you guys do is Bitcch and Bitcch every game win or lose.
It’s the same Cry Baby’s with all the answers.
Go find a team that has a history of winning and support them.
You guys are Pathetic.
Alvin Gentry is a career loser we know that.
DC NBA career loser we know that.
AD NBA career loser we know that.
Nothing is going to change.
So Accept it

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All you do is count 10 games at a time, say AD should be traded, then complain about us, how about you find a new team!

Can't understand this game at all. Every moment that passes is another that calls for gentrys head on a platter. We need to improve the roster and the staff.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

What are you talking about, Buck? No one ever has any answers. They can tell you we need to fire whomever, trade whomever...but for who? What direction do they want going forward?

Pfft. That'd be putting their opinions out there for scrutiny. And no one wants to ever be wrong about something on the internet.

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Hahaha this is so true.

The loss sucks...But their is a lot of basketball left. Hopefully Gentry went in that locker room and chewed them out. They need it. Holiday and Boogie are good/great players, but I am not sure they are the best closers in crunch time. I would rather play through AD in those last couple possessions. Turning the ball over as many times as they do in crunch time is unacceptable. We also started playing ISO ball. Everyone should take notice from the Thunder...no matter how many great players you have...ISO ball loses you more games than it wins. This game could be a turning point in the season for better or worst, but hopefully better and it lights a fire.


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I mean, some manner of culpability has to rest on the players. Gentry can't force Jrue to pass the god damn ball. I mean, on the other hand, I get how he's probably getting mixed signals. His teammates want Jrue to be more aggressive. And I do too. Aggressive Jrue is best Jrue. But just because he's got the most recent big contract, doesn't mean he's the franchise player. Still gotta play through and off of AD.

Can't EVER have situations where AD goes 5 minutes or more without even touching the freaking ball.

Cousins is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen. Dude has a complete game but gets in his own way. He starting to bark at Randolph for some damn reason and Randolph proceeded to punk him and kept getting into his head.

Who can we bring in to get through to him?

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

B) Cousins had to carry a ridiculous load while you are screwing around, and just flat tired out -- nice non-defensive adjustments to get the ball out of ZBo's hands after he was having the best game he's had in years too

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It's as if Cousins is never at fault with you. Dude got wrecked by Zbo, then when we had the lead he managed to ********** at the refs and get in his own head.

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Originally Posted by Zombo

It's as if Cousins is never at fault with you. Dude got wrecked by Zbo, then when we had the lead he managed to ********** at the refs and get in his own head.

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Zbo was playing out of his mind. He wrecked A.D. and Asik while they had him too.

Fools have real issues with Cousins and it taints them terribly. You irrational nimwits see a guy go for 38-10 and HE'S the problem, nevermind nearly every single other piece on the floor performing below season averages. Nonetheless I called this particular game right at every step of the way. Zbo came out playing out of his mind. He hit a career high number of 3pt shots (he's a career .259 shooter, and has never hit more than 32 in a SEASON, and hit 5 tonight), including the backbreaker in the corner over...Jameer Nelson. Why was little Jameer Nelson out there on defensive sequences? Dunno. Anyway, and the COACHING STAFF DID NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. That's not just Gentry, it's that alleged defensive genius of an assistant coach. Mind you, no other coaching staff in the NBA has problems stopping the Kings. The Kings are the lowest scoring team in the league -- they average 95.6pts/gm 30th of 30. When they break 100 it's time for them to break out the bubbly. So you have a completely impotent opponent with a wildly hot former star, who, btw, for those who don't know -- Zach Randolph is one of the 70 highest scoring players in league history. He's got a shot to break the 20,000pt barrier, and this year is about to pass up Julius Erving, Tracey McGrady, and Rick Barry on the all time scoring list. That's HOF territory. So you have Zach Randolph flashing back 5 years surrounded by a totally impotent set of kids, and I can't recall a single double team. A single effort to get the ball out of his hands.

Meanwhile he's physically battling Boogie every possession because that's what he does, Jrue is cowering because he has to think of people other than himself, A.D. is passively floating about like he really doesn't want to be out there, and you have created a situation where Boogie has to do everything for you. You put Jrue at "PG", which is another way of saying you turned him into a scrub, so now Boogie has to carry the whole offense on his own, including being asked to create for everybody because there is no PG. He is being asked to be the only rebounder because A.D. was either hurt, scared, or sitting on the bench. And now he is being asked to single handedly cool a formerly great offensive weapon having a great night...while also trying to occasionally defend the rim. That is a big ole load of B.S. For 30 minutes Boogie won that matchup. But he flat got tired. And if you are not some highly paid retread coach you could see it absolutely happening in the late 3rd. It was OBVIOUS. And so I said at the time that Gentry wasn't calling timeout as we saw him get tired. Then I said that Jrue or A.D. better wake the hell up because ZBo was matching Cousins shot for shot and Boogie needed help. And nothing happened.

It's either pure arrogance getting it's comeuppance, or its passive coaching for a passive franchise. And coaches are supposed to be leaders. And hey, if you aren't going to be a leader as a coach, then you turn it over to your vet...oh, except no, you DEACTIVATED your veteran floor generals and leaders with championship experience.

The Pels approached this game all wrong, and it was top down. And players take their cues from their coaches and leaders.

Man watch the Gentry press conference after the game.
He pissed.

Pretty much said if you don't want to play hard then ****off. He stopped himself though.

Wonder which players he was talking about.
Most were pathetic tonight, but AD just looked like he didn't give a ****. He's not a leader and I don't think he'll ever have that killer instinct.

This team just doesn't hate to lose as much as the true leaders of the NBA.

Why? Here's some answers:
Only 19 assists, because Nelson, Moore, Holiday, Cunningham, Davis could not hit any shots.
Cousins, Davis, and Holiday all made very ill-advised passes trying to force the ball into the middle.
Davis was way less than 100%. No elevation, no lateral movement, no shot until late.

Here's some questions:
Why weren't Clark or Miller in the game late? They actually made some shots.
Why was Rondo not playing?
Why not Davis or Cunningham on Zbo?
How can the refs miss a punch to the face by Zbo on Cousins with the score tied at 105?
Why do we lose every home game I attend?

Gentry DID recognize Cousins was tired and DID call a timeout late in the 3rd to rest Cousins. He used it with 3:10 left in the 3rd and he put only Asik in as a big and the Pels outscored Sac 7-6 to close out the quarter.

If blame is to be laid at Gentry it isn't about whether Rondo played or not either. That's stupid. If a vet needs rest he needs rest. And this team should STILL have been able to beat them without him. Actually, they already did earlier this year.

Where I fault Gentry is how he handled the 4th qtr rotation. He should have played Asik to help guard Zbo when it became apparent AD wasn't 100%. 3 minutes more of rest for AD or not having to have AD/Cunningham try to guard Zbo would have been helpful.

But even the questionable rotation he used in the 4th, that still shouldn't have mattered because with 2:32 seconds left in the game we had an 8 point lead AND THE BALL - Cousins had gotten his rest, AD and Jrue should still have been realitively fresh having not checked into the game until 7:13 in the 4th, And our big 3 blew it.

They blew it. Here is the sequence to end the 4th:
Cousins missed layup
3 pt by Hield
Moore missed midrange shot
2pt score by Hield
Cousins missed 3pt shot
2pt by Zbo

Timeout by NO with 1:03 to play. They had just called a TO with 3:04 to play so Gentry used 2 within a 2 minute period.

Dunk by Cousins
3 by Hield to tie the game
Miss by Jrue
Miss by Sac

Now we can sit here and people can have their little outrage at Gentry and the coaching staff but he cannot force players to make shots. You know he wasn't sitting on the sidelines yelling, "ISO BALL, ISO BALL." and he took two timeouts in the final 3 minutes to try and corral the players back in as they absolutely threw the game away offensively and defensively.

What happened in overtime was after the players had already just lost heart and Zbo made some stupid shots. Where we lost the game was late in the 4th an that falls squarely on the shoulders of the players.

Most of you guys support the Pelicans from your sofa.
So it’s easy to find fault and complain.
This franchise is a Loser for the most part.
So why don’t you guys just find a new team with winning history.
I accept them as they are. Loyal fan of the league supporter of the Pelicans.
I just call it as I see it.

You keep calling AD a career loser. But name the last team who only had an elite big and achieved success in the league. Put John Wall on this team, and AD is not a career loser. Put Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul or James Harden, and they aren't losers. They're contenders. Holding the failings of the franchise against the player is tepid.

But I think you know that.

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Most of you guys support the Pelicans from your sofa.
So it’s easy to find fault and complain.
This franchise is a Loser for the most part.
So why don’t you guys just find a new team with winning history.
I accept them as they are. Loyal fan of the league supporter of the Pelicans.
I just call it as I see it.

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Get off your soapbox dude, let these fans vent. You’re trolling schitck has gotten old. Time for some new material.