If the Cavs know they'll lose Lebron, then they should just take our backup guards and as many first's as they can from us and sign Rose. It's pointless for Bledsoe to be traded to the Cavs if he isn't enough to make Lebron stay
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If the Cavs know they'll lose Lebron, then they should just take our backup guards and as many first's as they can from us and sign Rose. It's pointless for Bledsoe to be traded to the Cavs if he isn't enough to make Lebron stay
Nuggets have the better long term assets on potential if they send both Mudiay and Murray, but how much better are they vs Moore and Crawford. Can Mudiay get better cause he's been average at best since he came into the league 2 years ago.
Obligatory post non-Cousins Kyrie trade depth chart:
Cousins
Davis
Hill
Holiday
Irving/ Rondo
I doubt we can get Kyrie without giving up one of the big 3. Either AD, Boogie or Jrue has to go.
We won't trade AD. That would be dumb as hell.
We've committed to Jrue, and I think we're the only team that would pay him what we are.
Boogie is expiring and may not resign. If we were to trade one of them I think we'd have to trade Boogie
I'd love to keep them all and get Kyrie I just don't think its possible.
Jrue did hit the market and if you believe the reports, was heavily involved with Indiana on contract talks. The Pelicans may have (and I stress may, because we don't know what Jrue was offered elsewhere), but re-signing him was an offseason priority and the team got it done.
Now, IF New Orleans swings a Kyrie deal, basketball becomes even more relevant in the city and Davis/Kyrie/Cousins is a FORMIDABLE Big 3. Like compete with the Warriors formidable.
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Y'all see this? Maybe I missed it. Sorry if a reposted. TBW weighs in
https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/7...-holiday-rondoQuote:
No, if I had to wager, either Demps was merely doing his due diligence by gauging the asking price of Cleveland, or he notified Koby Altman, the Cavaliers new general manger, that New Orleans could help facilitate a possible multi-team deal by including salary and future draft picks.
Sorry guys, but I don’t believe Kyrie Irving is a realistic scenario for the New Orleans Pelicans in any direct trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
I said it early on this thread, if Dell is willing to offer 3 unprotected 1's and 3 pick swaps, he could put himself in the game. The Pelicans are a small market team that has a history of being in the lottery, no history of attracting free agents, and could begin leaking superstars next summer if they don't get out of the first round. Playoffs may not be enough to keep Boogie, depending on who comes calling.
Could Cleveland sell their fans on a "process" built around the Pelican's picks? Or a Boston Celtics like rebuild based on a treasure trove of a draft assets?
I don't know. But if you're Dell, you include as many draft picks as possible, with the knowledge that you've never nailed a 1st round pick and can always go the Warriors rout of buying 2nd round picks if you see a guy you have to have. Benson is old as dirt; I keep waiting for the organization to really go all in and trade the future to try to win the old man a title now. They've halfassed this for a while, but if you're going to be a monkey, you might as well be a gorilla!
What's the maximum number of future picks we can trade? Let's do that!
Cleveland is trying to win NOW... no way they'll accept just picks. I mean it would make sense for them to try to stock up with picks because this is LBJ's last year there, then they'll dive back into mediocrity. But with them trying to compete with GS in next year's finals they won't trade Kyrie unless they get someone in return that will give them at least 18 ppg.
We don't have the assets to pull this off by ourselves unless you trade Boogie, and I doubt we do that. As the TBW guys mentioned the only way we're in this deal is to be a 3rd team to make the trade work to send Kyrie elsewhere.
If Kyrie was a Pelican and Cousins requested a trade.. we would be trying to figure out how many picks we can add to Kyrie to bring in Cousins. Either trade talks are uber fun or Pelican fans hate Pelican players.
I'm thinking the alleged call Dell Demps put in may have been to inquire about being part of a 3/4 team trade, not to get Kyrie.
On Kyrie: Dude seems to be a bit of an "odd duck". Willing to leave a team that has one of the greatest players of all time and in contention for a finals appearance every year (especially in the East). Lets not forget Kyrie's as the alpha dog before LeBron came back, was not successful.
Also, he believes the world is flat. Makes me question his....logical thinking abilities.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ves-earth-flat
Dell is calling any and everybody to try to attach Asik to any deal possible. Buy one get one sandwich from Subway? How about you take Asik's contract back and you can keep the chips?
I do find one thing about this to be very interesting. Some of the people killing Kyrie for wanting to leave a championship team where he has to play 2nd banana to LeBron are the same people who killed Durant for leaving OKC so that he could join up with other elite players and try to win a championship.
Either you want NBA players to want to be the Alpha Dog, or you don't. Kyrie has a ring, but thinks it means more if he goes out and wins as the lead start instead of being a contributor to LeBron's legacy. Pippen has just as many championships as Michael. They probably don't win all of those without Pippen, yet he's synonymous with Robin in a somewhat demeaning way to Batman and MJ.
Durant tried for 9 years to lead his team to a championship and it didn't happen. Hell, LeBron got 7 years in Cleveland as the leading man before he jumped on over to the Heat because he realized he couldn't do it.
Kyrie was a #1 draft choice, expected to lead a franchise, and only got 3 years before he was demoted. He may think the world is flat, but wanting to lead his own team is perfectly reasonable and I'd think the people who crushed Durant would understand that.
The emo depression never ends around here does it? First they were going to pay him the max. Then it was going to be 30 mil. Now it's 25 per, below what ANYBODY'S opinion was, and still the dark clothes and black lipstick?
Last I checked Indiana, the Lakers, and New York was interested in him. But those rumors don't fit the emo talk does it?
And if those incentives are being achieved, then the team is probably having success and you'd have nothing to whine about right?
Jrue being a shooting guard (who can also play PG) has to change how people view the signing, but I don't think it has. As a SG, Jrue was probably the #1 option on the market this year, and whether he lives up to his contract depends on how he ultimately compares to Victor Oladipo, Bradley Beal, and Tim Hardaway Jr.
I think he has the opportunity to be a top 5 shooting guard. He can be better than Oladipo, but can he be as good as Beal? It's a disaster if he's not as good as Hardaway.
If Dell gets Kyrie here without moving Cousins he's a top 5 GM. ALL TIME. lol
Those incentives hard cap us. Other teams may have been interested in Jrue, but show me a team willing to give him the contract that we gave him. It's real cute to attribute legit criticism without a factual counter argument as "emo." Where are the shooters that we desperately need? O yeah, we can't get them due to Jrue's terrible contract.
How can you demand a "factual" counter argument when the argument is based on a factless opinion to begin with? And again, if those incentives are being reached then the player DESERVES what they are being paid.
I have no other choice but to call this "awful contract" rant based on nothing but an opinion emo. That is a fact. There is nothing legit about your opinion unless you can provide some facts to back it up. You have none.
Well, the west will be getting harder with kyrie on the t-wolves or another good team because the cavs would be dumb to keep him in the east unless they get a knock out offer....
3 unprotected 1's, a bunch of 2nd round picks, a few pick swaps... send them Moore, Qpn, Ajinca, 2Pane. Because they're paying the repeater tax, they can potentially save a boatload of money if they can reach an injury settlement Qpon and cut 2Pane. Moore is a useful player and the picks speak for themselves. I think it's a long shot, but I think any time a team in the West offers you unprotected picks they have to be taken seriously because of how difficult it is to make the playoffs in the West. If you think the Pelicans lose Boogie, then Kyrie, and ultimately AD, those picks set your franchise up for the next 10 years.
I'd take Wall because he is a legit game changing star. I don't care what guys like that make. Davis and Cousins deserve every dollar they can get. Jrue does not. We desperately overpaid a mediocre player and sacrificed any chance in adding much needed shooting depth.
Did you misspell the title of this thread? I think it should read "Kyrie wants trade from CLE to NOP"
At least that's what it should be after reading some of these posts :)
Ding ding ding!
I'm with you and luckyman. Kyrie would be cool, but not for Boogie or AD. And yeah, I don't see it happening otherwise.
Any chance we could do a three team trade where we get Kyrie, some other team that realizes they have a good player but not enough to make it and need to reload sends said player to the Cavs, and that third team gets Diallo and a few high picks from us? The good player has to be good enough to appease the Cavs but the organization has to feel it's time to reload. Does a third team like that exist? I can't think of any.
Maaaaybe. And I thought about Melo. But I just don't know if everyone would be pleased with those scenarios. One thing to remember, though, is that NBA history seems to have more lopsided trades than even ones. The biggest mistake we make as fans is that we always assume things will be even. Goes against us more than for us a lot. Lol
Yes he could, and if he opts in instead of signing a new deal then he becomes an awesome trade chip for us, 25m and expiring. Allows us to make some big moves if we want since we can trade him to a team not looking for long term deal. Even if he opts in, it's a better deal. Actually, it's probably even better for us if he does.
I highly doubt he will though.
No I don't. I was specifically saying that Lowry is going to make in 3 years what Jrue will make in 4. That point alone is enough to swing it. The possible 5th year is an added bonus for us because it's expiring. Maybe Jrue opts in, maybe he doesn't. Either way it's a better deal.
But look at the list of NBA and how many have opted out when they had the chance this summer. Heck Swaggy P and Cunningham both opted out. Rudy Gay opted out, Galloway opted out, Hayward opted out, the list goes on. I feel the odds are very low that he opts into that last year. It would probably take a massive injury.