Jrue Holiday signs 5 year 126 Mil deal with Pels

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This isn't a bad contract nor is it based on potential. Otherwise the incentives wouldn't be in there. Why is Moore's contract bad?

This board needs a serious infusion of folks that know what the hell they are talking about.

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Don't worry I'm sure mm will come along at some point to tell us all how stupid we are lol

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This isn't a bad contract nor is it based on potential. Otherwise the incentives wouldn't be in there. Why is Moore's contract bad?

This board needs a serious infusion of folks that know what the hell they are talking about.

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Makes you want MM back full time.

I could see us trading Jrue to Washington for Wall if he isn't willing to sign their offer one day.

Throw in Hill and two 1sts or 1st and a 2nd.

MM actually hates this contract. I follow him on Twitter and he is not a fan of this but is optimistic Dell will make other "smaller" great deals. He think we should go for Bledsoe to try to get a 3rd seed in the West.

If somebody's claiming go for Bledsoe and the Pelicans can get a 3 seed in the west??
Lol is he drinking? Warriors Spurs Thunder Rockets that is the Top 4 no given order.
The Pelicans have won barely 60 games total in 2 years. So loosely making that claim of a 3 spot is ludicrous to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

MM actually hates this contract. I follow him on Twitter and he is not a fan of this but is optimistic Dell will make other "smaller" great deals. He think we should go for Bledsoe to try to get a 3rd seed in the West.

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Well at least he's offering a balanced critique of everything.

This deal had to be done IMO. I may be biased, but I thought he was the best free agent point guard out there. I'd take him over Teague & Lowry, mainly cause of his ability to play & guard both guard spots. Plus he's younger than those 2 as well.

Offering him that much when it kills cap space not just now but going forward for yrs & all it does is prevent us from getting worse.....is INSANE.

Never mind dude always gets hurt.

Jrue, AD, Boogie coached by Gentry, we saw how that worked out. Those same four aren't going to bring that much better results this season. Sorry to pis in the cornflakes of those leaning on hope, it aint happening.

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Originally Posted by SilkySlim

Offering him that much when it kills cap space not just now but going forward for yrs & all it does is prevent us from getting worse.....is INSANE.

Never mind dude always gets hurt.

Jrue, AD, Boogie coached by Gentry, we saw how that worked out. Those same four aren't going to bring that much better results this season. Sorry to pis in the cornflakes of those leaning on hope, it aint happening.

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Shouldn't you be crying on the kings forum or something good god

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Shouldn't you be crying on the kings forum or something good god

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Why would I do that? I've been a fan here longer than you anyway. You could have told us why it's a good deal instead of trying to attack the poster. No one here has really broken it down.

AD: 18/19 25M, 19/20 27M
Jrue: 18/19 25M, 19/20 25M
Solomon: 18/19 12.7M, 19/20 13.3M
Asik: 18/19 11M, 19/20 12M
Moore: 18/19 8.8M, 19/20 8.6M

So add it up. That's about 83M due to those five the next two yrs. That obviously doesn't account for Boogie who'd be getting 25-30M if not more if re-signed.

So with those contracts and to re-sign Boogie it's looking like a minimum of 108M for SIX players in 18/19 and 19/20 and it easily could be 113M+ with a re-signed Boogie. And it probably aint a playoff caliber team and there really isn't anything added to the squad of value or quality.

I'm glad you think this is a good situation. But basic math suggests its a complete mess.

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Originally Posted by SilkySlim

Why would I do that? I've been a fan here longer than you anyway. You could have told us why it's a good deal instead of trying to attack the poster. No one here has really broken it down.

AD: 18/19 25M, 19/20 27M
Jrue: 18/19 25M, 19/20 25M
Solomon: 18/19 12.7M, 19/20 13.3M
Asik: 18/19 11M, 19/20 12M
Moore: 18/19 8.8M, 19/20 8.6M

So add it up. That's about 83M due to those five the next two yrs. Then obviously doesn't account for Boogie who'd be getting 25-30M if not more is re-signed.

So with those contracts and to re-sign Boogie it's looking like a minimum of 108M for SIX players in 18/19. And it probably aint a playoff caliber team and there really isn't anything added to the squad of value or quality.

I'm glad you think this is a good situation. But basic math suggests its a complete mess.

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Didn't attack the poster attacked your non stop complaining post but hey thanks for being here "longer" buddy

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Didn't attack the poster attacked your non stop complaining post but hey thanks for being here "longer" buddy

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All you're doing is complaining about the poster while ignoring the actual points made. How about you tell us why the above is a good situation.

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Originally Posted by SilkySlim

All you're doing is complaining about the poster while ignoring the actual points made. How about you tell us why the above is a good situation.

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No I'm complaining about your posts :) and thats easy we have competent pg instead of a cheap slightly below average one I really couldn't care less how much they paid him doesn't bother me in the slightest :)

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Of the 394 minutes that Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins shared the floor, Jrue Holiday was also on the floor for 95% of them.

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017

In the 376 minutes Jrue Holiday shared floor with Davis & Boogie, Pelicans had scoring margin of a 54-win team last season. There's promise.

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017

SS you are dead on with your fuzzy math.
I don't see how we crack the top 7 in the west based on the same players and Head Coach.
Most of these guys on the forum look at POTENTIAL WINS
Facts stat otherwise. Cousins was forced to New Orleans via trade not because he seen POTENTIAL.
Modern NBA don't have the same mindset as 90s NBA. Starting two Big Men. History says it works well.
My issue honestly is Head Coach. We have a guy who is lost as a leader. I think Finch was forced on him.
Again I blame the Pelicans for not wanting to pay for a high quality Head Coach when they were searching.
Scotty Brooks Tom Thibeau Van Gundy were available but at higher price tags. The Pelicans went with the lower spectrum in Gentry. All points to accountability in the ball club. I don't think it's a good situation myself.
We should have moved on from Holiday and went with another option due to we need change.

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Originally Posted by MG3n2K9

Of the 394 minutes that Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins shared the floor, Jrue Holiday was also on the floor for 95% of them.— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017


In the 376 minutes Jrue Holiday shared floor with Davis & Boogie, Pelicans had scoring margin of a 54-win team last season. There's promise.— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017

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Shhh, you can't put those types of things out there

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

Shhh, you can't put those types of things out there

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If only the entire season was 376 mins. Dang it!

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If only the entire season was 394 mins. Dang it!

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Ikr let's just dicount the good things awe shucks

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Originally Posted by MG3n2K9

Of the 394 minutes that Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins shared the floor, Jrue Holiday was also on the floor for 95% of them.

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017

In the 376 minutes Jrue Holiday shared floor with Davis & Boogie, Pelicans had scoring margin of a 54-win team last season. There's promise.

— Micah Adams (@MicahAdams13) June 30, 2017

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Using that as some sort of lithmus test is so flawed. Where to start? This being a different season? The coaching staff and system being different? Other teams in the West being better? The teams the 3 of those guys were healthy for were a combined below .500? Where do we start?

we need a three still, we need to waive/stretch asik and ajinca. I think we need to go after a guy like will barton. I think we need to look into trading moore/hill. I think we will wind up signing the other holiday too...

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

MM actually hates this contract. I follow him on Twitter and he is not a fan of this but is optimistic Dell will make other "smaller" great deals. He think we should go for Bledsoe to try to get a 3rd seed in the West.

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I'm for getting Bledsoe! I like trading for him and sign CJ Miles and Collison with the MLE.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

He will be outside of the top ten as early as next season. Right about where he should be.

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THANK YOU. It's nutty how people STILL don't understand how pretty much every new deal over the last couple years has been done with the future cap jumps in consideration.

For instance right now, Conley is around where he should be...making between Curry/Wall and the 2nd/3rd tier Teagues, Holidays, etc. Last year his deal looked silly.

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Originally Posted by djpaul89

THANK YOU. It's nutty how people STILL don't understand how pretty much every new deal over the last couple years has been done with the future cap jumps in consideration.

For instance right now, Conley is around where he should be...making between Curry/Wall and the 2nd/3rd tier Teagues, Holidays, etc. Last year his deal looked silly.

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But Teague is not making as much as Jrue, and he is an AS too (and more recently might I add). Jrue should have been paid more around the Teague range (he isn't a top tier pg).

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Originally Posted by djpaul89

THANK YOU. It's nutty how people STILL don't understand how pretty much every new deal over the last couple years has been done with the future cap jumps in consideration.

For instance right now, Conley is around where he should be...making between Curry/Wall and the 2nd/3rd tier Teagues, Holidays, etc. Last year his deal looked silly.

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Like the cap jumped up a whopping $5 million this year, so that allows stupid teams like the Pels to pay average at best players like Jrue possibly $30 million a year. We will regret this deal tremendously. I have no doubt.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Using that as some sort of lithmus test is so flawed. Where to start? This being a different season? The coaching staff and system being different? Other teams in the West being better? The teams the 3 of those guys were healthy for were a combined below .500? Where do we start?

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Lol. You are a lost cause.

"Average at best." Lol okay. There is a sizable contingent here who really believes Jrue is a total scrub...

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I have my doubts about Jrue but he is no scrub. He is a two way player and there arent that many. I would prefer Jrue at 22m rather than Teague at 19. 25m is not the best deal but it's not horrible. Jrue is solid but there is quite a good chance we all will be happy with his contract and regret there is player option in his 5th year. Another positive aspect of giving him the contract is that the organization did exactly what they had been saying for months and that must be something new for Cousins :). We need to add another starting guard and find some bench pieces and we are ready to compete next year. I just hope we dont overpay Jrue's brother

At his best Jrue is a phenomenal player, he's already in pre season training, so is AD, so is DmC.

This is going to be a special year for us

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

I'm for getting Bledsoe! I like trading for him and sign CJ Miles and Collison with the MLE.

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Thinking way too high. No way anyone will get Miles AND Collison with the MLE. Also, I cannot see that we have much that the Suns would want for Bledsoe unless one 1st rounder and scraps would get it done.

Right!!! They don't know bball...

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Lol. You are a lost cause.

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Let's hope you are right and this contract isn't.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Thinking way too high. No way anyone will get Miles AND Collison with the MLE. Also, I cannot see that we have much that the Suns would want for Bledsoe unless one 1st rounder and scraps would get it done.

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So, a rebuilding team, looking to get Bledsoe off the books & younger wouldn't want Diello and a 1st round pick. That seems ODD !

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Originally Posted by Tinman

So, a rebuilding team, looking to get Bledsoe off the books & younger wouldn't want Diello and a 1st round pick. That seems ODD !

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Need to match salaries. Who else would they want to get close to Bledsoe's $14 million? We don't have short term contracts or young players that would interest them.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

So, a rebuilding team, looking to get Bledsoe off the books & younger wouldn't want Diello and a 1st round pick. That seems ODD !

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Asik. They are not in it to win it this year & next year Asik could be stretched to almost nothing. So, they get a promising big and a 2018 1st round pick to get rid of Bledsoe & eat a bad contract for 18 months.

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Originally Posted by djpaul89

"Average at best." Lol okay. There is a sizable contingent here who really believes Jrue is a total scrub...

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I'd lump Holiday with Teague and George Hill as the 13-15 best point guards in the league. Holiday is making $6-11 million a year more than Teague with twice as much guaranteed money. $6-11 million would buy us a true sixth man. We don't even have a starter quality SG or SF. 3 years for $57 million vs 5 years for 125 to 150 million. That is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I'd lump Holiday with Teague and George Hill as the 13-15 best point guards in the league. Holiday is making $6-11 million a year more than Teague with twice as much guaranteed money. $6-11 million would buy us a true sixth man. We don't even have a starter quality SG or SF. 3 years for $57 million vs 5 years for 125 to 150 million. That is just stupid.

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Here's the BIG HOLE in your POV . Jrue is not going to play PG. so, we paid 25 to a guy that is playing a position that he has proven ZILCH.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I'd lump Holiday with Teague and George Hill as the 13-15 best point guards in the league. Holiday is making $6-11 million a year more than Teague with twice as much guaranteed money. $6-11 million would buy us a true sixth man. We don't even have a starter quality SG or SF. 3 years for $57 million vs 5 years for 125 to 150 million. That is just stupid.

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Totally this

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Asik. They are not in it to win it this year & next year Asik could be stretched to almost nothing. So, they get a promising big and a 2018 1st round pick to get rid of Bledsoe & eat a bad contract for 18 months.

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Can't see them taking on $25 in guaranteed money for Asik just to stretch him next year.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Can't see them taking on $25 in guaranteed money for Asik just to stretch him next year.

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PF, that's the give and take. We are giving them a promising young big, a 1st round pick & they are getting rid of 30 million guaranteed. So, they eat Asiks contract and pick up 2 young players. Pho would probably offer us Knight faster than Bledsoe. 45 guaranteed for 3 yrs on his. I think I would prefer Bledsoe.

JJ Reddick just got $23M... y'all bugging

When will people realize that whether he got $17m or $30m we are still over the cap for the next 3 seasons (assuming we maxing Boogie which is the plan) and that those $6-$11m are not spendable on any FA?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

JJ Reddick just got $23M... y'all bugging

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1 year though. The 76ers need to spend to the floor and wanted to maintain flexibility. That is why they are paying so much for 1 year.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

1 year though. The 76ers need to spend to the floor and wanted to maintain flexibility. That is why they are paying so much for 1 year.

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Exactly, they literally have to overspend, and are doing so wisely with Reddick: short-term deal, fills a need, and great locker room personality.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

1 year though. The 76ers need to spend to the floor and wanted to maintain flexibility. That is why they are paying so much for 1 year.

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Fair enough. But Allen Crabbe is making 18.5M a year. I expected JJ to get the same. Holiday is a much better player than both of those guys.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Fair enough. But Allen Crabbe is making 18.5M a year. I expected JJ to get the same. Holiday is a much better player than both of those guys.

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One bad contract doesn't justify another.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

One bad contract doesn't justify another.

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I don't think they are bad contracts. That's just what players are getting now, it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I don't think they are bad contracts. That's just what players are getting now, it is what it is.

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If Crabbe's contract wasn't bad, Portland wouldn't be looking to move it one year in. It is widely acknowledged as terrible. Disagreeing with that assesment either shows a lack of understanding about the player or the market.

I'm not even going to get into Jrue's contract because that's been covered extensively enough. The facts are there, you can interpret them how you want. But using Crabbe's contract to justify Jrue's is plain silly.

If anything, Crabbe's contract is an example of what not to do, which is to overpay because everyone else is. That's how bad teams operate.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I'd lump Holiday with Teague and George Hill as the 13-15 best point guards in the league. Holiday is making $6-11 million a year more than Teague with twice as much guaranteed money. $6-11 million would buy us a true sixth man. We don't even have a starter quality SG or SF. 3 years for $57 million vs 5 years for 125 to 150 million. That is just stupid.

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Whats a "true sixth man"? Because Jordan Crawford played as well as the guy the just won the award for that. His stats say as much.

And if you are going to include the $11 million incentivized portion of Holiday's contract, then he is no longer in your 13-15 group now is he?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

JJ Reddick just got $23M... y'all bugging

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Lol yea for 1 year

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Whats a "true sixth man"? Because Jordan Crawford played as well as the guy the just won the award for that. His stats say as much.

And if you are going to include the $11 million incentivized portion of Holiday's contract, then he is no longer in your 13-15 group now is he?

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This and sure you can say it was a limited amount of time sure if he was a rook but this guy is a vet who's been there and played a significant role on teams I mean people don't even know how he wasn't on a teams to begin with

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