Pels/Nuggets Gameday Thread Part Three: War For The 9th Seed contd..

He has no mental fortitude. He's just out there with the exact same mouth open expression all game every game.

Jesus did Jrue just throw that game, 2 huge turnovers in crunch time...... what was that!!?? This guy def ain't worth the money he makin wow...

Jrue's handles are incredibly suspect and inconsistent and that was just a prime example that unfortunately came at a time when the spotlight was on him.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

He has no mental fortitude. He's just out there with the exact same mouth open expression all game every game.

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He has no passion for this game . He doesn't have the drive to be great . He is a good player from god given talent

******** ******** ********.....new coach , we need to go after cp3 and a shootee from.the jazz..this ******** pisses me off..we were still alive..i guarantee you that portland losses the rest of its games

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Can't pay him $30 million.

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Philly can have him. He's officially checked out for this season. We need someone with a dog mentality at PG.

With us having his bird rights, can we sign and trade him?

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Originally Posted by steno

Jesus did Jrue just throw that game, 2 huge turnovers in crunch time...... what was that!!?? This guy def ain't worth the money he makin wow...

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Jrue is the captain of this tank.

Jrue is a scorer..we need to keep him, but we neeeeed to also go after cp3 and a couple shooters..cp3 has a great bball iq

I think we can stop debating whether a team with pay him a max or even close to it.

That book was closed the minute we were forced to start Tim Frazier next to him. And Jrue's awful turnover problem and inability to command the floor was the reason for that. They wanted to get the ball out of his hands. Straight up.

He'll be lucky to sniff $20 mil.

I'm ok with Gentry 1 more year, but Demps has got to go. Waaayyy too many busts and dead money.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Jrue with the great vision again to find AD on a cut. Where are these people who say Jrue can't run the offense?

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you jinx him but then again,,jrue was just being him at the end....

Chris Paul isn't coming back .. Y'all can forget about that. If he is trying to win a ring he will have way better options than to come here. We don't have the money and we aren't that appealing to lure him in

Haha

Jrue will get a max deal ..

We just have to pray that we get lucky. We need that top 3 pick or else... its so damn #pelslife to have to pay Jrue 25 million and then still have to basically use the MLE on a spot starter at PG to play alongside him...


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If we lose Jrue we won't have a starting caliber NBA guard on our team.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Jrue will get a max deal ..

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I am one of the main pissed off fans around here and i want jrue to stay..we tend to look at the end of games,but forget how we even got to this..we need a playmaker and scorer..jrue is that guy, but we need more shooters and defenders..hill and frazier should not be starting. if steph curry becomes a free agent...Im offering him the max and telling boogie and ad to renegotiate their current deals to make it fit

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

We just have to pray that we get lucky. We need that top 3 pick or else... its so damn #pelslife to have to pay Jrue 25 million and then still have to basically use the MLE on a spot starter at PG to play alongside him...


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WRONG!

We can trade our 2018 pick or use the 16M in cap space to get another starting level guard next to Jrue.
We then use the MLE and exceptions to re-sign Cunningham and another wing.
Stretch Asik.
We then go over the cap to re-sign Jrue.

There are options people it's not all doom and gloom.
The only issue with 'paying' Jrue is what will this do for future signings.

Get used to it people our core is AD, Cousins and Holiday.
If Asik wasn't such a waste of a signing then there wouldn't be a problem paying Jrue 25M compared to 20M.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

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Mike Conley got one ... Jrue will definitely get one

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

Philly can have him. He's officially checked out for this season. We need someone with a dog mentality at PG.

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So someone who thinks about going for walks, belly rubs, chasing squirels, etc.?

Jrue wont get the max, we are banking on paying him somewhere around $20m per, if we give him $25m...well, theres your new Asik bonehead contract.

i think if the clippers get bounced in the 1st round, we may sign cp3 and carmelo to a 1 year deal....cp3,jrue,carmelo,ad,boogie

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

So someone who thinks about going for walks, belly rubs, chasing squirels, etc.?

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:hihi: Not quite. But I was thinking along the lines of a Bledsoe, Isiah Thomas, or Westbrook type of mentality. Thanks for making me feel better after a frustrating loss.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

WRONG!

We can trade our 2018 pick or use the 16M in cap space to get another starting level guard next to Jrue.
We then use the MLE and exceptions to re-sign Cunningham and another wing.
Stretch Asik.
We then go over the cap to re-sign Jrue.

There are options people it's not all doom and gloom.
The only issue with 'paying' Jrue is what will this do for future signings.

Get used to it people our core is AD, Cousins and Holiday.
If Asik wasn't such a waste of a signing then there wouldn't be a problem paying Jrue 25M compared to 20M.

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I though we only got the 16 million in space is if Jrues hold came off the books. But whatever, it doesn't matter to me as long as there are scenarios that we can at least explore that don't require us to assume that we have to sign Jrue.


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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

If we lose Jrue we won't have a starting caliber NBA guard on our team.

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Apparently spite is enough reason for that to be acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Motivation2k12

i think if the clippers get bounced in the 1st round, we may sign cp3 and carmelo to a 1 year deal....cp3,jrue,carmelo,ad,boogie

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You do understand there is such as thing as a team cap don't you?

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

I though we only got the 16 million in space is if Jrues hold came off the books. But whatever, it doesn't matter to me as long as there are scenarios that we can at least explore that don't require us to assume that we have to sign Jrue.


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No 16M is the space we have with the cap going up and players coming off the books.
With Jrue's cap hold coming off we will have more.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

You do understand there is such as thing as a team cap don't you?

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I was going to say we would go over to get them and just pay the luxury tax, but then I saw that he thinks we can get Melo too.

I wouldn't even want Melo if he wanted to come here.

10 years ago, sure.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I was going to say we would go over to get them and just pay the luxury tax, but then I saw that he thinks we can get Melo too.

I wouldn't even want Melo if he wanted to come here.

10 years ago, sure.

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You can't do this with free agent signings.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

You can't do this with free agent signings.

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Forget Melo entirely.

Is it possible now?


Also, no playoffs? We were bounced?

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Mike Conley got one ... Jrue will definitely get one

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Jrue Holiday is not in Mike Conley's class. Which says a lot.

Wait..... Hill shot 5-7 from 3. How long has this been going on?

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Jrue Holiday is not in Mike Conley's class. Which says a lot.

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Same caliber player ...

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Forget Melo entirely.

Is it possible now?


Also, no playoffs? We were bounced?

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Unless there is a sign and trade we can absorb CP3.
Forget it.....it ain't happening.
He will get paid this year by the Clippers.

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Originally Posted by BlackJacket

Wait..... Hill shot 5-7 from 3. How long has this been going on?

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Every 10-15 games he comes out of no where and does something like this

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Same caliber player ...

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If we have Mike Conley tonight this is a 10 pt W.

Or a clutch W in the least.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Unless there is a sign and trade we can absorb CP3.
Forget it.....it ain't happening.
He will get paid this year by the Clippers.

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And if not the clippers he will go to a definite contender. He isn't taking a pay to play in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

If we have Mike Conley tonight this is a 10 pt W.

Or a clutch W in the least.

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Mike Conley isn't worth his contract but the Grizz had no choice because no one is beating down the door to go to Memphis . We are in the exact same situation with Jrue. The Grizz couldn't have replaced Conley

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Mike Conley isn't worth his contract but the Grizz had no choice because no one is beating down the door to go to Memphis . We are in the exact same situation with Jrue. The Grizz couldn't have replaced Conley

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Conley is putting up 20.5 points, 6.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 2.2 T/O and a PER of 23.

Jrue is at 15.6, 7.2, 1.6, 2.9 T/Os, and a PER of 17.30.

Conley's stat line is worth 20 mil. He's not part of their problems.

Like I said, Conley on this team tonight and this game is a W. Jrue is in a 3rd tier right now not in Conley's class.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Mike Conley isn't worth his contract but the Grizz had no choice because no one is beating down the door to go to Memphis . We are in the exact same situation with Jrue. The Grizz couldn't have replaced Conley

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The situations are the same, but the caliber of players are not. It doesn't necessarily change our reality, but it could.


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Originally Posted by luckyman

Conley is putting up 20.5 points, 6.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 2.2 T/O and a PER of 23.

Jrue is at 15.6, 7.2, 1.6, 2.9 T/Os, and a PER of 17.30.

Conley's stat line is worth 20 mil. He's not part of their problems.

Like I said, Conley on this team tonight and this game is a W. Jrue is in a 3rd tier right now not in Conley's class.

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His average salary is 30.5m, starting at 26.5m this year and ending at 34.5m in 2020-2021 (when he's 33). He's a better player than Jrue, but he's not worth that much money. Memphis had to overpay, just like we're going to have to overpay Jrue.

Two words describe Jrue Holiday this season.................erratic and inconsistent. I would not bite the bullet and resign him.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

Mike Conley isn't worth his contract but the Grizz had no choice because no one is beating down the door to go to Memphis . We are in the exact same situation with Jrue. The Grizz couldn't have replaced Conley

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But unlike that Conley situation, who is going to offer Jrue more than $25m? We have gone over this a number of times, but like the cap situation this bears repeating, only 2-3 teams can offer Jrue the max, Philly, the Suns, and the Nets. Thats it. He can go get paid by them, or he can take what we offer him. I would hope that we have built up goodwill with him considering the things the team has been through, and if not, thats just sad.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

His average salary is 30.5m, starting at 26.5m this year and ending at 34.5m in 2020-2021 (when he's 33). He's a better player than Jrue, but he's not worth that much money. Memphis had to overpay, just like we're going to have to overpay Jrue.

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I'd "overpay" for what Conley brings. He is a legitimate 2nd tier point guard behind certified AS/HOF type players. And he's not far behind those type players. You can win a championship with him as the lead guard easily. You don't need as much "filler" role types behind or with him either.

Jrue on the other hand is nowhere close to that. At all. He is the filler role type.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I'd "overpay" for what Conley brings. He is a legitimate 2nd tier point guard behind certified AS/HOF type players. And he's not far behind those type players. You can win a championship with him as the lead guard easily. You don't need as much "filler" role types behind or with him either.

Jrue on the other hand is nowhere close to that. At all.

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I'm not sure why overpay is in quotations when he's the second highest paid player in the league this year (and has the most guaranteed money of any contract) and was the highest paid player in the league at the time he signed. It's safe to say he was overpaid. I agree, however, that the gap between him and Jrue is much more significant than people are letting on.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I'd "overpay" for what Conley brings. He is a legitimate 2nd tier point guard behind certified AS/HOF type players. And he's not far behind those type players. You can win a championship with him as the lead guard easily. You don't need as much "filler" role types behind or with him either.

Jrue on the other hand is nowhere close to that. At all.

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This conversation is mind blowing. We DONT want to pay him 25 mill to be the #1 ! So, how in the bejesus do we even entertain paying him even 20 mill to play a position he hasn't played since high school? If we are bringing him back to play the shooting #2- am I supposed to just toss 20 mill plus his way? Makes zero sense. 16 mill is TOP. If that.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

I'm not sure why overpay is in quotations when he's the second highest paid player in the league this year (and has the most guaranteed money of any contract) and was the highest paid player in the league at the time he signed. It's safe to say he was overpaid. I agree, however, that the gap between him and Jrue is much more significant than people are letting on.

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It's obvious his pay status in the league will evaporate rather quickly. Different caps, different CBA on the horizon.

Back to Jrue, when Dell made the trade for him, I explain why that wasn't a "win now" move many times. He was 23 and his game was expected to grow once he got here and continue to ascend. That has not happened. Maybe it was all the summers he spent injured and could only rehab instead of work on his game.

You take a player like Cousins or Westbrook, and since that same age they have grown their games each year. Jrue on the other hand, is basically the same player he was in Philly all those years ago. I didn't expect that and I'm sure Dell didn't. He explicitly said we had to be patient and let them grow.


The only ray of hope I say is this. This might be the first summer in 3 or 4 years where he can concentrate on being a better point guard and basketball player. No injury to rehab and hopefully no personal issues either.

You just have to question whether he has the will to get better. I personally think not. Mental toughness and a will to be great is something you either have or you dont.