Tyreke Evans

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Tyreke is not Rose.

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Yeah, from the limited body of work we've had available the past couple seasons for both of them, when he's on the court, he's better.

First thing to think about when moving Tyreke.

When has Dell ever dumped talent for nothing when he's trying to win..

Dell won't move Tyreke unless its for a significant player he can get not for a Tim Fraizer

Dell will not take on a contract with multiple season he wants that cap space.

Dell will not give a asset to move him.

Look how hesitant Dell was to move Ryan a player he knew he wouldn't keep and was in high demand. Keep listening to rumors as facts that we are trying to move him at all cost. Respect to the writer but the are bloggers who are hearing 3rd and 4th hand info. The only person who knows what they want to do is Dell and Ferry.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

Yeah, from the limited body of work we've had available the past couple seasons for both of them, when he's on the court, he's better.

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Rose is a 2x MVP that still sells tickets based off his name. He also is coming off a season where he played 66 games and Tyreke is coming off a season where he played 25, had yet another knee surgery, and is projected to only "possibly" be ready for training camp. We don't even know if he could pass a physical right now to even be traded.

If you want to sit here and believe at this moment that Tyreke and Rose have the same value then good luck with that. They aren't nearly the same situation.

And even if for some asinine reason we were to believe that they had the same value around the league, what exactly did Chicago get for Rose? Not an asset worth as much as WCS.

Seriously… how much do you think WCS is worth?!

Are you confusing Willie Cauley Stein with Karl Anthony Towns?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Rose is a 2x MVP that still sells tickets based off his name. He also is coming off a season where he played 66 games and Tyreke is coming off a season where he played 25, had yet another knee surgery, and is projected to only "possibly" be ready for training camp. We don't even know if he could pass a physical right now to even be traded.

If you want to sit here and believe at this moment that Tyreke and Rose have the same value then good luck with that. They aren't nearly the same situation.

And even if for some asinine reason we were to believe that they had the same value around the league, what exactly did Chicago get for Rose? Not an asset worth as much as WCS.

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This is also Tyreke's only major injury in his career, while Rose has had several. I would hardly call Tyreke an injury prone player, while Rose very much is. And again I would think that Tyreke's production, which is much greater and more impactful than Rose's, in combination with the fact that his salary is about half Rose's and that he doesn't come with nearly as much baggage as Rose does. So yes not only would I say that Reke has the same value around the league, names aside, he probably has greater. Chicago didn't get much for him, but this is the Kings we're talking about. They're not exactly great negotiators.

Only major injury? Lol. Now I know you're just trolling.

Have a good night.

Reke for Koufos. It will create us around two-three millions.
Send Ajinca somewhere for a 2nd rounder.
Use space to sign Frazier and TRob. For around 7 combined.

Dump Douglas and Luke.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Only major injury? Lol. Now I know you're just trolling.

Have a good night.

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That's not to say he has never been injured, but this is the first time he has ever missed more than half the games in a season, which is what I call a major injury. Call it trolling sure, means you don't have to respond to any of the other points.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

That's not to say he has never been injured, but this is the first time he has ever missed more than half the games in a season, which is what I call a major injury. Call it trolling sure, means you don't have to respond to any of the other points.

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Let's put it this way. How much are you willing to bet Tyreke alone cannot pull WCS? I'll match the amount and take your money when it doesn't happen. Because it won't.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Reke for Koufos. It will create us around two-three millions.
Send Ajinca somewhere for a 2nd rounder.
Use space to sign Frazier and TRob. For around 7 combined.

Dump Douglas and Luke.

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I'm a very big Koufos fan so I would love this.

I mean, I like Tyreke a lot more, but if we just plan on letting him walk, or we feel we have to move him to make space, I'd love to get koufos.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Seriously… how much do you think WCS is worth?!

Are you confusing Willie Cauley Stein with Karl Anthony Towns?

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As I've stated multiple times. He's worth more than Tyreke.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Let's put it this way. How much are you willing to bet Tyreke alone cannot pull WCS? I'll match the amount and take your money when it doesn't happen. Because it won't.

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If I were a GM and someone tried to trade me Tyreke for WCS I'd laugh and hang up, and I love Tyreke, but I think WCS is the next tyson chandler.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

If I were a GM and someone tried to trade me Tyreke for WCS I'd laugh and hang up, and I love Tyreke, but I think WCS is the next tyson chandler.

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I just don't understand how people still think Tyreke has that type of value when we've been trying to dump him for a week and still can't.

If we get any asset for him that's a major win. We don't even know if he can pass a physical right now.

If the Pelicans can trade Tyreke Evans away and not have to accept a negative asset in return that will be a victory.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Let's put it this way. How much are you willing to bet Tyreke alone cannot pull WCS? I'll match the amount and take your money when it doesn't happen. Because it won't.

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I honestly don't think it will happen either simply because it would be too perfect. I just believe that Reke has enough value to maybe pull in WCS (perhaps in conjunction with a first rounder idk). I think y'all are seriously underrating Reke, which is weird because I'm usually one of Reke's biggest haters.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

I honestly don't think it will happen either simply because it would be too perfect. I just believe that Reke has enough value to maybe pull in WCS (perhaps in conjunction with a first rounder idk). I think y'all are seriously underrating Reke, which is weird because I'm usually one of Reke's biggest haters.

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Expiring Tyreke coming off 3 surgeries and not yet ready to practice has no where near the value to get WCS. That is pure nonsense. No one is giving up a promising recent high lotto pick for a broke down Reke.

You have to look at teams that need help at both guard spots. I've identified Dallas, Sacramento, Miami, Atlanta and Brooklyn as the top 5 potential destinations for his value. I can't see Vlade trading away WCS though.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

If the Pelicans can trade Tyreke Evans away and not have to accept a negative asset in return that will be a victory.

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is player like Koufos a negative asset though

- he is 27
- he has 8,0 and 8,39 in next two years. With PO in 2018/19 (8,7)
- Reke is expiring.
- trade creates us 2,3 millions in cap space, but kills some of our flexibility
- but You might trade Ajinca for 2nd rounder to dump his salary (he is going to be paid for 3 years for 4,8-5,5 millions)
- You may even stretch Asik if You wish. But having C rotation of Asik-Koufos offers you something.

Divac has not traded Evans to NO. Vivek was not their owner at that time...
Center for 8 millions a year is kinda respected asset nowadays.

don't say that like it but don't see many Reke suitors.

Earlier I had Bulls (signed Wade and Rondo - they won't sign him), Cavs (were interested in the past), Nets (signed Lin and gave offer sheets to Crabbe and Johnson - maybe it depends on matching. if PTB and MIA match - than Marks might like Reke), Boston (to replace Turner?). Maybe Phila (cause expiring with upside might interest them) or OKC?

it is really really hard to predict...

We would have to atleast attach a protected first, if we were trying to trade Reke for WCS. Reke for Skal could be possible and I'd be thrilled with that deal.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

If the Pelicans can trade Tyreke Evans away and not have to accept a negative asset in return that will be a victory.

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Exactly. We won't get anything that we can use (player) for Tyreke. Any player we get would either be a salary dump that we'll buyout (or cut), or an end-of-the-bench guy that will never see the floor.

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Originally Posted by TPDG22

You have to look at teams that need help at both guard spots. I've identified Dallas, Sacramento, Miami, Atlanta and Brooklyn as the top 5 potential destinations for his value. I can't see Vlade trading away WCS though.

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Would be lucky to get Koufos or McLemore.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I just don't understand how people still think Tyreke has that type of value when we've been trying to dump him for a week and still can't.

If we get any asset for him that's a major win. We don't even know if he can pass a physical right now.

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Everyone who is pro-reke are looking at his numbers when he plays not how he fits. Unfortunately for those fans the people who really know basketball( other teams coaches and GMs) only see how he really fits so we are stuck with a negative asset.

Like you said rose sells tickets because he once was great so people hope he can return to that. Tyreke was never great. Stat sheet filler at times , but that's it.

Even with teams knowing that we don't want him, you'd think that Tyreke was somebody you could give away. He can help a team, it's just not a good fit here. Not encouraging seeing David post that just giving him away would be a victory - is that what you think, or what you are hearing? He's worth 'something' I just have no idea what in this environment

Tyreke and a top 3 protected 1st for WCS, do u do it?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tyreke and a top 3 protected 1st for WCS, do u do it?

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I really don't like the idea of giving up a 1st for WCS. Maybe if it's beyond 2017.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tyreke and a top 3 protected 1st for WCS, do u do it?

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No because we have Diallo... I would wait to see what he becomes

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

No because we have Diallo... I would wait to see what he becomes

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WCS would be playing the 5 here. Diallo is a project, I have high hopes but you don't risk not acquiring assets for a project.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tyreke and a top 3 protected 1st for WCS, do u do it?

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No way. I like WCS more than most who value him, but there's a good chance we're back in the lottery next year and that draft is supposed to be great. That pick would have to have much better protection than top 3.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tyreke and a top 3 protected 1st for WCS, do u do it?

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2017 1st? 200% no.

Pel will have top five picks next yr.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

WCS would be playing the 5 here. Diallo is a project, I have high hopes but you don't risk not acquiring assets for a project.

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I agree but we would be giving up a top 3 protected pick is why I said no.

Asik and top3 protected and deal done...
;)
Guys You wanna give up 2017th pick so easy?

WCS is not worth a future first round pick, IMO, unless it's lottery protected.

I love how uppity folks get when you ask a question. Just cause I say I'd love to get Willie Cauley Stein, doesn't mean you have to get all indignant in some of your responses. If you think he's unattainable just say so, and keep it moving.

I'm still trying to get a sense of what people think WCS is worth, and what Tyreke is worth.

The folks who are clearly biased against Tyreke think he's only worth a bag of Zaps, but I think he's worth more than Calderone and Dunleavy, so I doubt he really has negative value. He's a good player who just didn't fit Gentry's system. Without knowing his medicals and current status, I can't tell you how much of a concern his recent injuries are going forward. Chandler Parsons just got the max after having an experimental microfracture alternative.

A case can easily be made that at $10m Tyreke is great value for any team, if he's healthy. Find me a better option that's available on the market. With teams wanting to save cap space for next year, the fact that he's expiring should also be very appealing. Hell, I'm not opposed to the Pelicans keeping him if they don't have something else lined up to improve this team by replacing him.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

WCS is not worth a future first round pick, IMO, unless it's lottery protected.

I love how uppity folks get when you ask a question. Just cause I say I'd love to get Willie Cauley Stein, doesn't mean you have to get all indignant in some of your responses. If you think he's unattainable just say so, and keep it moving.

I'm still trying to get a sense of what people think WCS is worth, and what Tyreke is worth.

The folks who are clearly biased against Tyreke think he's only worth a bag of Zaps, but I think he's worth more than Calderone and Dunleavy, so I doubt he really has negative value. He's a good player who just didn't fit Gentry's system. Without knowing his medicals and current status, I can't tell you how much of a concern his recent injuries are going forward. Chandler Parsons just got the max after having an experimental microfracture alternative.

A case can easily be made that at $10m Tyreke is great value for any team, if he's healthy. Find me a better option that's available on the market. With teams wanting to save cap space for next year, the fact that he's expiring should also be very appealing. Hell, I'm not opposed to the Pelicans keeping him if they don't have something else lined up to improve this team by replacing him.

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You are a voice of reason.

That's the exact problem. He's not healthy. Of course if Tyreke had come off a season where he played 70 games and didn't have yet another knee surgery we could easily move him.

The problem is that's not the reality of the situation.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

WCS is not worth a future first round pick, IMO, unless it's lottery protected.

I love how uppity folks get when you ask a question. Just cause I say I'd love to get Willie Cauley Stein, doesn't mean you have to get all indignant in some of your responses. If you think he's unattainable just say so, and keep it moving.

I'm still trying to get a sense of what people think WCS is worth, and what Tyreke is worth.

The folks who are clearly biased against Tyreke think he's only worth a bag of Zaps, but I think he's worth more than Calderone and Dunleavy, so I doubt he really has negative value. He's a good player who just didn't fit Gentry's system. Without knowing his medicals and current status, I can't tell you how much of a concern his recent injuries are going forward. Chandler Parsons just got the max after having an experimental microfracture alternative.

A case can easily be made that at $10m Tyreke is great value for any team, if he's healthy. Find me a better option that's available on the market. With teams wanting to save cap space for next year, the fact that he's expiring should also be very appealing. Hell, I'm not opposed to the Pelicans keeping him if they don't have something else lined up to improve this team by replacing him.

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With Crabbes if the world on 20 mil, Dell's phone should be burning to get a contract of Reke's value.

If there were 2 years left it would be super valuable.

Too many tyreke haters in here. He may not fit our style of play but he is definitely worth something.

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Originally Posted by aas3452

Too many tyreke haters in here. He may not fit our style of play but he is definitely worth something.

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Why are they "haters" bc they have different opinions of the guy?

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Originally Posted by aas3452

Too many tyreke haters in here. He may not fit our style of play but he is definitely worth something.

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Healthy Tyreke... definitely.
3 surgeries in one season Tyreke? Not so much.

I'm not a hater. Just a realist.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That's the exact problem. He's not healthy. Of course if Tyreke had come off a season where he played 70 games and didn't have yet another knee surgery we could easily move him.

The problem is that's not the reality of the situation.

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How do you know this?!? Do you know when he'll be healthy? Have you talked to his doctors and trainers?

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Healthy Tyreke... definitely.
3 surgeries in one season Tyreke? Not so much.

I'm not a hater. Just a realist.

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I'm not even a Tyreke fan, I just think yall are acting like Chandler Parsons didn't just sign a max contract and he didn't finish the season. Do we know definitively what his health status is and whether he can pass a physical? Do we know if he'll be healthy by November? If the answer is we don't know, it's possible that medical professionals could have a better idea.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

How do you know this?!? Do you know when he'll be healthy? Have you talked to his doctors and trainers?

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What the hell are you talking about? He's not healthy because he just played only 25 games this season, had his 3rd knee surgery in 13 months, and his time table released by the team had him as being ready around training camp time (and it's not training camp).

This isn't rocket science.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

What the hell are you talking about? He's not healthy because he just played only 25 games this season, had his 3rd knee surgery in 13 months, and his time table released by the team had him as being ready around training camp time (and it's not training camp).

This isn't rocket science.

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You're an angry man. I get that. This is supposed to be fun. Relax.

Do you know the long term severity of any of his knee injuries? Is the prognosis for Tyreke's health better or worse than Parsons? Is it better than Chris Paul's was following his multiple knee surgeries while he was in NOLA? Will his knee require more long term monitoring than Curry's ankles, Durant's foot, or Chris Dunn's shoulder?

This isn't rocket science, indeed. But it is something, like rocket science, that you are equally unqualified to discuss in the absolute way you keep opining on!

If a team's doctors can confirm that Tyreke should be ready by training camp, I think you're overstating and being hyperbolic about his injury concerns. He's 26. He's a vet. You think a team trading for him needs him to be ready for Summer League?!? Some teams won't care as long as he's healthy by Christmas.

But I guess I'll defer to your intimate knowledge of all things that you convey to everyone in such a nice and non condicending way.

Yup.

None of what you said is relevant to trading Tyreke right now at all.

I'm not angry. I'm baffled at how people are sitting here trying to say Tyreke has any trade value when every single thing that has happened over this off season has pointed to the exact opposite of that.

When the argument to defend Tyreke's value consists of, "how do we know he's not healthy?!?!" that's when you know there is no argument. It's just ludicrous. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

None of what you said is relevant to trading Tyreke right now at all.

I'm not angry. I'm baffled at how people are sitting here trying to say Tyreke has any trade value when every single thing that has happened over this off season has pointed to the exact opposite of that.

When the argument to defend Tyreke's value consists of, "how do we know he's not healthy?!?!" that's when you know there is no argument. It's just ludicrous. Lol.

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So you are telling i'm not getting that back of BBQ chips for Tyreke [emoji25]

Dell will turn Reke's into a capable back up 4, just you watch

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

So you are telling i'm not getting that back of BBQ chips for Tyreke [emoji25]

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If you promise to share the bag then maybe we can work something out.

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

Dell will turn Reke's into a capable back up 4, just you watch

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No one would be happier than me if we could pull this off.

clearly our collective posters are having an impossible time crowd sourcing the real value of Tyreke, partly due to nobody having any idea (it seems) if he can pass a physical right now, and partly due to the wide variety of opinions of his game when he is healthy. But if he can pass that physical, and we are limited to basically trying to swap our bad fit for somebody else's bad fit - is the idea in Oleh's recent article about Monroe even work under the cap? I know on the trade machine it works, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. If we send out Tyreke and Alexis where does that leave our cap situation?

I'm not asking if people like the idea (even though personally I do) - I am asking if this works financially and where does it leave us? Because if this is not the trade we make, it will likely be something like this, our bad fit for somebody else's bad fit, and then it's just a matter of plugging in other salaries instead of Monroe's to see where we would be, and what cash we'd have left, if any. I liked Fisher's idea of Leonard as well, but don't see how the $s work on that either. (oh to have drafted him instead of Austin...)

The problem with the Monroe for Tyreke + Ajinca deal is it leaves us with even less cap room at a time when we are trying to shed cap space. That trade in a vacuum would make it impossible for us to sign Galloway. Tyreke + Asik would be possible and would clear enough cap space that we wouldn't need to release Douglas, Babbitt, and Frazier.

Not commenting on the probability of these trades, just strictly talking about the numbers.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

None of what you said is relevant to trading Tyreke right now at all.

I'm not angry. I'm baffled at how people are sitting here trying to say Tyreke has any trade value when every single thing that has happened over this off season has pointed to the exact opposite of that.

When the argument to defend Tyreke's value consists of, "how do we know he's not healthy?!?!" that's when you know there is no argument. It's just ludicrous. Lol.

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I think you misunderstand the argument. The argument isn't centered around your lack of real inside info concerning Tyreke's knees, but rather the relative value of Tyreke to team's that would be able to attain intimate knowledge of the long term prognosis for his health and have their own timetable for when they'd need Tyreke to contribute, which isn't immediately for any team.

Whether he's healthy right now is irrelevant. Any doctor employed by a team (except for the Pelicans apparently) can look at a players medical history and perform an exam to determine whether a player is expected to be fully recovered according to the team's timetable or if there are severe risk involved with acquiring the player.

But you just go ahead and continue to think this is ludicrous and call it rocket science.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I think you misunderstand the argument. The argument isn't centered around your lack of real inside info concerning Tyreke's knees, but rather the relative value of Tyreke to team's that would be able to attain intimate knowledge of the long term prognosis for his health and have their own timetable for when they'd need Tyreke to contribute, which isn't immediately for any team.

Whether he's healthy right now is irrelevant. Any doctor employed by a team (except for the Pelicans apparently) can look at a players medical history and perform an exam to determine whether a player is expected to be fully recovered according to the team's timetable or if there are severe risk involved with acquiring the player.

But you just go ahead and continue to think this is ludicrous and call it rocket science.

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So what exactly is your point? That a team will view Tyreke has having value because you believe their doctors can make an educated guess about the future of his knee and said team will trade tangible assets for Tyreke because of this projection?

Ok. Lol. Let's see if Tyreke can pull WCS on his own then.