Draft Prospects Discussion

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Coach's son, 1st in the gym and last out, scrappy, hustle guy?

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Are we talking about a white guy?

I can imagine Hield not being able to get open. He's not a great athlete by any stretch and his lack of size, though above average length, doesn't show good prospects for him defensively.

6'4.5" with a 6'9 wingspans is plenty enough size for the SG spot offensively and defensively. He mite not be a great athlete but he is a good one. I don't think he will have a problem at all getting open in the NBA. Just watch him work in college and the guy literally does not stop like Rip Hamilton use to play. He's constantly moving to create space for himself. He has made it a lot harder on himself the get open because he is so good. Defenders are literally told not to look away from him and keep a body in his fave at all times. He doesn't have the luxury like most to have a guy give him a little space. I think he has had plenty of training on getting open for himself. I think Hield is a very similiar player to Beal. Some want to throw out he mite be like Jimmer but I don't see it. Not saying he can't fail but Jimmer took every shot with the team revolving around him. Wasn't a very good off ball player and brought nothing else to the game but scoring with the ball in his hands at all times.

They need to start making the college game similiar to the NBA. Especially the 3 point like so we can get a much better idea of how their shot will translate. I think a big reason why so many players bust and especially big men is because of the drastic differences. It really makes no sense to not adapt to most of the NBA rules which has made the game so much better. Giving guys like Simmons that 3 point space would make him even more dominant. I think how crowded the 3 line makes things it takes a lot away from so many great players not allowing them to use their skill set to the max.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Don't know where you can get that from? What do you not like about his game? Kid just turned 18 and has just about everything you want in a player. Shooting 42% from 3pt after missing near everyone of his first 25 3pointers taken is crazy much less a newly 18 year old freshman. Dunn is on tv so little so I don't know how you can believe he is this can't miss prospect while Ingram has bust written all over him. Besides reading some stuff I don't know where you get that from. I'm a Duke fan and this kid is the real deal. He is a very similiar player to Paul George with his skill set and play style. Outside of Simmons being an amazing gifted passer Ingram is right there with him in near everything. His shooting is far superior while he has one of the best strokes in college basketball. If you think Simmons is scary and Ingram is going to be a bust I honestly don't know what you are watching and if that's the case the rest of the draft should make you terrified.

I have seen you say he is not Durant because he can't shoot it like him and that's false. He is shooting the 3 better on almost the exact amount of shots per game. He started off slow to the season which he has completely come out of that slump and been dominating. Shooting like 43% from 3 after missing his first 25 and averaging around 22 ppg. He is a better defender then Durant also which is to be taken into account. Durant was a better rebounder then him and shooting was near equal. Not much seperates those guys when coming out. I'm not saying he is going to be as good as Durant but he has every bit of talent and an amazing skill set to be as good if not better. He has PG13 written all over him. Just turned 18 years old!

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I have watched plenty duke games as well and im not saying he does not have potential, im just not buying his hype. Him and Simmons and a bunch of these new guys are all lacking that "killer personality", outside of their percentage efficiency and potential. He is no where good and dominant as Durant was in college who averaged more and impacted his team more. Garret Grayson is Duke most impactful player. Simmons is super talented, but we have plenty of super talents in the NBA, but not enough winners.

The Pelicans identity has been in play since CP3 years ended, and our culture lack winners and true leaders who care only about winning. Even Chris Weber last night said on NBA tv that our team shows low iq and no will to win based on the low touches AD got last night.

This draft has alot of boom or bust material but if im drafting im going with legit killers on the court. Screw the quiet boy, nice guy acts. Im sick of it. I wish we had a Lillard or Westbrook in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I have watched plenty duke games as well and im not saying he does not have potential, im just not buying his hype. Him and Simmons and a bunch of these new guys are all lacking that "killer personality", outside of their percentage efficiency and potential. He is no where good and dominant as Durant was in college who averaged more and impacted his team more. Garret Grayson is Duke most impactful player. Simmons is super talented, but we have plenty of super talents in the NBA, but not enough winners.

The Pelicans identity has been in play since CP3 years ended, and our culture lack winners and true leaders who care only about winning. Even Chris Weber last night said on NBA tv that our team shows low iq and no will to win based on the low touches AD got last night.

This draft has alot of boom or bust material but if im drafting im going with legit killers on the court. Screw the quiet boy, nice guy acts. Im sick of it. I wish we had a Lillard or Westbrook in New Orleans.

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Go look at Grayson Allen as a sophomore. Also he is about 3 years older then Ingram who is I believe the youngest player in the draft. Saying Allen is the most impactful player on Dukes team is false. Anyway Allen is playing as well as almost anybody in college basketball and if you put Dunn on the same team guess what? Allen is the most impactful player over him. Having a winning team in college has nothing to do with how you will transition to the NBA winning. Ingram is deinfitely near as good as Durant was. He mite not be as good but so what does that mean? Saying he is not near the level of Durant just shows you watch very little of Duke and listened to what some reporters and write ups said about his play at the beginning of the year.

The whole we need a loud player is one of the most over rated things in all of sports. Who has been the Spurs loud player for their championships? Man I guess it would really kill us to have someone like Leonard and Duncan lol. Yea sure it's great to have someone that shows fire but it's also doesn't matter to have guys that don't show it. What has that fire gotten Westbrook or Lillard? Westbrook couldn't beat out AD for the playoffs when Durant went down. Durant not having fire doesn't seem to hurt him. Using their demeanor as a grade on their play is a very very poor argument. Have not said anything about their games. I don't understand how Simmons and Ingram can't be considered winners because of their quiet nice guy acts.

Another option is a draft day trade for Dario Saric. He is a point forward. Seems like a more well rounded SF version of Ryan Anderson. If Dunn is off tbe board at 6 or 7 I would be fine moving the pick for Saric. Dell liked him a few years ago and I think he is going to be very successful. Jrue/BDJ/Saric/AD/Asik could be formidable.

Oh and he is only 21. Check out his 2015 highlights.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Go look at Grayson Allen as a sophomore. Also he is about 3 years older then Ingram who is I believe the youngest player in the draft. Saying Allen is the most impactful player on Dukes team is false. Anyway Allen is playing as well as almost anybody in college basketball and if you put Dunn on the same team guess what? Allen is the most impactful player over him. Having a winning team in college has nothing to do with how you will transition to the NBA winning. Ingram is deinfitely near as good as Durant was. He mite not be as good but so what does that mean? Saying he is not near the level of Durant just shows you watch very little of Duke and listened to what some reporters and write ups said about his play at the beginning of the year.

The whole we need a loud player is one of the most over rated things in all of sports. Who has been the Spurs loud player for their championships? Man I guess it would really kill us to have someone like Leonard and Duncan lol. Yea sure it's great to have someone that shows fire but it's also doesn't matter to have guys that don't show it. What has that fire gotten Westbrook or Lillard? Westbrook couldn't beat out AD for the playoffs when Durant went down. Durant not having fire doesn't seem to hurt him. Using their demeanor as a grade on their play is a very very poor argument. Have not said anything about their games. I don't understand how Simmons and Ingram can't be considered winners because of their quiet nice guy acts.

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Your are so wrong its unbelievable lol Im at work right now so i cant text essays to respond to you, but just know im one of the few people who rarely pay attention to reporters say. This is all from eye test. And the Spurs culture is a winning one for over 20 years so thats a bad example. I hate when people give hyperbole examples like us tanking this season turning into "76ers" style or some other bull lol.

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Another option is a draft day trade for Dario Saric. He is a point forward. Seems like a more well rounded SF version of Ryan Anderson. If Dunn is off tbe board at 6 or 7 I would be fine moving the pick for Saric. Dell liked him a few years ago and I think he is going to be very successful. Jrue/BDJ/Saric/AD/Asik could be formidable.

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I wouldn't mind seeing a trade down for him and another pick the 76ers have late. The Birdwrites has a good article about trading down that I like as well.

If Gentry is sticking around, the worry of Hield not getting open wouldn't really be an issue would it? Hasn't the new system increased our open shots, we just aren't hitting. If anything he should excel in it with his movement.

I'm not worried at all about this ability to get open. I just could see that specifically being something he could struggle with. Playing the game isn't an issue though. He plays smart basketball and has good instincts.

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Another option is a draft day trade for Dario Saric. He is a point forward. Seems like a more well rounded SF version of Ryan Anderson. If Dunn is off tbe board at 6 or 7 I would be fine moving the pick for Saric. Dell liked him a few years ago and I think he is going to be very successful. Jrue/BDJ/Saric/AD/Asik could be formidable.

Oh and he is only 21. Check out his 2015 highlights.

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Has his foot skills to defend SF's of the NBA improved?
He is still a PF when it comes to that side of the floor.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Your are so wrong its unbelievable lol Im at work right now so i cant text essays to respond to you, but just know im one of the few people who rarely pay attention to reporters say. This is all from eye test. And the Spurs culture is a winning one for over 20 years so thats a bad example. I hate when people give hyperbole examples like us tanking this season turning into "76ers" style or some other bull lol.

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Doesn't matter how long the Spurs have won for. They have continually won with those types of players. Saying we need somebody who high steps and bumps their chest after every made basket to be great is absurd. Like I said go watch just as many players who don't do that and are just as good. Saying Ingram and Simmons don't have a winning mentality because they don't find the need to dance or yell is such a poor argument. Keep believing that if you want but plenty of thing to back up why that is absurd and nothing to back up how that makes any difference what so ever.

I think of Championship teams, and all of them had an Alpha dog. The Spurs have Pops serving in that role. Here we have a great player, but Reke was more the Alpha (when healthy) than AD. AD doesn't have to be the Alpha (thought it would be nice), but we need a guy who is going to chap some asses if things aren't going well. If that is Dunn's selling point, make it so. If Simmons is there I would take him, but I am still hoping that we have an Alpha while AD and Simmons are looking to use their voice. I believe that was what was being mentioned earlier when a poster mentioned Johnny Jones and Simmons. Jones is a coach, but he isn't respected (and why should he), and maybe it has to do with not knowing his place, but Simmons has had a few disappearing acts this season, disappearing acts that have caused people to question wether Ingram wouldn't be the 1st overall pick.

Lol yea having someone chap ***** results in championship wins. Every coach chaps ***** so Pop is no different. Using him as their Alpha is just an excuse because no player is there to back up the argument. Most over rated thing is needing some loud player like Westbrook to win or mean you have a winning desire. Some of the greatest players of all time didn't act this way so it's a poor and very ridiculous argument.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Lol yea having someone chap ***** results in championship wins. Every coach chaps ***** so Pop is no different. Using him as their Alpha is just an excuse because no player is there to back up the argument. Most over rated thing is needing some loud player like Westbrook to win or mean you have a winning desire. Some of the greatest players of all time didn't act this way so it's a poor and very ridiculous argument.

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That is your opinion, and I will leave you to it, but every title team has had an alpha dog on it, and besides the Spurswith PopsI can't think of a team that didn't.

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That is your opinion, and I will leave you to it, but every title team has had an alpha dog on it, and besides the Spurswith PopsI can't think of a team that didn't.

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Even the Spurs....While not a "stat box filler" Robert Horry was that guy...Remember when he put Nash into the scoring table? That had mean streak written all over it...And never forget Bruce Bowen... That guy would trash talk, bump, push, pull shorts/jerseys....Even the Spurs had their share of loudmouths.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Doesn't matter how long the Spurs have won for. They have continually won with those types of players. Saying we need somebody who high steps and bumps their chest after every made basket to be great is absurd. Like I said go watch just as many players who don't do that and are just as good. Saying Ingram and Simmons don't have a winning mentality because they don't find the need to dance or yell is such a poor argument. Keep believing that if you want but plenty of thing to back up why that is absurd and nothing to back up how that makes any difference what so ever.

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I won't respond. Not that I can't, I just don't feel like it. Oops just responded ;) lol but nah man I won't catch feelings at your tone, my day has been hell so I won't type from a high emotional standpoint and make an ****** out of myself, all I will say is that I disagree with you and agree with the poster who spoke about the alpha dog. If that's better wording then that's what I meant.

Lol catch feelings at my tone? Don't know where you get the from but gotchea. Saying a player needs to be loud and dance to be an "alpha" is absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely nothing to back that up while I can point out alpha after alpha who doesn't act the same way as Westbrook and Lebron. Nothing makes those guys any better because they decide to express themselves over a player who doesn't.

I really hope AD adds the stanky leg to his arsenal running up the court after he scores a basket. Until he adds that to his skill set he simply will not be an alpha. If Simmons and Ingram can just add the quan or the John Wall to their skill set then they will be the alphas and winners this team needs. If Dunn could just add the duggie to his repertoire he would easily be the clear #1 pick. That's only if Simmons and Ingram don't add one of the above to their game because if they do it's over for the rest of the NBA. Another thing is they must add a Tarzan scream. This is needed for everybody's game and without it they will not be a winner.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I really hope AD adds the stanky leg to his arsenal running up the court after he scores a basket. Until he adds that to his skill set he simply will not be an alpha. If Simmons and Ingram can just add the quan or the John Wall to their skill set then they will be the alphas and winners this team needs. If Dunn could just add the duggie to his repertoire he would easily be the clear #1 pick. That's only if Simmons and Ingram don't add one of the above to their game because if they do it's over for the rest of the NBA. Another thing is they must add a Tarzan scream. This is needed for everybody's game and without it they will not be a winner.

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Lol there you go being so hyperbole again. Why you doing that Stewie?

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Lol catch feelings at my tone? Don't know where you get the from but gotchea. Saying a player needs to be loud and dance to be an "alpha" is absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely nothing to back that up while I can point out alpha after alpha who doesn't act the same way as Westbrook and Lebron. Nothing makes those guys any better because they decide to express themselves over a player who doesn't.

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Nobody is saying they have to dance or anything like that to be an alpha except for you. It has everything to do with their attitude, how they approach the game, and their fellow teammates. Anyone who has followed AD at all, read Q and As with him, watched him, etc, can tell that he does not have that attitude. It's no knock on him, he just doesn't. He's still very young, and might yet develop it, but right now it isn't within him to lead this team firmly and consistently, and take charge when necessary, and a team cannot win without a player who can do that on and off the court.

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Originally Posted by frankatank109

Nobody is saying they have to dance or anything like that to be an alpha except for you. It has everything to do with their attitude, how they approach the game, and their fellow teammates. Anyone who has followed AD at all, read Q and As with him, watched him, etc, can tell that he does not have that attitude. It's no knock on him, he just doesn't. He's still very young, and might yet develop it, but right now it isn't within him to lead this team firmly and consistently, and take charge when necessary, and a team cannot win without a player who can do that on and off the court.

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That is exactly what people are saying? Simmons and Ingram can't be winners because they play the nice guy bs. Somehow Westbrook is some "alpha" though when that's not true if it's how he reacts with teammates. Besides when it is Westbrook making a dunk or some other play to celebrate he is one of the quieter and more kept to himself players out there. If AD all the sudden started screaming after made shots and beating his chest we aren't having this conversation from some and that's crazy. You don't have to do those things or act the way you are trying to say to be an alpha or a winner. That is so false it's not even funny. How far did any of that get Kevin Garnett before he joined a couple HOFs? Nowhere and the list goes on and on. None of that stuff makes anybody more of an alpha then Leonard, Durant, Dunan, and many others that I could keep listing. Lol some how Reke is more alpha then AD?! What kind of joke is that? How because he gets mad when he doesn't make one of his dumb layups or looks like he says something to a player. Does anybody ever actually listen to these players when miced up and hear what they are saying half the time is meaningless when it mite look like it from the camera. AD talks all game you just don't see it in his expression. Go sit courtside and tell me he doesn't talk all game long because he definitely does. This whole one guy isn't an alpha because he lost to the Sixers and isn't consistent after scoring 59 is just ridiculous. Go up above and look how it is basically said Simmons and Ingram can't be winners. It has everything to do with playing the nice guy role and not being expressive.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

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That is exactly what people are saying? Simmons and Ingram can't be winners because they play the nice guy bs. Somehow Westbrook is some "alpha" though when that's not true if it's how he reacts with teammates. Besides when it is Westbrook making a dunk or some other play to celebrate he is one of the quieter and more kept to himself players out there. If AD all the sudden started screaming after made shots and beating his chest we aren't having this conversation from some and that's crazy. You don't have to do those things or act the way you are trying to say to be an alpha or a winner. That is so false it's not even funny. How far did any of that get Kevin Garnett before he joined a couple HOFs? Nowhere and the list goes on and on. None of that stuff makes anybody more of an alpha then Leonard, Durant, Dunan, and many others that I could keep listing. Lol some how Reke is more alpha then AD?! What kind of joke is that? How because he gets mad when he doesn't make one of his dumb layups or looks like he says something to a player. Does anybody ever actually listen to these players when miced up and hear what they are saying half the time is meaningless when it mite look like it from the camera. AD talks all game you just don't see it in his expression. Go sit courtside and tell me he doesn't talk all game long because he definitely does. This whole one guy isn't an alpha because he lost to the Sixers and isn't consistent after scoring 59 is just ridiculous. Go up above and look how it is basically said Simmons and Ingram can't be winners. It has everything to do with playing the nice guy role and not being expressive.

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Since you want to play hyperbole, would Kevin Durant ever allow his team to miss the tourney due to not taking over when his number is called vs Simmons in LSU who may be the first player drafted #1 overall in the last 40 years to not make the Tourney? Would MJ allow his team to lose to games and not ask for the last shot instead deferring to Grayson Allen?


Am I doing your hyperbole thing right???

Like any group, the Pels have multiple personalities on the team . It's media hype about you have to beat your chest or play a certain position to lead. Who is the team leader? Last year, there was leadership. Was this leadership generated Monty or the team dynamics changed among players from last year. I noticed, when Monty's wife passed, three named players plus others attended her funeral. Does that even mean anything about last season's leadership ?

I honestly think Qpon was a big voice/leader for us last year. Everything changed once we got him.

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I honestly think Qpon was a big voice/leader for us last year. Everything changed once we got him.

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True. It's not the best guy on the court that has to be the voice, just somebody has to be the voice. I remember reading years ago how Eric Snow wasn't a great player, but what kept him in the league was he was a voice that people listened to. Sometimes in a sport where commercialization is king, the guy who doesn't have a commercial endorsement has to be the one with the voice.

Alpha Dog refers to simply a winner at all situations for the team. Someone to lead by example and do whatever it takes to make sure there team is winning, or inspiring his/her troops to never give up nor suffer defeat. An Alpha Dog represents team spirit and soul. They carry grit, determination, and a "lead dog" instinct to take over or set up guys for all of the position of winning.

Ingram and Simmons may have that someday, but for a team like that Pels who haven't had a player like that since CP3 who exemplify the traits of an Alpha, a true leader, then that would be my concern. AD may be there some day, I see flashes, but he is still young and not there yet. Give me a Kris Dunn, Demetrius Jackson, Denzel Valentine, Buddy Helid type to assist him. But I would welcome Simmons or Ingram talents.


Btw Curry, Westbrook, Durant, etc. ALL showed potential of becoming the Alpha even in college, and they weren't screaming and dancing so I don't know why your so stuck on keep typing that.

And also keep in mind I'm only speaking from a perspective of us not getting the 1st or second pick. I'm not saying I prefer those guards I mentioned in my previous post over the two best talnets in the draft, I'm just not expecting us to get them. LA is destined to get Simmons by all means necessary ;) ;). And Philly or Boston will snab Simmons. So the rest would leave the Pels to either trade their pick or choose a guy that slides into their lap ala Miley Cyrus.

Can we start a different thread called arguing over what an alpha dog is and get this thread back on track.


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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Can we start a different thread called arguing over what an alpha dog is and get this thread back on track.


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Isn't that (the Alpha dog) discussion part of the draft discussion? We are mentioning Dunn having it, while Ingram and Simmons don't.

For the record, the Alpha in Miami wasn't Lebron, it was DWade. He was the one that got the guys to come down. He was the one picking fights with Danny Granger when Granger would step up to Lebron. He was the guy who demanded things from everyone.

I am warming up to the idea of Jakob Poeltl as our pick should all other sexy options be gone. Against top prospects Chriss (Washington), Rabb (Cal), and Jefferson (Duke) Jakob is putting up a solid 22/10/1.8...and college basketball isn't even a big mans game. The guy runs well, and is very athletic. If he is there, I like him.

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Like any group, the Pels have multiple personalities on the team . It's media hype about you have to beat your chest or play a certain position to lead. Who is the team leader? Last year, there was leadership. Was this leadership generated Monty or the team dynamics changed among players from last year. I noticed, when Monty's wife passed, three named players plus others attended her funeral. Does that even mean anything about last season's leadership ?

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Who is the one or two guys on this team that holds players accountable when we lose or is struggling on the court? I'll wait.

[QUOTE=Silverfoxx;1362431]Who is the one or two guys on this team that holds players accountable when we lose or is struggling on the court? I'll

During an interview with Advocate after being blown out, EG stated no one is being held accountable. Perk was signed to be the so-called alpha dog. As Perk stated "I was not brought here for this!!!! Never believed Evans was the leader on court. I have zero doubt he's the social leader.
I think fans believe there is a direct correlation between vocal and leadership. Players lead by their unselfish play. When there is the lack or leadership in the wrong, it is Gentry's role to lead and hold players accountable.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Since you want to play hyperbole, would Kevin Durant ever allow his team to miss the tourney due to not taking over when his number is called vs Simmons in LSU who may be the first player drafted #1 overall in the last 40 years to not make the Tourney? Would MJ allow his team to lose to games and not ask for the last shot instead deferring to Grayson Allen?


Am I doing your hyperbole thing right???

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Durant is exactly what you are not calling an "alpha" lol! Your whole argument is so flawed. You are completely ignoring what Simmons has around him and everything else that goes into winning games. Keep believing in basketball one star who is an "alpha" because he can yell and beat his chest will win it all. Man having Allen take the last shot at times really is so terrible isn't it. I forget again this is a one man sport.. MJ never deferrd to Kerr for one of the biggest moments in his career did he? I guess Lebron isn't an alpha either for deferring. Go on with your ridiculous argument and you know it is. Pure media hype watching ESPN making this seem like it's a leader quality.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Alpha Dog refers to simply a winner at all situations for the team. Someone to lead by example and do whatever it takes to make sure there team is winning, or inspiring his/her troops to never give up nor suffer defeat. An Alpha Dog represents team spirit and soul. They carry grit, determination, and a "lead dog" instinct to take over or set up guys for all of the position of winning.

Ingram and Simmons may have that someday, but for a team like that Pels who haven't had a player like that since CP3 who exemplify the traits of an Alpha, a true leader, then that would be my concern. AD may be there some day, I see flashes, but he is still young and not there yet. Give me a Kris Dunn, Demetrius Jackson, Denzel Valentine, Buddy Helid type to assist him. But I would welcome Simmons or Ingram talents.


Btw Curry, Westbrook, Durant, etc. ALL showed potential of becoming the Alpha even in college, and they weren't screaming and dancing so I don't know why your so stuck on keep typing that.

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Durant and Curry do nothing you say of except win. How is having a very good team and being the best player have anything to do with being some alpha winner? Who was our alpha last year? People saying QPon changed everything yea because he was the 1st average to above average SF we have had in years. Go read what you posted and you are basically back tracking on what an alpha was to you because you realized how ridiculous it was.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

And also keep in mind I'm only speaking from a perspective of us not getting the 1st or second pick. I'm not saying I prefer those guards I mentioned in my previous post over the two best talnets in the draft, I'm just not expecting us to get them. LA is destined to get Simmons by all means necessary ;) ;). And Philly or Boston will snab Simmons. So the rest would leave the Pels to either trade their pick or choose a guy that slides into their lap ala Miley Cyrus.

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No not what you said at all. Go read again if you can't remember. It was Simmons and Ingram are not winners because they aren't alphas. Your tired of the nice guy bs and want someone who can be an alpha lol.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-bask...caa-tournament

Wouldn't mind getting Jakob Poeltl. This dude is an absolute beast and is going to be a star in the NBA. I don't want to draft a C but I definitely wouldn't hate the pick. I'm not a Knicks fan but wish they had a pick in the top 10 so they could grab this kid. Would be awesome to see Poeltl and Porzingis play together. I like seeing teams in the NBA be competitive and it would make the East tougher. Whoever gets this kid is going to get a damn good old school C and I wouldn't complain if it was us.

I would love to grab Demetrius Jackson if Kris Dunn is not available. Dude is a Eric Bledsoe clone.

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I would love to grab Demetrius Jackson if Kris Dunn is not available. Dude is a Eric Bledsoe clone.

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I like him to. But iw would suck to not fill a missing spot on our starting 5 with the pick. It'd be hard for me to pick out of him and Melo. Id go with Melo

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Alpha Dog refers to simply a winner at all situations for the team. Someone to lead by example and do whatever it takes to make sure there team is winning, or inspiring his/her troops to never give up nor suffer defeat. An Alpha Dog represents team spirit and soul. They carry grit, determination, and a "lead dog" instinct to take over or set up guys for all of the position of winning.

Ingram and Simmons may have that someday, but for a team like that Pels who haven't had a player like that since CP3 who exemplify the traits of an Alpha, a true leader, then that would be my concern. AD may be there some day, I see flashes, but he is still young and not there yet. Give me a Kris Dunn, Demetrius Jackson, Denzel Valentine, Buddy Helid type to assist him. But I would welcome Simmons or Ingram talents.


Btw Curry, Westbrook, Durant, etc. ALL showed potential of becoming the Alpha even in college, and they weren't screaming and dancing so I don't know why your so stuck on keep typing that.

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How many of these guys had those qualities in their freshmen year?

Malik Beasley anyone? Kid has very nice size and athleticism.

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I like him to. But iw would suck to not fill a missing spot on our starting 5 with the pick. It'd be hard for me to pick out of him and Melo. Id go with Melo

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Demetrius Jackson is so much better then Melo Tremble, honestly Melo is ranked number 7 for pgs for me. Tyler Unis is not getting any love when I believe he is special as well. Dude IQ is off the charts.

I'm leaning on the 2 and 3 being our worst spots and the most bang for the buck that would instantly start. BDJ being an example of a decent player but thrown into starting. I'm assuming we won't pick very high so I'm about grabbing a couple wings. Valentine doesn't give me the upside I personally want but won't hurt. I'm gonna grab Luwawa and Bacon by maybe trading Reke for a late pick. I think between them two and Qpon they can hold down the 2 and 3 spots and I'm still grabbing one in FA. My 2 second rounders are PG and C and I still want Shawn Long from UL Lafayette but could be an undrafted guy

Holiday, Payton 3rd
Qpon, Bacon, BDJ
Batum(cause after trading reke we can come close to affording him), Luwawa
Davis, Ryno (last to sign with bird rights), Long
Asik, Ajinca, Perkins, Hammond

It's my fantasy at least but I think is possible.

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Demetrius Jackson is so much better then Melo Tremble, honestly Melo is ranked number 7 for pgs for me. Tyler Unis is not getting any love when I believe he is special as well. Dude IQ is off the charts.

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somebody is going to get a very good player with Jackson....

The more I look at Jackson the more he becomes 1b to Dunn 1a. Dunn is pretty turnover prone and is a streaker shooter, but his upside is off the charts. Jackson IMO is more athletic and more of a better shooter. But Dunn is a better passser.

Man Hield is looking good. He just threw an oop I could just imagine AD on the other end of it.

He has the scoring/motor/leadership we need on this team.


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Originally Posted by JrueDat

Man Hield is looking good. He just threw an oop I could just imagine AD on the other end of it.

He has the scoring/motor/leadership we need on this team.


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What channel?

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CBS He is #24


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