In Defense of Monty - A Theory

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

and he had the worst record during our CP3 playoff run here.

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Yea I'll never forget that game 7 vs the spurs in the 2nd rd. dam that felt great man. I just want a bonafide playoff contender man. The nba playoffs are intense!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I just don't think a Coach is going to sway the tide, and it's pathetic to go begging to be in the ASG or to have one of your players be in the ASG. I think he gets pick anyway because it's in New Orleans.

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Who is begging? Again I think some of us are just confused as to why he wouldn't try to help his player, or anything. Nothing to do with thinking he will sway the tide.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

and he had the worst record during our CP3 playoff run here.

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You mean when Monty had Omeka instead of Chandler and Carl Landry instead of David West (Because of injury). Ah okay. cool.

I think Monty could of said something along the lines of ",yea Anthony has def an all star type of year but I don't decide if he goes or not we can leave that up to the other coaches" just something promoting his guy. But I'm not upset he didn't. Doesn't really matter anyway.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Who is begging? Again I think some of us are just confused as to why he wouldn't try to help his player, or anything. Nothing to do with thinking he will sway the tide.

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HOW DOES IT HELP?!?!!? Seriously... lol

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Yea I'll never forget that game 7 vs the spurs in the 2nd rd. dam that felt great man. I just want a bonafide playoff contender man. The nba playoffs are intense!!!!!

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Jannero fn Pargo.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

HOW DOES IT HELP?!?!!? Seriously... lol

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How does it hurt, seriously? And again for the 3rd or 4th time now, no one cares if it would or would not help, it's the fact that he wouldn't try.

Even Zach Lowe see this teams schemes are a mess and it come from coaching not players stop giving that man excuses

@theharryshearer Yup. Lots of things, on both ends, need some re-designing. Also: what an honor getting a tweet question from you.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) January 22, 2014

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

You mean when Monty had Omeka instead of Chandler and Carl Landry instead of David West (Because of injury). Ah okay. cool.

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There was no drop off from west to Landry. Tbh Landry stepped up and handled his business and Okafor was solid man. Chandler avg 11-11 while Okafor avg 10-10. From top to bottom Monty had the much better roster.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

You mean when Monty had Omeka instead of Chandler and Carl Landry instead of David West (Because of injury). Ah okay. cool.

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David West played 70 games that year. Are you really trying to play the injury card with that? By that token it's even worse now for Monty, He had Chris Paul for 80 games, the year before CP3 missed half the season.....still had the worse record.

Monty isn't the sole cause of our failures, but he is definately a factor. I can understand what Monty is think with his defensive scheme: he wants to utilize his players to their fullest capacity. The problem with that: I'm not sure we have the personnel to defend his way quite yet. The areas where Monty grinds my gears: rotations, game management, and offensive production. Now that everyone is injured, we can't fairly evaluate him and it sucks. From what I saw though, we really struggled to build any chemistry on offense. The ball didn't move, players were running like headless chickens, and our shot selection was abysmal. Is that Monty's fault? I cannot say for sure, but having seen him here for four years I would not be surprised if he was a culprit.

Side note: Balls- your sig is so funny. All I have to say is it made me giggle like a school girl.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

David West played 70 games that year. Are you really trying to play the injury card with that? By that token it's even worse now for Monty, He had Chris Paul for 80 games, the year before CP3 missed half the season.....still had the worse record.

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You pointed out the Playoff record. I pointed out that West and Chandler were missing from the playoff run that year. That's all I said.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

How is going to an all star game bigger than the team's accomplishments? The NBA gets around 4 off days, it's not like him being there is going to affect the Pelicans in any way. The team this year is a huge disappointment, why wouldn't a coach want to do everything they could to get their star player some recognition he deserves (not to mention the experience of being around the best in the league). It's the fact that he wouldn't even try to help is the issue.

If Monty isn't going to have his player's back why would they have his? No one knows ADs feelings but what if this really meant a lot to him? It's a shame his coach wouldn't do anything.

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I thought sure I heard Hale say last night or maybe it was the game before that Monty was going to get on the phone to talk up AD to other coaches. Is that what you all are talking about? Monty says AD deserves to at least be a backup so why wouldn't he make mention of him to other coaches? I thought that's what I heard her say. Maybe not though.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

You pointed out the Playoff record. I pointed out that West and Chandler were missing from the playoff run that year. That's all I said.

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.....No I didn't.

Monty Williams 46-36 8 seed 1st rd lose in 6 games
Chris Paul-
David west-
Trevor ariza
Carl Landry-
Emeka Okafor
Marcus Thornton
Peja stojakovich
Jason smith
Aaron gray
Willie green
Quincy pondexter

TRUMPS (roster wise)

Byron Scott 56-26 1st place division #2 seed 2nd rd playoffs lose in 7 games
Chris Paul
David west
Tyson chandler
Peja stojakovich
Bonzi wells
Janeiro pargo
Morris Peterson
Bobby Jackson
Rasual butler
Melvin ely
Julian wright
Hilton Armstrong

Monty has proved nothing since he's been year and accomplished nothing.

Ahhh I see where the misinterpretation was. "CP3 playoff run" != W/L record during the playoffs.

I was referring to the time span Chris Paul was here where we were in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

.....No I didn't.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

and he had the worst record during our CP3 playoff run here.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

You pointed out the Playoff record. I pointed out that West and Chandler were missing from the playoff run that year. That's all I said.

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Minus what u pointed out it's still more impressive what Scott did in the reg season and playoffs. Monty had a lot of nice pieces to work with Scott had a joke of a roster compared to what Monty had.

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Originally Posted by Davisistheman

Yes, I read a lot of the chatter on Rita months ago, but not being able to verify (Obviously), I just took it with a grain of salt. If true, it may be a blessing, I have no way of knowing for sure, but in my limited experience with that end of it, there was something I never liked or trusted about the Saints being run by her.

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Agree. Putting Rita in control would be like putting Chad Shinn in control of the franchise. I have to wonder about something though


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Okay nevermind, I see in an article he said he wouldn't be calling coaches. I must have heard Hale say something else then.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Minus what u pointed out it's still more impressive what Scott did in the reg season and playoffs. Monty had a lot of nice pieces to work with Scott had a joke of a roster compared to what Monty had.

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Oh I agree, but there are other factors that needed to be considered. Was just pointing them out.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

I thought sure I heard Hale say last night or maybe it was the game before that Monty was going to get on the phone to talk up AD to other coaches. Is that what you all are talking about? Monty says AD deserves to at least be a backup so why wouldn't he make mention of him to other coaches? I thought that's what I heard her say. Maybe not though.

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We all, at least I am, referring to the post on page 3 that said it was reported "Monty will not campaign to get Davis in the All-Star Game"

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

???

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Please read the post right above this.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

We all, at least I am, referring to the post on page 3 that said it was reported "Monty will not campaign to get Davis in the All-Star Game"

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Okay RTB, I gotcha.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Please read the post you skipped right above this.

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I read it. Makes sense. We posted at the same time. Hard to see every post and post from a phone.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

There was no drop off from west to Landry. Tbh Landry stepped up and handled his business and Okafor was solid man. Chandler avg 11-11 while Okafor avg 10-10. From top to bottom Monty had the much better roster.

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Chandler was way more efficient than Okafor especially offensively. He gave CP3 alot of easy assists and teams had to watch for that. Raw numbers don't tell the story on how Chandler was way more impactful than Okafor. Also Peja was a force that year and CP3 was so much better as well.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I read it. Makes sense. We posted at the same time. Hard to see every post and post from a phone.

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I looked at the times of the posts and realized this, which is why I went and edited my post. Knew you wouldn't deliberately skip over a post.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

Okay RTB, I gotcha.

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I was just wondering if you heard different that contradicted that original post.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Oh I agree, but there are other factors that needed to be considered. Was just pointing them out.

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yea i agree but I'm just pointing out monty could of done more with what he had at the time. the west injury didn't help fopr the playoffs but landry stepped up and averaged west reg season #'s in the playoffs. minus him tho that roster was really deep monty had. his rotations that year were absolutely atrocious as well. sticking it to thornton and pondexter cause they were young. I'm just sick of it man. withey should be playing 25 min a game at this point ATLEAST. considering the guys on the roster at his position. especially considering the few min he does get all he does is produce.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Chandler was way more efficient than Okafor especially offensively. He gave CP3 alot of easy assists and teams had to watch for that. Raw numbers don't tell the story on how Chandler was way more impactful than Okafor. Also Peja was a force that year and CP3 was so much better as well.

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i know that but just pointing out okafor was no slouch at the same time. like i said monty had the much better roster from to bottom.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Chandler was way more efficient than Okafor especially offensively. He gave CP3 alot of easy assists and teams had to watch for that. Raw numbers don't tell the story on how Chandler was way more impactful than Okafor. Also Peja was a force that year and CP3 was so much better as well.

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I decided to check the advanced stats and chandler was slightly better not way more efficient. No way no how. Here is the breakdown.
Chandler/okafor
Ts% 63-59
Efg% 62-57
Orb% 13-12
Drb% 26-24
Trb% 19-18
Ast% 4-3
Blk% 2-5
Stl% 1-1
Tov% 15-15
Usg% 14-15
Ortg% 122-112
Drtg% 104-102
Ows 6-3
Dws 4-4
Ws 10-7
Ws/48 .172-.136
I don't claim to be an expert on advanced stats like these but looking at those numbers the drop off is very small if any. These are the numbers for the 2 playoff runs for each.

I am surprised till now there are still people defending Monty...
It's reasonable to say maybe he should stay till the end of this season. But I think AD deserves to get more wins and stay happy with a new coach.
We are not healthy, in my mind Monty is the partly the reason for the heath issue. If he used young players more, we may have a healthier team now. Except for Ryno, both Smith's and Holiday's injury were sort of accumulated things. What's worse, after those injuries, he has developed a new standard of putting players of court: age orders. That's the only explanation I could come up with for putting Steamer there first, then Ajinca and Withey at last. Maybe that's also why Brian Roberts is start now. Is there an least average age limit in NBA rules that I didn't notice?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I think some ppl on here defend Monty to argue for the sake arguing lol.

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THIS.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

THIS.

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I like the signature :hihi:

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Originally Posted by hesterhu

I am surprised till now there are still people defending Monty...
It's reasonable to say maybe he should stay till the end of this season. But I think AD deserves to get more wins and stay happy with a new coach.
We are not healthy, in my mind Monty is the partly the reason for the heath issue. If he used young players more, we may have a healthier team now. Except for Ryno, both Smith's and Holiday's injury were sort of accumulated things. What's worse, after those injuries, he has developed a new standard of putting players of court: age orders. That's the only explanation I could come up with for putting Steamer there first, then Ajinca and Withey at last. Maybe that's also why Brian Roberts is start now. Is there an least average age limit in NBA rules that I didn't notice?

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C'mon I'm all for Monty being gone after the year but now it's his fault for the injuries too??? Wow

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

C'mon I'm all for Monty being gone after the year but now it's his fault for the injuries too??? Wow

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I just think if he use some of the young players early, the team may be healthier. And the young players should be playing more confident and maybe better than they are now.

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I blame Monty for ruining this site. Rabble Rabble!

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Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican

I blame Monty for ruining this site. Rabble Rabble!

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FINALLY. A fair criticism!

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