Pelicans picking for need?

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05-18-2013, 07:55 PM
Flight of the Pelicans

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

I'm not to sure Dell and Co. will go with luck.

luck isnt a strategy. Getting davis was luck
05-19-2013, 12:26 AM
R_Ash

I think Alex Len or Ben McLemore should be the pick
05-19-2013, 08:20 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by R_Ash

I think Alex Len or Ben McLemore should be the pick

One is a horrible pick at 5 and the other won't be had unless we get a top 3 pick. I'd pick Zeller over Len 10 times out of 10.
05-19-2013, 08:33 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

One is a horrible pick at 5 and the other won't be had unless we get a top 3 pick. I'd pick Zeller over Len 10 times out of 10.

I would too easily. Zeller is flat out better.
05-19-2013, 08:37 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I would too easily. Zeller is flat out better.

Before the combine and about 100% more afterwards. :hihi: With an NBA training regimen his is going to be beastly. Problem is I think he fits more at the 4, not a great fit here.
05-19-2013, 08:41 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Before the combine and about 100% more afterwards. :hihi: With an NBA training regimen his is going to be beastly. Problem is I think he fits more at the 4, not a great fit here.

I like him at the PF as well. Not enough defense or rebounding to anchor the 5, but he will produce offensively. He doesn't fill a need right now with the Anderson at the 4. Same with Bennett.
05-19-2013, 08:48 AM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Before the combine and about 100% more afterwards. :hihi: With an NBA training regimen his is going to be beastly. Problem is I think he fits more at the 4, not a great fit here.

I agree. Good thing we believe in taking BPA and not drafting for need right?
05-19-2013, 08:51 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I agree. Good thing we believe in taking BPA and not drafting for need right?

That only works to a point though. When you already have a log jam at a position I think you have to skip down a spot on your board unless it's a consensus #1 like Davis. Zeller's not a sure thing and EVERY other position other than PF is a need right now.
05-19-2013, 09:06 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

That only works to a point though. When you already have a log jam at a position I think you have to skip down a spot on your board unless it's a consensus #1 like Davis. Zeller's not a sure thing and EVERY other position other than PF is a need right now.

The question is do we take Noel is we're number one. Obviously he's a long-term pick meaning this team may struggle again. That's not a bad thing considering how good the next draft is at the wings.
05-19-2013, 09:09 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

The question is do we take Noel is we're number one. Obviously he's a long-term pick meaning this team may struggle again. That's not a bad thing considering how good the next draft is at the wings.

The real question is, is do you think Noel, who I think we can all agree will never be a force on offense will ever be a deserving max money guy?
05-19-2013, 09:15 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

The real question is, is do you think Noel, who I think we can all agree will never be a force on offense will ever be a deserving max money guy?

Depends how dynamic he is in the paint. Shooting a high FG% and truly becoming a defensive anchor then he could be somewhat like a Tyson Chandler who was the second best player on the Mavs championship run. He's a long-term project but the same could be said of Chandler. Scouting is the real key. Which guy has the best upside, best work ethic and best impact on the floor. Stats don't tell the whole story. I'm not sure if any of these guys are max contract players.
05-19-2013, 09:23 AM
bradael

Picking 5/6/7/8, I really like Zeller there out of the options likely to be available. Teams won't be able to run with the Pelicans when they have Zeller & Davis at the 4 & 5.

However, I do find it interesting that Zeller's combine numbers are nearly identical across the board to Jason Smith. Same exact height w/o shoes, wingspan, reach, and max vert. Nearly identical weight, agility run, and sprint (with Zeller being slightly better at the agility run & sprint) and with Zeller having a 35.5 standing vert to Jason Smith's 33.5.

They also had nearly identical stats their sophomore seasons in college. Main difference is Cody Zeller played in the Big 10 compared to Jason Smith playing in the Mountain West.

I do think Cody Zeller is a better player and will be a much better pro than Jason Smith. But I also find those numbers interesting.
05-19-2013, 09:29 AM
Pelicans78

Yeah that's why it's gonna be hard to draft Zeller due to having Anderson and Smith here. But Zeller will produce. He can play.

He and Porter may be the safe pick. I would be happy with Porter in the end. As a SF, he will defend and produce offensively. He will start right away and for a long-time. I like Burke too, but his defense worries me. I would feel comfortable with Oladipo in the 6-9 range of the draft. I think top 5 is too high.
05-19-2013, 09:31 AM
tdcreator

If we draft for need it has to be porter but I'm ok with anything. Can't wait for Tuesday.
05-19-2013, 09:34 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

The question is do we take Noel is we're number one. Obviously he's a long-term pick meaning this team may struggle again. That's not a bad thing considering how good the next draft is at the wings.

It would be really hard for me after him measuring in at 206. That's just TINY. And people scoff at Davis playing C at 225...
05-19-2013, 09:35 AM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by bradael

Picking 5/6/7/8, I really like Zeller there out of the options likely to be available. Teams won't be able to run with the Pelicans when they have Zeller & Davis at the 4 & 5.

However, I do find it interesting that Zeller's combine numbers are nearly identical across the board to Jason Smith. Same exact height w/o shoes, wingspan, reach, and max vert. Nearly identical weight, agility run, and sprint (with Zeller being slightly better at the agility run & sprint) and with Zeller having a 35.5 standing vert to Jason Smith's 33.5.

They also had nearly identical stats their sophomore seasons in college. Main difference is Cody Zeller played in the Big 10 compared to Jason Smith playing in the Mountain West.

I do think Cody Zeller is a better player and will be a much better pro than Jason Smith. But I also find those numbers interesting.

Wow great post, that really is eye-opening. I'm a huge Smith fan and LOVE him as our primary 4/5 backup.
05-19-2013, 09:40 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

It would be really hard for me after him measuring in at 206. That's just TINY. And people scoff at Davis playing C at 225...

I was surprised too but obviously he would be another long-term project like Rivers. But he will go number one most likely and if we do draft him we can let him develop behind Lopez, Smith, etc and hope we get our wing player in the 2014 draft.
05-19-2013, 09:54 AM
donato

I'd go Gobert over Zeller or Len.
05-19-2013, 10:08 AM
Pelicans78

I've never seen Gobert play. The film doesn't lie either. Scouting is crucial.
05-19-2013, 10:09 AM
NMThreeMVP

I can see Pelicans doing just about anything with their pick.... Except picking Zeller or any other PF.

The Pelicans are trying to build a rotation, and the PF spots are already 3 deep.
05-19-2013, 10:10 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I've never seen Gobert play. The film doesn't lie either. Scouting is crucial.

If there's no one you love you take him and stash him in Europe until he develops.
05-19-2013, 10:14 AM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If there's no one you love you take him and stash him in Europe until he develops.

I don't think the team loves anyone in this draft. I just get that feeling.
05-19-2013, 10:16 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I don't think the team loves anyone in this draft. I just get that feeling.

I can't say I blame them. When Burke is who everyone's excited about, it's a bad draft. Not to say he won't be a fine player.
05-19-2013, 10:18 AM
Snarly

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If there's no one you love you take him and stash him in Europe until he develops.

What if the prospect doesn't want to be stashed? That's a very real possibility with a prospect like Gobert.
05-19-2013, 10:22 AM
AD23forMVP

I once again want a late first rounder. Some of the guys we like to talk about as lottery picks will end up having the same value as guys that go in the 20's deep in the first round. You see it time and time again with the good teams, drafting guys that become rotation players. Guys that have one or two particular NBA skills and they carve a career with just those skills. Jeff Withey, Allan Crabbe, Erick Green, Jamaal Franklin, Tony Snell, Reggie Bullock, Deshaun Thomas, and so on.
05-19-2013, 10:25 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

What if the prospect doesn't want to be stashed? That's a very real possibility with a prospect like Gobert.

You talk to him. If he doesn't want to be stashed you don't pick them. Most o these guys can make what their rookie contracts are overseas and play. Most players like to play instead of riding the end of the bench. It can be win win; but it's his choice.
05-19-2013, 10:29 AM
donato

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I've never seen Gobert play. The film doesn't lie either. Scouting is crucial.

I haven't either. It appears he's quite good at blocking shots though, so there's that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhxAJpYymZk
05-19-2013, 03:28 PM
luckyman

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Actually OKC wasn't the first to use this model, it was the spurs (who Monty and Dell are a product of). The got their franchise pieces in Duncan, Manu, and Parker from the draft. I think we can get a great player in FA, but the Pelicans are in no way in win now mode. If you listen to all interviews from Pelican personnel they all say the same thing. They are in rebuilding mode, and it's a three year plan (starting last year). We got our franchise big man in AD and hopefully our franchise guard in Burke. Throw them in with key pieces like Rivers, Anderson, Lopez, Gordon (if they aren't fed up with him), GV and hopefully a big time wing in the draft next year then we have a contender in 3 years.

You don't have to be in a win now mode to try to acquire free agents. Get into the playoffs mode will suffice, which is exactly what Monty and Dell have been preaching since the season ended. They want to get some vets in here and pronto.

I also never said OKC was the first and there were teams before the Spurs who built mainly by drafting . OKC is the team most people refer to nowadays, so that is who I chose.
05-19-2013, 03:50 PM
TPDG22

If New Orleans draft Burke or McLemore then they have to look at trade options for Eric Gordon. With a backcourt roster of Eric, GV, Rivers and Roberts there won't be any playing time for a Top 5 selection at G to get. Therefore, which leads me to believe that neither of the top G's in this draft will we select unless there BPA. In the most realistic scenario, I think we'll select either Muhammad or Len to add depth a frontcourt we need to continue to add depth to.

Now, if we do select Trey Burke or any of the top G's in this draft then I can't imagine Eric Gordon being on the team next season. A line-up such as the following would be interesting: (A 3-Guard line-up that can push the basketball in an up-tempo style.)

PG: Trey Burke
SG: Austin Rivers
SF: Greivis Vasquez
PF: Anthony Davis
C: *Free Agent
05-19-2013, 04:22 PM
AD23forMVP

Picking a PG doesn't effect Gordons future with the team at all.
05-19-2013, 04:57 PM
Eman5805

Rather enhances his future, really.
05-19-2013, 05:00 PM
jhow0036

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Picking a PG doesn't effect Gordons future with the team at all.

Agree 100%
05-19-2013, 05:28 PM
Psalm 102.6

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

The question is do we take Noel is we're number one. Obviously he's a long-term pick meaning this team may struggle again. That's not a bad thing considering how good the next draft is at the wings.

I don't think. If they win the lottery, I see them either taking Ben McLemore or trading down to be honest.
05-19-2013, 06:32 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Picking a PG doesn't effect Gordons future with the team at all.

Yeah that was a weird statement. Like Eman said, if anything is makes it more realistic for him to stay.
05-19-2013, 06:37 PM
TPDG22

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Picking a PG doesn't effect Gordons future with the team at all.

How so? Austin Rivers is the PG of the future which was stated by Monty himself. In addition, you have Vasquez and Roberts.
05-19-2013, 06:45 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by TPDG22

How so? Austin Rivers is the PG of the future which was stated by Monty himself. In addition, you have Vasquez and Roberts.

Ok, which piece of this statement includes Gordon ?
05-19-2013, 07:34 PM
HornetGuru

we need a sf, with a good SF and a healthy gordon we are a playoff team
05-19-2013, 07:42 PM
Psalm 102.6

I don't think Aminu is a BAD SF persay, but he's not going to be one who lights up the scoreboard with points.
05-19-2013, 07:48 PM
TPDG22

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Ok, which piece of this statement includes Gordon ?

I was only pertaining to the PG position.
05-19-2013, 07:56 PM
NMThreeMVP

If Monty and Dell are ready to go into "playoff mode" then we need to draft/sign reliable scorers -someone who can create their own shot.

We don't currently have that on the team because our coaches and players can't rely on Eric Gordon.

Look for them to draft/sign the best scorers regardless of position.
05-19-2013, 07:58 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by Bayou Bee

I don't think Aminu is a BAD SF persay, but he's not going to be one who lights up the scoreboard with points.

He isnt a bad sf, but his lack of versatility hinders us. I dont think this matters because we have a very slim chance of resigning him. The question is: who becomes our wing? Will we adress the situation with FA/draft/trade? If we get the 3rd pick and Porter is there i find it hard to believe we dont take him.
05-19-2013, 08:07 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If Monty and Dell are ready to go into "playoff mode" then we need to draft/sign reliable scorers -someone who can create their own shot.

We don't currently have that on the team because our coaches and players can't rely on Eric Gordon.

Look for them to draft/sign the best scorers regardless of position.

We were never relying on Eric Gordon. These last two years have been rebuilding years. You need to quit assuming hes going to be injured all the time. He played a large chunk of the season, and he only sat out back to backs bc management wanted to be cautious. If we trade Eric Gordon we wont be making the playoffs anytime soon. Id rather take my chances with a young player who is capable of dominating games rather than trade for a grizzly veteran who is no more than a role player...
05-19-2013, 08:31 PM
NMThreeMVP

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

We were never relying on Eric Gordon. These last two years have been rebuilding years. You need to quit assuming hes going to be injured all the time. He played a large chunk of the season, and he only sat out back to backs bc management wanted to be cautious. If we trade Eric Gordon we wont be making the playoffs anytime soon. Id rather take my chances with a young player who is capable of dominating games rather than trade for a grizzly veteran who is no more than a role player...

If this staff decides to rely on Eric Gordon to be that young player capable of dominating games in order for this team to contend next season (or 4 yrs from now), then this staff is stupid.

You can't turn a wh*** into a house wife. And you can't depend on a guy who's been unreliable since high school to all of a sudden maximize all of his potential on a consistent basis.
05-19-2013, 08:44 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If this staff decides to rely on Eric Gordon to be that young player capable of dominating games in order for this team to contend next season (or 4 yrs from now), then this staff is stupid.

You can't turn a wh*** into a house wife. And you can't depend on a guy who's been unreliable since high school to all of a sudden maximize all of his potential on a consistent basis.

We'll see buddy :). I think they take BMAC if hes on the board, but it doesnt mean anyones gone. It does give us flexibility in the back court, and we can move Gordon when we see fit. Rushing to trade Gordon for cap relief is silly when we are 14 mil under the cap. We have time, and i dont see his butt leaving Nola just yet.
05-19-2013, 08:51 PM
NMThreeMVP

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

We'll see buddy :). I think they take BMAC if hes on the board, but it doesnt mean anyones gone. It does give us flexibility in the back court, and we can move Gordon when we see fit. Rushing to trade Gordon for cap relief is silly when we are 14 mil under the cap. We have time, and i dont see his butt leaving Nola just yet.

I don't know if we'll trade him, but we need to find someone in the draft who can potentially create their own offense and dominate a game offensively. We currently don't have that. I'm not sure BMAC is that guy either. Not aggressive enough.
05-19-2013, 09:04 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I don't know if we'll trade him, but we need to find someone in the draft who can potentially create their own offense and dominate a game offensively. We currently don't have that. I'm not sure BMAC is that guy either. Not aggressive enough.

You have to take what you can get in this draft. Mclemore is the 2nd best prospect sadly. I am worried about his mentality as well.
05-19-2013, 09:18 PM
Official

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I don't know if we'll trade him, but we need to find someone in the draft who can potentially create their own offense and dominate a game offensively. We currently don't have that. I'm not sure BMAC is that guy either. Not aggressive enough.

Trey Burke?
05-19-2013, 09:37 PM
HornetGuru

how do people feel about this lineup:

Rivers
Gordon
Porter
Ryno
Davis
05-19-2013, 09:40 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

how do people feel about this lineup:

Rivers
Gordon
Porter
Ryno
Davis

In 2-3 years very happy.
Not next season unless, we want to be in the lottery AGAIN.
05-19-2013, 09:55 PM
Blackout

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

how do people feel about this lineup:

Rivers
Gordon
Porter
Ryno
Davis

Rather this one than drafting Burke.

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