NBA Draft Combine Tomorrow (5/16/13)/Measurements pg. 6

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'd hardly call a 6'6" wingspan on a 6'2"ish (in truth, you are as tall as you are outside of shoes, so it makes Rudy Gobert, Durant, Otto Porter, AD's wingspans all the more freakish) terrible. It's just a lil' disappointing because you'd like a lil' more length for a 6'3" combo guard. It's what helps Gordon out immensely.

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Agreed how is a +3" wing pan terrible?

Also, did I read right? Did Nerlens Noel weigh in at 206lbs? Jesus. As if I needed even more reason to not want him.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Agreed how is a +3" wing pan terrible?

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It's good on protypical height for the position. Most NBA players are +3 or +4. For a shorter guy like McCollum who has a typical wingspan for his height and is projected to be a SG, that's not good in my eyes. Especially one that is slated to go in the top 10.

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Kansas's Ben McLemore says his first three interviews were Cleveland, Minnesota and New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

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"Contingencies", me thinks.

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``Based on what I heard from the doctors and trainers, Eric’s situation is pretty good for us,’’ Williams said. ``They just needed to clean up some stuff from him so he can be 100 percent.We feel like he will be that way well before the season starts.’’

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http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.s...rward_a_1.html

Hm...:huh2:

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

It's good on protypical height for the position. Most NBA players are +3 or +4. For a shorter guy like McCollum who has a typical wingspan for his height and is projected to be a SG, that's not good in my eyes. Especially one that is slated to go in the top 10.

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He's listed as a PG from everything I've seen.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He's listed as a PG from everything I've seen.

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He's listed as a tweener. But if you watch him play a couple of times, you can tell he's more of a SG than a PG. I don't believe any team is going to draft him to be their PG.

Don't take this the wrong way. I think he's going to be a nice scorer in the league. I question his ability to be a full time starter. I think he's going to be a very valuable 6th man type.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Shabazz Muhammad - Measured out well enough imo. 6'6 in shoes with a 6'11 wingspan. Good enough size for a SF.

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Measurements aside, I feel like we already have Shabazz Muhammad on this team. Except he goes by the name Xavier Henry. Pass.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Random thought about the measurements...

1. Shabazz Muhammad - Measured out well enough imo. 6'6 in shoes with a 6'11 wingspan. Good enough size for a SF.
2. Rudy Gobert - There's no doubt in my mind, he's going to be a top 10 pick. If he shows good fluidity and touch around the basket, Look out.
3. Cody Zeller - Measured out better than I expected. Legit 7fter in shoes. Unfortunately, we have confirmation on his T-Rex arms.
4. Steven Adams - Measured out very well. As expected. He's a much better prospect than his late first round grade people are giving him.
5. Otto Porter is as advertised. Long! He's measured out almost as well as Aminu. That's great for him.
6. Victor Oladipo - I was disappointed. I wish he was his listed height at 6-5. No more SF talk for him.
7. Nerlens Noel - measured out very well. 206lbs is pathetic though. I could see teams shying away from him due to his weight.
8. Ben McLemore - Measured out good. A heair under 6-5 in shoes. This basically puts him in Ray Allen territory in terms of height. I thought he was going to measure out shorter.
9. Trey Burke - this guy keeps answering critics... time and time again.
10. CJ McCollum - 6-3 in shoes? With a terrible wingspan at 6'6. Major disappointment.

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Can we please stop with all this 6'6 good enough for sf... I mean damn aren't we already small with Ej... 6'6 is an ideal SG not SF and plus he would get destroyed by LBJ, Melo , Rudy , Durant , George, even barnes

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Originally Posted by tyler

Can we please stop with all this 6'6 good enough for sf... I mean damn aren't we already small with Ej... 6'6 is an ideal SG not SF and plus he would get destroyed by LBJ, Melo , Rudy , Durant , George, even barnes

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My post had nothing to do with the Pelcans. Those are general thoughts. He's 225 with a 6'11 wingspan. That's similar to what Henry measured and Williams considered him a SF.

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Originally Posted by tyler

Can we please stop with all this 6'6 good enough for sf... I mean damn aren't we already small with Ej... 6'6 is an ideal SG not SF and plus he would get destroyed by LBJ, Melo , Rudy , Durant , George, even barnes

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Iggy holds his own against those guys and he is a similar size to Shabazz, iirc.

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people put too much emphasis on height, charles barkley was too short for a PF wasnt he? how'd that workout

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

people put too much emphasis on height, charles barkley was too short for a PF wasnt he? how'd that workout

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You named one person... and even so why would you want to take that risk on height anyway

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

people put too much emphasis on height, charles barkley was too short for a PF wasnt he? how'd that workout

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And yet, he still went top 5. There's a lot more to Barkley thank just his height. He was a freak of nature. Guys like Barkley doesn't grow on trees. He's a very rare breed. You'll probably won't see another Barkley in your lifetime.

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Originally Posted by tyler

You named one person... and even so why would you want to take that risk on height anyway

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I can name a hundred people who were undersized and were very good or still are good, ill do it later when I'm not on my phone, and the reason u take the risk is if u can play u can play

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

people put too much emphasis on height, charles barkley was too short for a PF wasnt he? how'd that workout

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Exception not rule. Nate Robinson is serviceable but I'm sure he's not was gms are looking for in terms of measurable a because there's so little people with length "deficiencies" that break the rule. We bring up chuck Hayes as well but all he's been is a serviceable backup.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I can name a hundred people who were undersized and were very good or still are good, ill do it later when I'm not on my phone, and the reason u take the risk is if u can play u can play

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I bet you can't name 100s of people that were 2 standard deviations from mean height of position at current year. They'll be outliers; there always is. I also don't think Shabazz falls in the extremely undersized dept like chuck and chuck did either. So I don't think we're completely disagreeing.

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

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With a 29.2% chance at a top 3 pick... if the Pelicans land a top 3 pick, they're most likely taking McLemore or Porter. They'd be dumb not to interview him.

So you are telling me Shabazz can defend the SF position

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Originally Posted by tyler

So you are telling me Shabazz can defend the SF position

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No, I'm saying Shabazz can guard a 2 or a 3 equally as bad lol.

And the fact that you all want to undersize on the position we need the most... To me I think i think the SF is strongest position in the game and under sizing isn't an option

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Originally Posted by tyler

And the fact that you all want to undersize on the position we need the most... To me I think i think the SF is strongest position in the game and under sizing isn't an option

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Who said "all of us" want to be undersized at the 3? Besides you.

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Originally Posted by tyler

You named one person... and even so why would you want to take that risk on height anyway

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ALLEN IVERSON, CHARLES BARKLEY, BILL RUSSEL, kenneth farried, dejuan blair, ty lawson, aaron brooks, avery johnson, paul millsap, damon stoudamire, nate robinson, earl boykins, spud webb, leonard robinson, LARRY JOHNSON, ben wallace, muggsy bogues, DENNIS RODMAN, wes unseld, ELGIN BAYLOR,

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Originally Posted by tyler

And the fact that you all want to undersize on the position we need the most... To me I think i think the SF is strongest position in the game and under sizing isn't an option

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never said i wanted an undersized guy, simply said they can be successful and dont look too much into size.

Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson, Ty Lawson, CP3,Monta Ellis, AI, Desmond Mason, Ariza, Dantly, Unseld, Chuck Hayes, Ben Wallace, Elgin Baylor, Muggsy, Larry Johnson, Truck Robinson, Stoudamire, Millsap, Dejuan Blair...what was that about size?

I would take a 6'3 CJ Mc over a 6'6 Shabazz.

Bazz worked out with small forwards, I have no doubt that's what he'll play at the next level.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Earl Boykins, Nate Robinson, Ty Lawson, CP3,Monta Ellis, AI, Desmond Mason, Ariza, Dantly, Unseld, Chuck Hayes, Ben Wallace, Elgin Baylor, Muggsy, Larry Johnson, Truck Robinson, Stoudamire, Millsap, Dejuan Blair...what was that about size?

I would take a 6'3 CJ Mc over a 6'6 Shabazz.

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dont forget bill freaking russel, a 6"9 center, or dennis roman, paul millsap or kenneth varied, jason terry.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

ALLEN IVERSON, CHARLES BARKLEY, BILL RUSSEL, kenneth farried, dejuan blair, ty lawson, aaron brooks, avery johnson, paul millsap, damon stoudamire, nate robinson, earl boykins, spud webb, leonard robinson, LARRY JOHNSON, ben wallace, muggsy bogues, DENNIS RODMAN, wes unseld, ELGIN BAYLOR,

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First of all i don't see any SF second of all you saying all these names back in the day there weren't that many tall people back then and third as many NBA players they have you found a small group...yes the we good even great but thats still a risk especially for someone who hasn't proven themselves

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Originally Posted by tyler

First of all i don't see any SF second of all you saying all these names back in the day there weren't that many tall people back then and third as many NBA players they have you found a small group...yes the we good even great but thats still a risk especially for someone who hasn't proven themselves

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no players in the draft have proven themselves. Look at thabeet, ya he was tall, and he sucks. Also i dont want bazz at SF, id rather him at SG but with his weight and 7 ft wing span i think he would be fine at SF also, but id rather him at SG to bully most SG's.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who said "all of us" want to be undersized at the 3? Besides you.

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I just read a lot of ppl buying into the undersized 3

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Originally Posted by tyler

I just read a lot of ppl buying into the undersized 3

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I think it's more of let's look at the game in conjunction w measurements. Not just measurements and pull him off the board.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

no players in the draft have proven themselves. Look at thabeet, ya he was tall, and he sucks. Also i dont want bazz at SF, id rather him at SG but with his weight and 7 ft wing span i think he would be fine at SF also, but id rather him at SG to bully most SG's.

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OK but shabazz a person known as a 1 trick pony supposedly a liability on defense at the SF position

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Originally Posted by tyler

OK but shabazz a person known as a 1 trick pony supposedly a liability on defense at the SF position

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Again, Iggy does quite well playing defense against 3s. 6' 6.75" in shoes with 6'11" reach.

e: Not saying that Shabazz won't be awful at defense, just that his size will not be the reason for it.

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Originally Posted by tyler

OK but shabazz a person known as a 1 trick pony supposedly a liability on defense at the SF position

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since he can score from any wich way on the court i wouldnt say thats a 1 trick pony, he can score from absolutely anywhere, perimeter, post, driving, and he is the best offensive rebounding guard in college basketball, which speaks to his hustle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWFZ_iNgRDY

the fact that someone who can dunk, shoot, and pass this well...happens to be the best perimeter defender in college. its not a question who the steal in this draft is

http://nbadraft.net/forum/2013-nba-combine-measurements

Gobert sets 2 records, no one has ever matched his wing span or standing reach, ever! That is insane...

Trey Burke with shoes: 6"1.5 - his draft stock just went up, if the magic pick before us we have no chance, better hope we jump them! I could even see the magic taking him #1

He's a game changer

steve adams - 7 ft
kaldwell pope - 6'5.5" (and a nice wing span)
crabbe - 6'6.25"
Dieng - a hair under 6"11 with an amazing wingspan
archie goodwin - 6'5.25"
hardaway jr - 6'6.25"
McCollum - 6'3.25"
McLemore - a hair under 6'5"
tony mitchell - 6'8.75"
Shabazz - a hair under 6'6.5" (6 ft 6 and a half inches is better than i thought)
noel - a hair under 7 ft
oladipo - 6'4.25"
Olynyk - 7ft
otto porter - 6'8.5" (he is super tall and long)
schroeder - 6'2"
Zeller - 7'.25"

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

since he can score from any wich way on the court i wouldnt say thats a 1 trick pony, he can score from absolutely anywhere, perimeter, post, driving, and he is the best offensive rebounding guard in college basketball, which speaks to his hustle.

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We already have lopez who is bad on the defensive board, gordon who as a rebounder is worse than useless and now put in shabazz who on the D-board is a non-presence? You like 2nd point chance to be scored on you

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Originally Posted by ScoutWithoutClout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWFZ_iNgRDY

the fact that someone who can dunk, shoot, and pass this well...happens to be the best perimeter defender in college. its not a question who the steal in this draft is

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This. He truly is phenomenal.

I'm really liking McLemore's game. He oozes a ton of potential as an athletic, slashing 2 guard. He will be great depth behind Gordon.

NOLA interviewed McLemore and Burke at the NBA Combine which leads me to strongly believe that one of our guards won't return next season. Who will it be???

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Originally Posted by TPDG22

NOLA interviewed McLemore and Burke at the NBA Combine which leads me to strongly believe that one of our guards won't return next season. Who will it be???

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Mason :D

So now Burke is actually pretty close to 6'2"? That is huge for him. Maybe too huge...

Ryan Kelley 14.8 body fat lol

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Trey Burke with shoes: 6"1.5 - his draft stock just went up, if the magic pick before us we have no chance, better hope we jump them! I could even see the magic taking him #1

He's a game changer

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I have no idea why you're convinced the magic take Burke.

Oladipo measured in 2 inches shorter than I expected.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Oladipo measured in 2 inches shorter than I expected.

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For comparison's sake, his measurables are quite similar to Tony Allen's.

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Originally Posted by mdaniel

For comparison's sake, his measurables are quite similar to Tony Allen's.

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O I know that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me I just read somewhere he was closer to 6'6

Dipo's playing at the 2 anyway and is long, that won't affect him.

I'm sad that Burke measured so well :hihi: Hopefully we can snag #3 so we have our choice of Porter and Burke. Pleeeeeeease?