2004 NBA Free Agency - Sources!

Yeah I truly don't understand this ****. I offered Hedo a lot more in a 5 year contract. Don't get it. Frustrating.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Wow another big signing for me. Marshall was a complete luxury signing and i'm happy to have him.

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I really wanted him for the MLE I offered it to about 4 guys and Bo signed first. I like Outlaw bu wanted to get th gang back together with Marshall.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

I really wanted him for the MLE I offered it to about 4 guys and Bo signed first. I like Outlaw bu wanted to get th gang back together with Marshall.

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Fair enough. I was waiting to offer Outlaw a deal as well but didn't want to use my free cap space since i had his rights. You were smart to offer him early.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

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Are we adopting the new points system?
Are we adopting the new Lux tax rule?

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Points system yes

Lux Tax rule yes, you're going to keep track of that correct?

Yes sir. Should be a once a year thing.

where are the details for this i must have missed it

I'll post it in a new thread if it's approved.

I agree with Soundwave that the lux tax should be held off until next year maybe use this year as a trial. Itd be nice to know how a rule change works before it goes into effect

Pretty simple. You are allowed to be over the cap by $5mil... if i remember correctly, you pay a point for every million after that. It's to curb people from throwing out max money across the board.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

I agree with Soundwave that the lux tax should be held off until next year maybe use this year as a trial. Itd be nice to know how a rule change works before it goes into effect

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Biggest cap #. I don't blame you :hihi: . Not taking a shot just joking. Seriously though I think it needs to happen now. I think the point system and this go hand in hand. There's only like 7 offenders currently with the big money guys out. Lots of teams with space to dump salary to as well.

It shouldn't go in until after this season. I want to say that was discussed.

So no bill till 2006? Or a bill at the end of THIS season. I don't think we should be billing people for last year's season either.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

So no bill till 2006? Or a bill at the end of THIS season. I don't think we should be billing people for last year's season either.

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I think people need to be aware of it all now (and have been with their signings). At the end of this season (after last playoff game) is when you'd pay. (before resignings)

Btw, what's next for FA? How's it all going to pan out from here?

So, should we bill at the beginning of the season or the end? Of course teams cap numbers will change during a season.

Are we set with the training costs? For instance, why does it cost more to train post defense than perimeter defense?

As far as when to begin with the tax, obviously it doesn't matter as much to me because I will not be over. I just think penalizing teams this year for things they did within the rules isn't up to par. Then again, this is coming from the same person that thinks its wrong to keep steroid users out of the baseball hall of fame. There was no rule against it, but they really did know it wasn't the right thing to do.

Because I felt perimeter d was broken j to two things: perimeter d and drive d.

I think the penalties need to be paid at the end of the season... so you pertty much have up to the trade deadline to minimize your tax hit. Then pay prior to the last NBA Champ sim. (that way if a championship team has to sign a guy or two for that series due to injury, it can be done then paid)

Immediately after the NBA Finals are over and simmed, don't the FA's become FAs? Or does commish need to initiate the resigning process to generate offers and everyone else becomes FAs? If it's the latter, we can make this a part of the offseason process before Resignings.

Balls volunteered(?) to overlook this; so maybe he could create the thread at that point to say who has to pay a tax.

I'd do it at playoff time. And collection would need to happen at the end of the season. I think it's gotta happen this seasons end. Celtics have the worst figure but only would owe something like 28 points. I think winning a championship w the new points system pretty much pays for that. He just used 100 points to train guys so its not like he was hurting for points. Sorry hornetsfaninky to use you as an example here.

Yeah I was hoping this would get instituted asap as well. The current system is the richer get richest. I think the luxury tax should be a bit more harsh than a point per mil. But that's just my opinion. I don't think 1 point per mil is gonna stop many from going over, because basically those guys going over are getting tons of points so it's not really hurting them too much.

It's 2 points per mill. I dont think you can go over that since i dont think teams generally earn over like 40 a season tops.

This is coming from someone who will be over the threshold this and next year lol.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

It's 2 points per mill. I dont think you can go over that since i dont think teams generally earn over like 40 a season tops.

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I thought it was 1 point. 2 is much better though

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

It's 2 points per mill. I dont think you can go over that since i dont think teams generally earn over like 40 a season tops.

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That's fine with me. I should still be able to upgrade people frequently

Can you please also explain the thought process of making 3-pt shooting and jump shot training 10 points more than inside scoring?

So I might lose 16 points?

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

Can you please also explain the thought process of making 3-pt shooting and jump shot training 10 points more than inside scoring?

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If you've got a better point system, by all means suggest it, but I'm not going to justify every single point selection lol. I did it months ago at this point. I felt like it was harder irl to work on your 3 point shot and jump shot than an inside shot. Which is why everyone's not running around shooting .400. I took the template from 2k and adjusted it here and there.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

So I might lose 16 points?

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Next season by the beginning, yes. But that is up to commish.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Next season by the beginning, yes. But that is up to commish.

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I don't mind. I don't garner much points anyway. I've never used them either.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I don't mind. I don't garner much points anyway. I've never used them either.

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Just to use Pelicans as an example. How many people "don't use" or even "don't care" about their points? If they aren't deemed important by everyone then this "tax" isn't going to do what it's meant to do.

There's penalties for not being able to pay it. That's the big difference. You go 30 mill over and have to pay 60 you're losing your MLE and lle. That's a big penalty to a contending team.

You also can't train your rookies which is a big deal.

I think the points are important to people able to get enough to use them. It took me till this season to have enough to use on a training camp. But now with the new system i dont know what ill be able to use it on and how well i will be able to get points

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Originally Posted by c_prej

I think the points are important to people able to get enough to use them. It took me till this season to have enough to use on a training camp. But now with the new system i dont know what ill be able to use it on and how well i will be able to get points

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The new point system is geared towards teams like yours. No stars. Team oriented goals.

Hey now i got stars just no SUPER Stars lol

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Originally Posted by c_prej

Hey now i got stars just no SUPER Stars lol

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LOL, this is true.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If you've got a better point system, by all means suggest it, but I'm not going to justify every single point selection lol. I did it months ago at this point. I felt like it was harder irl to work on your 3 point shot and jump shot than an inside shot. Which is why everyone's not running around shooting .400. I took the template from 2k and adjusted it here and there.

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I really like most of the point selections. Just trying to understand the particulars. Also want to make sure this was something that has some basis behind it. I hope this is not offensive in any way, but I really want to make sure they weren't numbers you just threw out there one night off the top of your head and now it's gonna be used as the league standard.

Trying to avoid anything becoming an issue next offseason. It seems points are gonna be much harder to come by so it would be in our best interest to get it right.

I guess my only suggestion would be to think about switching jump shot to 35. I would think 3point shooting would be more valuable than regular jump shooting. And, not being a real basketball player myself, I can only assume both are harder to improve in real life than inside scoring.

So when is the new system going into effect. I need to train a couple players

I pulled what made sense off of 2k. It was thought out.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I pulled what made sense off of 2k. It was thought out.

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Pretty much what I needed to know.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

Pretty much what I needed to know.

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If I didn't like thanos so much I'd put Ed norton as my avi

Well yall put together the point system the league would want, and then send it to me.

When should we have bids in by commish?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

If I didn't like thanos so much I'd put Ed norton as my avi

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I am Jack's raging bile duct.

I'm fine with the change soundwave suggested.

I'm fine with it.

Personally, I would like to see 3point offense cheaper just so I can use it on Miller. :thumbup:
I guess I'll just have to save up.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

I'm fine with it.

Personally, I would like to see 3point offense cheaper just so I can use it on Miller. :thumbup:
I guess I'll just have to save up.

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Ill drop it on Chauncey :)

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

Ill drop it on Chauncey :)

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I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

So we're agree'd on the new points system?

I'm agreed, but I can't speak for everyone.

I think we've addressed every one of my questions/concerns.

One more question.

Will there still be a "raise players's potential" and "waive 4th year rookie contract" option?

Just being thorough.