Who should become the first person to be drafted to the pelicans?

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Originally Posted by TBlaze

Gordon is not a PG... it's that simple. He played it in college and didn't excel like at the 2.

He doesn't like being a full time PG... he's the "cornerstone"... don't make him play PG when he's fine at the 2.

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I know he isn't a true pg but he is best w the ball in his hands so what's the difference of letting him take it down the court then calling an iso for him or having someone pass him the ball then call an iso? He is best in pick and roll situations, rose and westbrook aren't true pg or SGs, they are combo guards just like gordon, great in iso 1 on 1 and better w the ball in their hands

Gordon is the best passer on our team. He can certainly run the point if he works on his handles a little more. Vasquez gets all his assists because the ball is always in his hands. If Gordon had the ball as much as Vasquez did, he'd have near the same amount of assists and double the points. If a guy like McLemore slips to us, you take him no matter what, and you make it worst. Never draft for need at the top of an NBA draft.

I don't like EG as PG, either, for the record. Also nolaism213 for some reason the pic in ur sig looks like AD is tryna give birth with LeBron and Durant encouraging him and CP3 waiting to catch it....

With the team doing a complete 180 on their form when EG returned, and also EG not being as effective lately (his Lakers game performance was mostly taking spot up 3's) AND Monty's increased minutes for Rivers and Darius Miller, I think we've kinda thrown in the towel and really want another high pick.

If Otto Porter has legit range I'd run with him at the 5-8 range. If we land higher aim for Shabaz. I don't like any of the skinny centers coming out. The PG's don't really excite me much as I want this Hornets team back in the playoffs in 2 years and would rather a proven floor general to make that happen.

Otto porter is a luol deng clone, plays exactly like him, very long, lockdown defender, incredible rebounder, great jumpshot, unorthodox style, if we could get porter that would be great

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Otto porter is a luol deng clone, plays exactly like him, very long, lockdown defender, incredible rebounder, great jumpshot, unorthodox style, if we could get porter that would be great

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Wouldn't mind him at all. Where do you think he will end up going pick wise?

Gordon is always dribbling the ball off his feet. Does anybody else notice that?

Which confuses the hell out of me. He had solid handle before. Now he can barely penetrate the lane without fumbling the ball.

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Originally Posted by Impose

I don't like EG as PG, either, for the record. Also nolaism213 for some reason the pic in ur sig looks like AD is tryna give birth with LeBron and Durant encouraging him and CP3 waiting to catch it....

With the team doing a complete 180 on their form when EG returned, and also EG not being as effective lately (his Lakers game performance was mostly taking spot up 3's) AND Monty's increased minutes for Rivers and Darius Miller, I think we've kinda thrown in the towel and really want another high pick.

If Otto Porter has legit range I'd run with him at the 5-8 range. If we land higher aim for Shabaz. I don't like any of the skinny centers coming out. The PG's don't really excite me much as I want this Hornets team back in the playoffs in 2 years and would rather a proven floor general to make that happen.

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LOL i never looked at the pic like that bro. But it actually makes since.....

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Wouldn't mind him at all. Where do you think he will end up going pick wise?

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6-12

People on this board are pretty high on deng but he is old but porter plays identical, just like deng he will prob avg 7-8 Rebs a game in the nba, he also also incredible at defending and is a sharpshooter from 3 and maybe has the best midrange shot in the draft

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

6-12

People on this board are pretty high on deng but he is old but porter plays identical, just like deng he will prob avg 7-8 Rebs a game in the nba, he also also incredible at defending and is a sharpshooter from 3 and maybe has the best midrange shot in the draft

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What if we get pick #5. I like him a lot but not sure he is worth that, that is why I was asking.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What if we get pick #5. I like him a lot but not sure he is worth that, that is why I was asking.

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That's how I feel with Burke or Smart. At #5 I think it's a reach, but if you believe strongly enough in a prospect you should be comfortable taking that play #1 or top 3. I don't know. There is only one player I value more than burke, and that's Shabazz.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

That's how I feel with Burke or Smart. At #5 I think it's a reach, but if you believe strongly enough in a prospect you should be comfortable taking that play #1 or top 3. I don't know. There is only one player I value more than burke, and that's Shabazz.

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Many felt Sam Presti was reaching on both Westbrook and James Harden. As a GM you should never be afaird to trust your judgement. Every year we see players fall and later we come back and try to figure out how in the world so many teams past on said player.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Many felt Sam Presti was reaching on both Westbrook and James Harden. As a GM you should never be afaird to trust your judgement. Every year we see players fall and later we come back and try to figure out how in the world so many teams past on said player.

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Couldn't agree more, westbrook and harden we're both reaches, people thought they were crazy to take harden before tyreke, that's why professional scouts get paid the big bucks

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

What if we get pick #5. I like him a lot but not sure he is worth that, that is why I was asking.

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It really depends on ur big board, if u have the 5th pick and ur 6th best player on ur big board is there u take him, anyways mine goes like this

1. McLemore
2. Shabazz
3. Noel
4. Anthony Bennett
5. Otto porter
6. Trey Burke
7. Marcus smart
8. Zeller
9. Alex Len
10. Archie goodwin
11. Glen Robinson III
12. James Mcadoo

Out of all these the ones I do t want us to daft because they won't fit are Bennett, zeller or Mcadoo, I would be ecstatic with any of the rest, I think the biggest sleeper who will rise is glen Robinson who reminds me so much of the next Paul George!

Marcus Smart is climbing fast

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

Marcus Smart is climbing fast

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I've watched him and Burke a good bit this year and I can't decide who i'd rather draft. They're both VERY good.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

It really depends on ur big board, if u have the 5th pick and ur 6th best player on ur big board is there u take him, anyways mine goes like this

1. McLemore
2. Shabazz
3. Noel
4. Anthony Bennett
5. Otto porter
6. Trey Burke
7. Marcus smart
8. Zeller
9. Alex Len
10. Archie goodwin
11. Glen Robinson III
12. James Mcadoo

Out of all these the ones I do t want us to daft because they won't fit are Bennett, zeller or Mcadoo, I would be ecstatic with any of the rest, I think the biggest sleeper who will rise is glen Robinson who reminds me so much of the next Paul George!

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This is where we differ, I think Bennett would be a great fit, if he is there when we pick he will probably be the BPA and fills a need.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

This is where we differ, I think Bennett would be a great fit, if he is there when we pick he will probably be the BPA and fills a need.

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How in the world dies he fit with us? We already have davis ryno and smith at power forward? And please don't say at small forward because there is no way he could play the position, he is way to slow to defend SFs and cannot play perimeter defense, if we needed a power forward no doubt I would have him as the best player of anyone in this draft for us but we don't, right now I'd give anything to land shabazz.

I wouldn't mind grabbing a second round pick and stashing them in Europe for a few years. Someone like Sergey Kharasev, who plays the 3 for Triumph, is a good ball handler, lights out shooter and is ambidextrous would be nice. Keep him in Europe for 2 years til he is 21 and bring him over. Even someone liken Nemanja Nedovic from Lietuvas who is a combo guard (a European style- meaning he can actually play the 1 and isn't just an undersized 2) is a great athlete, good ball handler and distributor would be nice too.

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Originally Posted by carpo_07

I wouldn't mind grabbing a second round pick and stashing them in Europe for a few years. Someone like Sergey Kharasev, who plays the 3 for Triumph, is a good ball handler, lights out shooter and is ambidextrous would be nice. Keep him in Europe for 2 years til he is 21 and bring him over. Even someone liken Nemanja Nedovic from Lietuvas who is a combo guard (a European style- meaning he can actually play the 1 and isn't just an undersized 2) is a great athlete, good ball handler and distributor would be nice too.

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Love the of grabbing a Euro stash, in todays NBA its usually the smartest thing you can do with a 2nd round pick. Demps is off the Spurs model, so hopefully he likes the idea as well.

I thought this draft was supposed to be crap. Then I start reading things and all of a sudden I feel like we're choosing between an infinite amount of hall of famers between picks 1 and 15. To an extent this happens every year. What gives?

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Originally Posted by donato

I thought this draft was supposed to be crap. Then I start reading things and all of a sudden I feel like we're choosing between an infinite amount of hall of famers between picks 1 and 15. To an extent this happens every year. What gives?

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Drafts getting crapped on due to no true "Face" for it. No Davis, Rose or even Wall, noone will be a super star in here, but it should have solid role players through the end of the lottery, maybe even an all star appearance or two.

However, if you only get to win one lottery for a generation or so, this is NOT the year you want. You will get a good, but not franchise changing player.

I hate when people say a draft is trash. No one really knows what will become of these players.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I hate when people say a draft is trash. No one really knows what will become of these players.

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I think there are 5 players in this draft that have the potential to be stars in this league, key word being potential.

Noel, Bazz, McLemore, Smart and Burke. Maybe none of them end up being a franchise player, but I think those 5 have the brightest futures. I hope we land one of those five. I will be ecstatic if we do.

Solid Otto Porter footage, kinda dig the music too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1b0zsBHA78

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Originally Posted by donato

I thought this draft was supposed to be crap. Then I start reading things and all of a sudden I feel like we're choosing between an infinite amount of hall of famers between picks 1 and 15. To an extent this happens every year. What gives?

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We're going to pick between 1-15. There is good talent there. After that this draft craps off. This draft doesn't suck it's just not great.

But some of the people could be VERY solid or great.

I've watched 3-4 ucla games this year. Muhammad just doesn't impress me for some reason. I'm calling bust.

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Originally Posted by goat gorilla

I've watched 3-4 ucla games this year. Muhammad just doesn't impress me for some reason. I'm calling bust.

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I wouldn't go that far. UCLA offense makes it hard for NBA prospects to shine. Holiday and Westbrook are prime examples of it.

I think Muhammad will end up being the Eric Gordon of SFs. Great scoring, good defense, not much else, and a bit undersized. Not sure if he's a great fit with us imo.

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

I think Muhammad will end up being the Eric Gordon of SFs. Great scoring, good defense, not much else, and a bit undersized. Not sure if he's a great fit with us imo.

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Anyone at SF that can shoot is a good fit. LOL. Maybe not the best fit possible but certainly isn't someone you pass on.

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

I think Muhammad will end up being the Eric Gordon of SFs. Great scoring, good defense, not much else, and a bit undersized. Not sure if he's a great fit with us imo.

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That's why him and Aminu would be a great duo at SF for us. Completely different players. Shabazz is just what we need, imo.

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

I think Muhammad will end up being the Eric Gordon of SFs. Great scoring, good defense, not much else, and a bit undersized. Not sure if he's a great fit with us imo.

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Great scoring+ good defense = all star

Can't really see how being a great scorer with good defense is not exactly want anyone would want to draft???

I like Shabazz and Burke very much, but put a gun to my head and having the option, I would be hard pressed not to go with McLemore.....

I guess I'm not saying the guy won't make it or won't be a fine role player. I just see too many of the same qualities in him which I despise in the current Gordon (I.e. lack of rebounding, ability to completely disappear in games, etc). I just don't think he will live up to production of a top 5-10 pick. He seems to be so pedestrian at times vs college players, nba guys will just eat him alive (idk-my thoughts). I think there are a few guys in this draft that aren't top 5 picks that will end up very special players in the long run.

I'm not saying Shabazz wouldn't be a good pick. I'd be happy to have him. I'm just saying I don't think he's a great fit next to Gordon because they're both fairly one-dimmensional and are undersized. There's more to the game than just scoring. But if we take BPA over fit, I'm totally okay with that. I'm just not sure if Shabazz/Gordon is the true long term answer at the wings.

I see a Paul Pierce type of player with Shabazz so I won't be opposed to getting him, but he takes a lot of shots. He's not my first choice, I wish he was a couple inches taller. 6'6 is the size of a lot of guards and yes I'm aware that his reach is crazy long.

I'm starting to hope for Smart. Give me 4 combo guards all around 6'3 to rotate in would be awesome. Rivers, Gordon on the first team and Bledsoe and Smart for 2nd team. Still have to address SF. All are quick enough to cover small pg and tall enough to stay with most SGs. All depends where we pick and what kind of deals we can get for Vasques and Lopez.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I see a Paul Pierce type of player with Shabazz so I won't be opposed to getting him, but he takes a lot of shots. He's not my first choice, I wish he was a couple inches taller. 6'6 is the size of a lot of guards and yes I'm aware that his reach is crazy long.

I'm starting to hope for Smart. Give me 4 combo guards all around 6'3 to rotate in would be awesome. Rivers, Gordon on the first team and Bledsoe and Smart for 2nd team. Still have to address SF. All are quick enough to cover small pg and tall enough to stay with most SGs. All depends where we pick and what kind of deals we can get for Vasques and Lopez.

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I think Smart can be a good PG in a starting line up. I think he may start over Rivers, unless Rivers comes on in a big way.

Watched ucla vs Washington tonight. Shabazz was good, not great. I like the assessment of Gordon of sfs. If there's any reason I wouldn't want him is this:

While Shabazz runs right by the point guard trying to get the last shot, the ucla pg couldn't get him the ball but the pg ends up making a game winning shot. The team runs to dog pile with him. Not Shabazz, he showed no emotion at all and kinda just slowly walked over to the dog pile.

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Originally Posted by beastbowen40

Watched ucla vs Washington tonight. Shabazz was good, not great. I like the assessment of Gordon of sfs. If there's any reason I wouldn't want him is this:

While Shabazz runs right by the point guard trying to get the last shot, the ucla pg couldn't get him the ball but the pg ends up making a game winning shot. The team runs to dog pile with him. Not Shabazz, he showed no emotion at all and kinda just slowly walked over to the dog pile.

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I don't have a problem with him showing no emotions after the final shot or during the celebration. What I had a problem with was his reaction during the play. He snapped during the play. That's absolutely the worst thing you can do. It shows his lack of maturity and awareness in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I don't have a problem with him showing no emotions after the final shot or during the celebration. What I had a problem with was his reaction during the play. He snapped during the play. That's absolutely the worst thing you can do. It shows his lack of maturity and awareness in that situation.

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He was probably pissed off he didn't pass him a new Gucci backpack

I hate 22 points on 8-of-23 shooting, that's a Rudy Gay line. And people are confusing his current defense (roughly average) with defense that people are projecting for him due to his length and above average athleticism. I don't see him as a great prospect.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I don't have a problem with him showing no emotions after the final shot or during the celebration. What I had a problem with was his reaction during the play. He snapped during the play. That's absolutely the worst thing you can do. It shows his lack of maturity and awareness in that situation.

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I cannot believe an 18 year old true freshman showed a lack of maturity awareness. The only think care about is : is he a great player with a lot of upside and is he a good guy off the court. If he's 24 and has those maturity problems then we have an issue.

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

I hate 22 points on 8-of-23 shooting, that's a Rudy Gay line. And people are confusing his current defense (roughly average) with defense that people are projecting for him due to his length and above average athleticism. I don't see him as a great prospect.

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I don't know why you're fixated on the statline. His body of work is large enough for you suggest that's not the norm for him. If there's one thing no one should question, it's his ability to put the ball in the basket. Everyone has those type of nights. Even guys like Durant, Anthony, Rose, Curry, and etc.. all have been there in college. His defense isn't just average. He's an above defender with the potential to be really good...

You sound like you just dislike him for whatever reason. If you want to talk about his concerns... His legitimate ones include his rebounding rate, assist rate, Steals rate, Block rate,Turnover rate(high considering he doesn't handle the ball, isolate, or create for his teammates), and his mediocre FT% considering he's an elite shooter. He doesn't hustle enough and there's really no good reason why he doesn't.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I cannot believe an 18 year old true freshman showed a lack of maturity awareness. The only think care about is : is he a great player with a lot of upside and is he a good guy off the court. If he's 24 and has those maturity problems then we have an issue.

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Let's hope it was just one of those in the heat of the moment things that he learns and move on from. It's not the kind of attitude you want to project regardless of age.

I honestly hope we trade the pick, not all that enamored with this class.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Let's hope it was just one of those in the heat of the moment things that he learns and move on from. It's not the kind of attitude you want to project regardless of age.

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I just saw it on sportscenter. I think he's used to being "the man" and was probably promised that going to UCLA. I agree how he just walked off wasn't good but he kind of checked himself in his statement. Hopefully he learns from it.

Are there good SGs in this draft?

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I honestly hope we trade the pick, not all that enamored with this class.

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Cash considerations

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Cash considerations

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Did Shinn/Bower come back????

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I honestly hope we trade the pick, not all that enamored with this class.

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If it's around 12, who would trade up?

I'll wait. :hihi: