This isn't an issue of forgiveness. It's a question of if he still feels a certain way. If he's milking this injury because he doesn't want to play for this team. I'm all on board giving out 2nd or even 3rd chances, however only to people who truly earn them. That remains to be seen with Eric.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet
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12-22-2012, 06:44 AMda ThRONe
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12-22-2012, 08:24 AMPantazis76
IS Gordon gonna play or just sit on the bench?
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12-22-2012, 08:33 AMAUSSIE_PELICANHe said he will play by the end of this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantazis76
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12-22-2012, 08:48 AMRhythmNathanGordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}
You meant 28th.
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12-22-2012, 09:01 AMFlyGirlI heard he was gonna sit in the 300 section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantazis76
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12-22-2012, 09:03 AMAUSSIE_PELICANTechnically yes.......but I will be watching it on the 29th on Saturday afternoon here in Melbourne.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyLanta
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12-22-2012, 09:43 AMramsters60wait a minute! does that mean that you survived before most of us and didn't let us know?Quote:
Originally Posted by AUSSIE_HORNET
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12-22-2012, 10:00 AMWisconsinHornet
Gordon might never play for the Hornets again. Just a terrible situation all the way around.
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12-22-2012, 10:05 AMWisconsinHornetHis contract is a potential franchise-killer. It's Peja circa 2008 but 3 times worse. At this point the Hornets' #1 priority is protecting EG10's health so we can dump his contract in a trade. We're not going to get much in return, but in a sense EG10's injury woes have already netted us Anthony Davis and then we also took Austin Rivers with our additional pick. We'll also get a high lottery this season. As long as we don't have a max player (e.g. EG10) sitting on the bench for the next 3.5 years we'll still be okay. Benson has been a pro sports owner long enough to know that you protect your assets and cut your losses. While Shinn would have tried desperately to cling to hope beyond all reason - to the detriment of his wallet, the franchises' long-term future, and the morale of a young team (Mashburn, Baron Davis, etc), Benson isn't going to deal with this crap beyond this season, and is going to have Demps make a move.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyLanta
Fans aren't going to be happy but we need to get clear of his salary. It's going to suck to see him potentially excel for another team but it is what it is. You find a way to clear the contract, you draft another young prospect, you look for another Ryan Anderson in FA, and you continue the rebuild. -
12-22-2012, 10:05 AMhagiosIn all fairness, this is from a written article. We have no clue the context in which he made this statement...what was said before or after.Quote:
Originally Posted by The JNR
Crossing fingers that Eric comes down with a fire in his belly to prove to NOLA fans that he's worth it. A couple of games with big time performances and passion would make everyone forget really quickly. We've all already forgotten how good he actually is. -
12-22-2012, 10:16 AMhornetslover89
I think Dell Demps tried to play hardball with EG over the summer and got burnt. I understand EG's comment about his love fest for Phoenix. He was showing his hand in the negotiation process. Obviously he had the better hand because he used the Suns to trump the Hornets and they conceded. I truly believe the Hornets has the worst medical staff in the league because this dates back in history. From Peja's back injury (big contract), Gordon's knee (big contract), and Larry Johnson's back (big contract) and so on. These guys had some type of pre-condition injury before signing as free agents or given extensions.
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12-22-2012, 10:19 AMWisconsinHornetYou left off the biggest misstep. Misdiagnosing and trading Tyson Chandler killed the Chris Paul era. We'd still be a top 4 team in the west if we had retained TC6 and waited for Peja to come off the book. Imagine having Paul, West, Chandler, etc. for these past 3 seasons. We may have even competed for Western Conference titles. WE GAVE AWAY THE BEST DEFENSIVE CENTER OF THIS DECADE IN HIS PRIME FOR SCRAPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornetslover89
Further, that's the type of core like a Parker/Ginobli/Duncan that you can build a generation of fans around. If we'd have had that Big 3 in place for 8-10 years (it was very possible) the Hornets would be nearly as solid and permanent a fixture on the New Orleans landscape as the Saints and LSU are. It literally almost cost us our NBA team - luckily Stern stepped in and bailed us out. -
12-22-2012, 10:43 AMBallSoHardHuh? This comment makes no sense. Eric has to play for us to even be traded for something worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by WisconsinHornet
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12-22-2012, 11:25 AMUptownFuz504
Not playing does not help EG leave NOLA. Why does everyone think that that's what he's doing? if he really wants to be traded, he should play as many games as possible to prove his durability to other teams that doubt that he can stay healthy. That would benefit both EG and the Hornets. EG gets traded, Hornets get fair market value. That's a win win. Why is it so far fetched that dude is really hurt? What in his past proves otherwise? I agree, he never says the right thing but he is killing his career if he's faking.
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12-22-2012, 12:17 PMJJackisangry
He actually has no power this season. I do not think our team is against a tank considering our record is **** poor atm. So if he doesnt play hes not leaving. If this was a season where we are fighting for a top spot maybe, but sadly unless gordon plays a considerable amounf of games we are top 5 lottery. It would only benefit eric to play and he knows that. Having said that hes not forcing his way outta here. Id stop whining about his contract for now bc you will drive yourself nuts.
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12-22-2012, 04:11 PMRhythmNathan
Seems my buddy saw EG shopping for a house across the street from him today in Belle Chasse. Huge place 3500 sq feet. That's a good sign.
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12-22-2012, 04:39 PMluckymanGet clear of his salary? He's not a one demensional 30 year old with a injury history. He's a dynamic, young playmaker with a injury history. Big difference. If he can stop these injuries with max plus healing times, he is exactly the type of player you give a max contract to.Quote:
Originally Posted by WisconsinHornet
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12-22-2012, 05:25 PMAD23nEG10
Eric "Pudding" Gordon :hihi:
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12-22-2012, 05:31 PMLuckySunday
Regardless of EG if that article on page 3 is to believed we have a reason to be concerned. Either our medical staff is wildly incompetent or EG doctor shopped till he found one that gave him the diagnosis he liked and the problem with his knee remains.
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12-22-2012, 07:16 PMNsingh93Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}
@Jim_Eichenhofer: Dell Demps said Eric Gordon, who is working out on the NOLA hardwood as we speak, has been cleared for full contact.
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12-22-2012, 07:19 PMLoCo89
Saw this on twitter after seeing that he was cleared. From tonight apparently:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-wYLK1CUAA5_jI.jpg:large
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12-22-2012, 07:19 PMSnarlyWhere's that guy that claimed he wouldn't play until February?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nsingh93
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12-22-2012, 07:20 PM42Staff and Davis did just fine with the stress reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckySunday
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12-22-2012, 07:21 PMLoCo89Stephen Howard. Isn't that the guy who does all the pre half and post games of FSNO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
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12-22-2012, 07:21 PMEman5805So that's what he's gonna look like in 50 years when he's old and his teeth have fallen out.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoCo89
Already cleared for full contact huh? He might just see action for the first time next Friday vs the Raptors.
In 80p resolution I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoCo89
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12-22-2012, 07:29 PMbojangles837Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}Yes. And he blowsQuote:
Originally Posted by LoCo89
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12-22-2012, 07:33 PMLoCo89Ya he seemed to, I usually skip it. I just happened to record the one before the LAC game just to catch the interview with EGQuote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-22-2012, 09:55 PMWisconsinHornetlol buying a house in belle chasse will make him hate NOLA even more .Quote:
Originally Posted by MyLanta
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12-22-2012, 10:23 PMbojangles837Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}
Maybe english turn but not belle chasse
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12-22-2012, 10:38 PMRhythmNathannope, belle chasse. i'm not gonna disclose an address but it was him and that's where it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-22-2012, 10:56 PMBallSoHardMaybe he just want the be left the hell alone. Seems to be to himself. Chris Paul was the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by WisconsinHornet
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12-22-2012, 11:04 PMhagiosRe: Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}there are a couple of "English Turn-esque" subdivisions right over the Orleans/Plaq line...prob somewhere in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-22-2012, 11:05 PMFlyGirlThere are some very nice homes in Belle Chasse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyLanta
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12-23-2012, 02:53 AMTeal LanternMy thoughts exactly. I never want the team to lose, but we have the face the brutal truth this year. A fully healthy, back-in-playing shape EG might put the Hornets over the top in a couple of tight ones, but there are too many holes for him to transform it completely. Maybe Gordon helps the Hornets edge Cleveland and Washington in the final standings, but that will still have us all glued to our TVs when those ping ping balls are tumbling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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12-23-2012, 03:05 AMramsters60I guess its really no biggie in the grand scheme of things, but why in the world would you make a statement like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-23-2012, 03:17 AMThe JNRQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
I keep hearing this argument that Gordon himself won't solve all of the Hornets' problems. And there's definitely truth to that. But good players are very good at hiding holes on a team. The entire dynamic of the team will change if Eric Gordon comes back and is healthy/good on a consistent basis. Now a player like Rivers, who is a questionable starter, can get minutes from the bench, which may help him. Now he can watch EG in practice and learn how to get to the hoop better. Now we don't have to worry as much about guard penetration past our slow guards, which leads to countless 3 pointers. Now we don't have stretches like tonight in the 3rd quarter, where we went several minutes without a basket or even a good look. Now Anthony Davis learns what it's like to benefit from a player who can drive past defenders and kick. Now Monty has someone he trusts on offense and doesn't have to throw rotations at a wall to see if it sticks.
In a game where only 5 players are on the court, one player can change everything. I'm not saying Gordon will help us make a historic late push, but I do think that the team improves vastly from his mere presence. -
12-23-2012, 04:25 AMbojangles837Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}Before I respond I want to know why this angers you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ramsters60
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12-23-2012, 04:49 AMramsters60ok, I will answer your question with a statement as I had expected you to do....I am not angry, but just quite surprised when I saw you respond like that....your turn now....Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-23-2012, 06:48 AMTeal LanternThe only time one player can make that kind of difference (turning a bad team into a playoff contender) is when he is a top 10 (maybe top 5) talent in the league. The type of centers the NBA had 20 years ago (Shaq, D-Rob, Hakeem) were those type of players. Their presence changed the way the opponent attacked the basket and they each drew the kind of attention on offense which immediately gave more good looks from the rest of the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by The JNR
Can EG make that kind of difference on both ends of the court night after night? He's good, but not that good. He'll make the O much more efficient once he gets his game legs back, which might take a few games, but I don't see him helping the rebounding and defensive deficiencies enough to turn this into a .500 team. -
12-23-2012, 07:33 AMhagioswell said.Quote:
Originally Posted by The JNR
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12-23-2012, 10:31 AMThe JNRRebounding may still be a problem. But I think most if not all of our defensive problems start at the guard spot. We're too slow to guard penetration, which leads to open looks either down low or out at the 3 because people rotate to stop the ballhandler. Vasquez, Rivers, Mason, and Roberts are terrible at keeping their man in front of them, and what little I've seen of Gordon shows he can front his man. I think with Gordon guarding the quicker guards and Vasquez checking 2 guards, it may be easier for the defense to hold tight and not have to break down every play because the PG is in the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
Teams will probably still be able to attack us inside, but we should fare much better on 3 point defense, which has been abysmal thus far. -
12-23-2012, 11:34 AMNsingh93Gordon rejoins Hornets Saturday/Interesting read on EG injury page 3 {merged}
He's definitely going to give all of our players easier looks at the bucket.
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12-23-2012, 11:49 AMBallSoHardLebron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
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12-23-2012, 11:54 AMBallSoHardThis is true esp when a team is designed around said played. As I posted above, the Cavs were built around Lebron's abilities. They had a PG that could shoot the 3, who wasn't a ball handler or an offense initiator; a 2 that was primarily a defender and could hit a 3; a Stretch 4; and a hustle 5. W Lebron it was great because he could draw the defense to get them good shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by The JNR
This can be somewhat true for us, esp since we plan on letting gordon initiate and run a lot of offense, as well as cover some of the better offensive players on the opposing team. You take the engine (the dynamic playmaker) out of the car and you just have a bunch of spare parts. AD is clearly not ready (to n fault of him) to be able to do this yet. -
12-23-2012, 12:42 PMMichaelMcNamara
Cleveland was a .450 team when Lebron didn't play in his seven seasons there. The Bulls are a .600+ team without the guy their whole team is built around. The Lakers are a .604 team without Kobe.
We can keep thinking that we are a .185 win team without Gordon and a .500-.600 team with him, but that would be almost unprecedented -
12-23-2012, 12:46 PMVinny6420
I think we are a .350 win team with Gordon, this team is still young
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12-23-2012, 12:48 PMEman5805Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
Neither team could say their next most (or just most) talented player was 19 either. -
12-23-2012, 12:57 PMZolinhoThat's right, this thread needs moar PUDDIQuote:
Originally Posted by CP3nDX30
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12-23-2012, 12:58 PMGeauxSaints53
I was mad at Gordon for maybe a few weeks...But in reality, I don't blame the dude for rehabbing. I mean of all things that he needs, it's his knees. We let him get strong and we can fire up the tank.
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12-23-2012, 01:31 PMBallSoHardQuote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
"On the court, the 2010–11 season was a stark contrast from the previous season. They went from 61 wins in 2009-10 to just 19, the biggest single-season drop in NBA history. The Cavaliers were also the conference
worst. This season also saw the Cavs lose 63, including losing 26 games in a row, which set an NBA record."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clevela...les_and_Infamy
I for one have said we may be a .500 team at best with Gordon returning. Keep on trying.