It'll be nice just having a big man who'll attack the glass with gusto again.
It's all about the physical. Man, someone needs to pay off some Charlotte doctors...
It'll be nice just having a big man who'll attack the glass with gusto again.
It's all about the physical. Man, someone needs to pay off some Charlotte doctors...
This trade doesn't make any sense
Okafor is committed to a 5 year, 65 million contract, while Chandler has 2 years and 24 million. I thought the whole reasoning for want to dump Chandler was to save money. I really don't see how paying 38 million over the next 3 years is saving money.
The only way this trade would even be remotely possible is if we throw in Posey or Peterson while Charlotte adds someone like Raja Bell or Vladmir Radmanovic
Well he would be much better for sure...
We just need an other big guy of the bench, a 7'0 ft shoot block would be nice. We don't need a low post player since we can have West and Okafor. Johan preto for exemple would be nice...
And LOL at the thought of Charlotte sending over Gerald Wallace too. Don't get your hopes up peope
I still have to wonder what else is involved. For the Bobcats, I just don't get it.
they are willing to pay a player a large amount of money for that player to play and contribute not be hurt half the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Shhhh. Not too loud. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Defuz
I REALLY hope the several months between physicals makes a difference. Cuz hearing that this trade went caput is an egg I don't think I can swallow.
Two potential catches here:
1.) Chandler fails the physical
2.) We offered up some valuable pieces for Okafor, more than being reported.
That's all I can think of at this moment.
But the team will be in cap hell for the next 5 years. There's no way their just going to straight up swap players. Some other incentive or players must be involved
This trade is just mind boggling
Aside from something downright insane like CP3, only valuable piece I can imagine is trading one of our rookies or David West.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
I'm thinkin' we're offering a 1st round pick as well.
Edit: I guess you could say JuJu counts as valuable too.
Gaagagagagaga I cannot stop stuttering...I called my dad whose a Bobcats fan...he wasn't too happy!!!!! Geaux Hornets!!!!! I'm ready for NBA 2K10!!!!!
Only thing about number two is that any of our "valuable" peices would add significant salary to the deal and would require something greater back from CHA. Unless it was one of the rooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Shut up and enjoy the glee. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Charlotte has some contracts to throw in if that's the case.
Didn't know if I should put this update here or in existing thread. Sorry if I goofed. It's an update on the CBSSportsline version of the trade story:
...The swap of 26-year-old centers wasn't expected to be completed until Tuesday and was unlikely to include other players, the people said on condition of anonymity because an official announcement has not been made...
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11991413
if we were offering David West, he would be the headliner. I can only imagine Wright being a valuable guy leaving. This is going to be the most anxious physical ever
If this turns out to be true, and Chandler fails another physical, I'm going to be one angry ****** ******.
No..people ran with the story that trading Chandler was a salary dump. We tried trading Chandler because he's an injured player who is not very good any more. The trade was to MAKE US BETTER. Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox combined would have blown away having Chandler. Forget salaries...Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
To get ANYBODY for Chandler would be huge. To get Okafor?! Wow.
His word is gold..this is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam the Legend
key words: wasn't expected.
I think #2 is more likely... but the way I've seen the deal reported is just a straight swap: big man for big man. So "valuable pieces... more than being reported" could be something as little as "Antonio Daniels + Devin Brown." And I'm sure most people would be fine with that, haha. That's what I'm hoping the scenario is, because that would give us some immediate relief with salaries, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
If it's just Chandler for Okafor, I'll be extremely excited for the season (think... about as excited as everyone was right before the 08-09 season). If it's Chandler + pieces for Okafor, I'm positive I can live with it... however it might shake down. In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing this deal be completed tonight.
i never realized they were the same age. I keep thinking Okafor is 3 or 4 years younger
x2Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Okafor gives you an inside presence on both ends of the court. Defensively, he's always been a solid shot-blocker which will be nice. Am I at least more hopeful for next season if this deal goes through? Sure. Do I think we can hang with LAL? Hell no.
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Originally Posted by CP3nDX30
That's cause chandler has been in the league 3 or 4 more years.. one went to UCONN other came straight to pros
if i had to guess, they are struggling support wise, trying to lock up their pg and have the potential of the cap dropping for a team that may make a run at the 8 seed with all the other teams in the east vastly improving. their owner is also selling the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defuz
So now it makes a little more sense, but we would still be paying him 38 million more.Quote:
While Okafor has a longer contract, the players make about the same each year, making it an easier deal to fit under the salary cap. Chandler is owed $11.8 million in the 2009-10 season, and he could exercise his option for the 2010-11 season to increase that to $12.7 million.
I'm still not completely sold on this trade though. Something else has to be involved to make this work. I guess Charlotte could benefit from this trade because they have Radmanovic and Mohammed coming off their payroll next year.
if this goes through it's one of the biggest turnarounds ever. the TP won't know what to do with their backlog of "the Hornets are just waiting it out this offseason" articles.
thumbs up to Bower for pulling this off (if it goes through).
Okafor is younger....in NBA years. He went to college and played a college schedule. Tyson went straight to the NBA from High School. Tyson's played a lot more long seasons than Okafor and has a lot more wear and tear.
When talking about the money for the length of Okafor's deal don't forget that replaacing Tyson in two years wouldn"t have been cheap either.
I sure hope this is still his girlfriend
http://www.ebsports.net/blog/gf/meka.jpg
The deal is basically done...
Wow, shes almost a cute as one of my female "associates"Quote:
Originally Posted by CP3nDX30
if you look at the financial point of view; it saves us 2 mill next year and 3 the year after after taking the luxury tax in effect
and you say we will be in cap hell, but not really, we probably assumed after the ben wallace buyout that we werent going to be able to trade chandler to cut significant payroll so we opted to get better in terms of talent; in 2 yrs peja's contract comes off the books, so we won't be in cap hell after that point
i remember CP3 &11 others was talking about getting flexibility and then making a trade to get a quality center for the forseeable future(he mentioned bogut as a possibility), well we got the quality center now for the forseeable future
I haven't heard anything regarding "pending a physical"
So I don't know, maybe we don't even have to worry if he passes a physical or not. I just hope this doesn't get rescinded
this trade is so clearly a win for us and a loss for them... count me in the camp that thinks there has to be something more to it.
Don't be so pessimistic..there could be more changes made from now till the All-Star break...not including this deal being DONE!!!!! Wooohoooooo!Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaDante
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Originally Posted by CP4MVP
exactly, thanks for saving me some time
so they trade a player that has has back issues in the past that has 5 years left on his deal for a player that has foot issues but only 2 years left on his deal...
Obviously I would love this trade, but its not as insane as some of you think.. they must know something about Okafor like we know about Chandler..
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Originally Posted by CP4MVP
The media is full of idiots. We said from the begining that the Hornets weren't trying to dump Chandler for salary relief. We said that it had everything to do with his injury status and limited prospect for future success in the NBA. Time will tell on that last part, but, once again, this should put the rest the notion that the Hornets are cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by media
I don't normally plug this site, but it should be fairly evident that this is the premier place for all things Hornets.
Now, let's find out if any of these players can pass their physicals.
As long as it doesn't involve Paul/Wright/Thornton/Collison..I'm good...If JuJu is a goner..he will be missed...I wouldn't mind the spare parts making this deal look likeQuote:
Originally Posted by neworleanshoo
Hornets send:
Chandler
Butler
Peterson
Bobcats send
Okafor
Mohammed
Bell
PG - Paul/Collison/Daniels
SG - Bell/Thornton/Brown
SF - Wright/Peja/Posey (wont have 3rd string mins)
PF - West/Armstrong/FA
C - Okafor/Mohammed
* 1 open roster spot
* Adds less than $250,000 dollars to next seasons salary
He was in Brown's dog house. From Yahoo Sports -
Okafor was the No. 2 overall pick—after Orlando took Dwight Howard(notes)—in the 2004 draft. Okafor was the first pick in franchise history and the Bobcats re-signed him to a six-year, $72 million deal before last season.
The 6-foot-10 Okafor averaged 13.2 points and 10.1 rebounds for Charlotte last season. But Brown questioned his passion at the end of the season.
“I tease him that he’s got an A in stretching and pilates and yoga. I want him to have an A in basketball,” Brown said two days after Charlotte finished 35-47. “It makes older people feel great, but he’s got to work on his game. … There’s no better guy than him, I just want him to have a passion to play the sport because it ends so quickly.”
Chandler is taller, at 7-1, but averaged only 8.8 points and 8.3 rebounds in an unsettling season that saw him traded to Oklahoma City, then returned to New Orleans. The deal was rescinded because the Thunder had concerns about a left toe injury.
Chandler later had a left ankle injury that kept him out of the Hornets’ final playoff game. He underwent surgery on his toe and ankle in May, but Hornets officials said he would be ready for training camp.
The Hornets don’t figure to have injury concerns with Okafor, who has played all 82 games in each of the past two seasons. While he is a solid rebounder, he has struggled offensively and is a poor free-throw shooter.
While Okafor has a longer contract, the players make about the same each year, making it an easier deal to fit under the salary cap. Chandler is owed $11.8 million in the 2009-10 season, and he could exercise his option for the 2010-11 season to increase that to $12.7 million.
Chandler’s shorter contract could help the Bobcats get long-term salary-cap relief and lower payroll for owner Bob Johnson, who is looking to sell the team after deep financial losses.
Once completed, it would mark the fourth major trade for the Bobcats since Brown took his NBA record ninth head coaching job. The team, which will begin its sixth season in the fall, is still looking for its first playoff berth.
It's a good trade imo. It's not as one-sided as everyone thinks. This is not the Gasol deal all over again, but it definitely favors the Hornets.
The key to this deal will be how much Okafor improves having a real PG to deliver the ball to him. Felton/Augustine are ok, but we all know they are nothing compared to Paul.
I'm not overly worried about Chandler failing the physical. I think the Bobcats will probably waive that anyway. Didn't he just have surgery? I doubt he would pass right now because of that anyway.
Now they need to find a way to dump Peterson. I'm pretty certain we're stuck with Peja.
I don't know that Emeka Okafor is a better person than Tyson Chandler as I really like TC the person but I would have to say that Okafor is the better basketball player. Emeka is a better scorer, rebounder, low-post defender, shot-blocker, and averages less personal fouls than Tyson Chandler. I would also expect a 3-5 ppg bump for Okafor playing with Chris Paul and increased production by David West. If this trade goes through, as we expect it to, tremendous win for the Hornets.
And finally, this should shut up the nay-sayers who swear that the Hornets are only trying to dump salary and have no interest in fielding a winner. Taking on the extra $40M on Okafor's contract is a huge statement by ownership, especially in this economy. Bower should win GM of the year if he pulls off a one-for-one swap.
You could be right if the Bobcats are looking to dump salary, and we have all heard about their economic woes. Still, I'd be hesitant to assign reasons to an org I don't know much about it. Of course, the media has no problem doing this. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ULsaint
I'm hoping that he is just healthy.
This deal doesn't make the Hornets a title contender imo but it does put them back in the playoffs for sure.
I still think they are significantly behind LAL, Portland and possibly Denver and San Antonio.
This does put them imo clearly over Dallas and Houston, which the Hornets had fallen behind last season.
Dallas' offseason has been a disaster. Marion was an ok signing but Gooden and re-signing Kidd was horrible. Houston is going to be a pain in the *** and maybe the lowest scoring team in the league. SA will be tough if they stay healthy.
Portland is going to be awesome.
I thought the whole reasoning for wanting to trade Chandler was for salary relief. The Hornets are way over the luxury tax and Chandler is injury prone so there was the main reasoning for wanting to dump him.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet
They wanted to move him because of his health status. He became expendable when he proved to be a liability, especially in light of his contract. At any rate, we reported this over and over here. Some believed us, some didn't. :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo