Bring back CP3

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

But all those guys were proven needle movers. Bosh was the worse of the 3 and he would routinely take a decent Raptors team to the playoffs.

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AD is the best 4 in the NBA and Cousins is the best 5 in the NBA. If you don't think those two guys are needle movers... LOL

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

AD is the best 4 in the NBA and Cousins is the best 5 in the NBA. If you don't think those two guys are needle movers... LOL

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What have they moved that's so funny?

What they have done individually may not be great but I do think together they are needle movers. We had a small sample size of what they can do. I think if we resign Jrue we are in conference finals and if we can miraculously get George we could potentially get to the finals. I'm putting fanatics back in fan! (Yes I'm aware it's backwards)

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

What have they moved that's so funny?

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You are implying that one star can carry an entire team in today's NBA, and therefore because the Kings and Pelicans weren't contenders with 1 star and a poorly designed supporting cast, that should reflect badly on AD and Boogie. Your entire premise is flawed beyond hope of repair.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

What they have done individually may not be great but I do think together they are needle movers. We had a small sample size of what they can do. I think if we resign Jrue we are in conference finals and if we can miraculously get George we could potentially get to the finals. I'm putting fanatics back in fan! (Yes I'm aware it's backwards)

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People are weird in a sense that something either has to be a praise or an insult. If we want to talk about potential that's an entirely different story. However if we are talking about past accomplishments neither Davis nor Cousins can be considered "needle movers" at this point even together. Sure I rather have them then not but if you're Paul and you are willing to leave L.A. for a chance to win a title why would coming back here be on your radar based on actual core success?

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

What they have done individually may not be great but I do think together they are needle movers. We had a small sample size of what they can do. I think if we resign Jrue we are in conference finals and if we can miraculously get George we could potentially get to the finals. I'm putting fanatics back in fan! (Yes I'm aware it's backwards)

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Are you Serious? Jrue makes 0 difference in making this club advance anymore than the 30 wins a year we have shown in 155 games he has played in out of 4 years he has been a Pelican.
Did you not see him this season against the playoff guards in the league? He is a turnover machine and doesnt pocess the skill set to win over anyone off the dribble.
Go watch the March 15 game against the Heat. He was schooled for 33 points in a loss that the fanchise claims that the month of March was the reason Genrty keep his job due to improvement.
I stand firm on we need a Real Legit Point Guard to make a difference. Jrue is not the answer at the 1 or 2. If we want change we need to make changes otherwise we will have the same results with the same players.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

You are implying that one star can carry an entire team in today's NBA, and therefore because the Kings and Pelicans weren't contenders with 1 star and a poorly designed supporting cast, that should reflect badly on AD and Boogie. Your entire premise is flawed beyond hope of repair.

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Oh you mean like James Harden, Russell Westbrook, and Paul George? Look I get situations aren't always fair (especially for Boogie), but at some point it's excuses. Our team has been talented enough to be consistently over the course of Davis' career if Anthony was a true needle mover. He's still 24 years old 3 or 4 years away from his prime like the names I listed. Those are all things to feel very positive about, however lets stop talking like these twonhave walked the walk just yet.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Oh you mean like James Harden, Russell Westbrook, and Paul George? Look I get situations aren't always fair (especially for Boogie), but at some point it's excuses. Our team has been talented enough to be consistently over the course of Davis' career if Anthony was a true needle mover. He's still 24 years old 3 or 4 years away from his prime like the names I listed. Those are all things to feel very positive about, however lets stop talking like these twonhave walked the walk just yet.

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No, what you need to do is stop talking like AD and Cousins aren't two franchise players, best in the NBA at their positions, who get selected to represent USA in the Olympics as the best of the best. You sound like fool talking about they aren't needle movers.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

No, what you need to do is stop talking like AD and Cousins aren't two franchise players, best in the NBA at their positions, who get selected to represent USA in the Olympics as the best of the best. You sound like fool talking about they aren't needle movers.

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Again what needle have they moved? They are both great young players. Franchise player doesn't denote needle mover. Nothing you have said addresses my point.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again what needle have they moved? They are both great young players. Franchise player doesn't denote needle mover. Nothing you have said addresses my point.

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I addressed your point very clearly. You can't evaluate a single player's value based on the performance of his team when the rest of the team clearly isn't set up well. That is your whole premise, and its ignorant. The idea of players being a "needle mover" (something that excludes AD and Cousins) is just a dumb term that you use but no respectable front office would evaluate a player in this way. Consider your point thoroughly addressed and dismissed.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again what needle have they moved? They are both great young players. Franchise player doesn't denote needle mover. Nothing you have said addresses my point.

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I clearly understand your point. Fans has to understand players don't care about Potential, they wanna play with talented players who provide results.

The negativity around here has gotten to a ridiculous level, considering our two star big men. People are acting like we're still the same team that had Tyreke as it's second best player. Regardless of qhat we do rhis off-season, we will be a playoff team. If we make the right moves, we could be a top 4 seed in the next year or two. Cheer up, you negative Nancy's. :grphug:

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I clearly understand your point. Fans has to understand players don't care about Potential, they wanna play with talented players who provide results.

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Cousins and AD aren't players with potential. They are the best front court tandem in the NBA. Yes they can both still improve and likely will, but as of today they are already the best front court in the NBA. So it's not about "potential".

The Kings front office was the biggest joke in the NBA the past few years. The Pelicans were a mess of mismatched parts, disgruntled players, bad contracts, coaching and front office instability. These are the reasons for the teams failure to contend. To ignore all these variables and simply place the blame on AD and Cousins not being "needle movers" is so dumb it hurts to even think it.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Again what needle have they moved? They are both great young players. Franchise player doesn't denote needle mover. Nothing you have said addresses my point.

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What needle did Michael Jordan move prior to 1990? Was in the league 6 years by then. Are you serious?

Pointing out liabilities is not negative sorry.
Making Magic Carpet dreams about a 60 win team in 2 years is not realistic.
This team is players away from getting back to 45 wins. Just signing Jrue changes nothing.
We are all fans so let's be real not believing what Demps says or Gentry says.
A franchise is what it's record says no more no less.

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Pointing out liabilities is not negative sorry.
Making Magic Carpet dreams about a 60 win team in 2 years is not realistic.
This team is players away from getting back to 45 wins. Just signing Jrue changes nothing.
We are all fans so let's be real not believing what Demps says or Gentry says.
A franchise is what it's record says no more no less.

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The title of this thread is "bring back CP3". Nowhere in this thread are people saying that signing Jrue is going to change everything. In fact, the whole point of this thread is that we should try to replace Jrue with CP3. If the Pelicans added CP3 to the current roster, New Orleans would be immediately become the best team in the west behind the Warriors.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

The negativity around here has gotten to a ridiculous level, considering our two star big men. People are acting like we're still the same team that had Tyreke as it's second best player. Regardless of qhat we do rhis off-season, we will be a playoff team. If we make the right moves, we could be a top 4 seed in the next year or two. Cheer up, you negative Nancy's. :grphug:

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THANK YOU!!!!!!! Exactly what Im saying

A lot of people are going to shut up once the season starts and we are winning.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

I addressed your point very clearly. You can't evaluate a single player's value based on the performance of his team when the rest of the team clearly isn't set up well. That is your whole premise, and its ignorant. The idea of players being a "needle mover" (something that excludes AD and Cousins) is just a dumb term that you use but no respectable front office would evaluate a player in this way. Consider your point thoroughly addressed and dismissed.

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Does OKC have multiple stars, Houston, or Indiana? Yet all three made the playoffs. Why? Because they have guys that at this stage are going to make the playoffs with minimal talent. You haven't discredited my point you are making excuses. We were in the running for a playoff spot after the trade. What happened? We had the two best big men at their respective position. You think we bring in Curry, Harden, Westbrook, George, Butler, Durant, James, Leonard after allstar we miss the playoffs? Look Davis and Cousins could very well kill it next year and we get a home playoffs series or 2. But until they do it in the minds of superstars they'll have obvious doubt. Which is the point I'm making.

If Cousins and Davis are this made pair why aren't the top FA mentioning us as their main destination? Because they don't know that if they come here they'll instantly compete for titles.

It's as simple as "Oh, we didn't win 30 games in row once we got Cousins." So this won't work out, I guess.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

What the Spurs did in 1999 doesn't have a single thing to do with 2017. You are talking about an era when Ginobli, Parker, Duncan were all in their primes. That time is gone now. The Spurs have the greatest NBA coach as well as 1 great player in Kawhi, but I notice that you failed to name another player besides him in your response. That right there says it all.

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It's a ongoing streak of excellence. It's easy to say winning in 1999 doesn't matter. It's harder to say winning every year doesn't matter. Again, it's an ongoing streak. That mean's the Spurs ARE STILL winning, and winning a lot. The Spurs won 61 games LAST year, and made it to the WCF. The year before they finished with 67 wins, and according to FiveThirtyEight, posted the 7th highest ELO rating of all-time: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...cid=538twitter.

This notion that they are no longer good is beyond ridiculous, particularly when comparing them with the Pelicans. Yes, it's harder to qualify why they're STILL good. But that does nothing to change the fact that they still go out, perform, and win a ********ton of games. That fact was true 20 years ago. That fact remains true NOW.

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The Pelicans were without Boogie for most of the year (and without Jrue as well). A Pelicans team that has no Cousins and no CP3 is not the same as the Pelicans team with CP3 and Cousins.

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I mean, yeah. I don't know why you felt the need to make that point, but okay. I'm sure you'll elaborate on that in a response, should you feel the need to make one. If I had to guess, you're saying the Pels with CP3 would be better than a Pels team without CP3, which isn't debatable. The "debatable" aspect is whether the Spurs + CP3 > Pelicans + CP3. Logic dictates that a 60 win team + CP3= a really ********ing good team.

Regardless, none of my posts have disputed that Boogie + AD, and whatever garbage we put around them, can't be a good team in the future. But we can't skip steps. We haven't proven that our talent can translate into wins YET. As Silverfoxx has said, the free agents will come ONCE we win. Until then, we need to tamper our FA expectations, particularly given our lack of cap flexibility.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Cousins and AD aren't players with potential. They are the best front court tandem in the NBA. Yes they can both still improve and likely will, but as of today they are already the best front court in the NBA. So it's not about "potential".

The Kings front office was the biggest joke in the NBA the past few years. The Pelicans were a mess of mismatched parts, disgruntled players, bad contracts, coaching and front office instability. These are the reasons for the teams failure to contend. To ignore all these variables and simply place the blame on AD and Cousins not being "needle movers" is so dumb it hurts to even think it.

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There potential is based on the fact that they are not proven winners yet. It simply works like this: we have a winning season, make the playoffs, win some games, then Free agents will come. You guys are only at our team "on paper" when this tandem hasn't shown enough winning yet. I expect us to do so, so I'm not worried about this year free agency.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Does OKC have multiple stars, Houston, or Indiana? Yet all three made the playoffs. Why? Because they have guys that at this stage are going to make the playoffs with minimal talent. You haven't discredited my point you are making excuses. We were in the running for a playoff spot after the trade. What happened? We had the two best big men at their respective position. You think we bring in Curry, Harden, Westbrook, George, Butler, Durant, James, Leonard after allstar we miss the playoffs? Look Davis and Cousins could very well kill it next year and we get a home playoffs series or 2. But until they do it in the minds of superstars they'll have obvious doubt. Which is the point I'm making.

If Cousins and Davis are this made pair why aren't the top FA mentioning us as their main destination? Because they don't know that if they come here they'll instantly compete for titles.

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Superstars respect other superstars. NBA players definitely recognize AD and Cousins as both elite level dream team caliber players. The Kings and Pelicans did not have success for a variety of reasons as already described. It was not because of AD or Cousins.

Indiana plays in the west and they still barely made it above .500. Are you kidding me? Houston doesn't have multiple elite players, but what they do have is a coherently designed supporting cast around Harden with a plan that makes sense. Adding CP3 would disrupt their plan because Harden and Paul are both the primary ball handlers. The Pelicans are a team with the best front court in the NBA and a wide open spot for a PG like Paul.

If CP3 aligned with Boogie and AD, the Pelicans are instantly competing for titles. The Pelicans had no time to prepare a vision with Boogie and AD after the all star break. Its ridiculous to act like that small sample size of games is an accurate reflection of what to expect for next year. Even you know this because you are leaving yourself wiggle room so that when AD and Cousins take over the league you won't sound completely foolish.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Does OKC have multiple stars, Houston, or Indiana? Yet all three made the playoffs. Why? Because they have guys that at this stage are going to make the playoffs with minimal talent. You haven't discredited my point you are making excuses. We were in the running for a playoff spot after the trade. What happened? We had the two best big men at their respective position. You think we bring in Curry, Harden, Westbrook, George, Butler, Durant, James, Leonard after allstar we miss the playoffs? Look Davis and Cousins could very well kill it next year and we get a home playoffs series or 2. But until they do it in the minds of superstars they'll have obvious doubt. Which is the point I'm making.

If Cousins and Davis are this made pair why aren't the top FA mentioning us as their main destination? Because they don't know that if they come here they'll instantly compete for titles.

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All those teams made the playoffs because they had established 6th, 7th, and 8th men on their teams. Not only that, but they had been there since training camp. After the Cousins trade, Dell had to go deep mining for diamonds and luckily they found Crawford. Even one of the guys meant to be here after that trade got hurt. In case you forgot, Etwaun Moore had to be inserted into the starting lineup after the trade. The team was gutted including that injury to Casspi.

So yes, all of those players could have come here after the break and this team would have still missed the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's as simple as "Oh, we didn't win 30 games in row once we got Cousins." So this won't work out, I guess.

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Who's saying it won't work?