Lets Rank Jrue Holiday

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

I would offer Jrue whatever he can get on the market plus extra year because of having his bird rights. If that is 30m try to do a sign and trade, Regardless, I would take a shot at both Patty Mills and Shawn Livingston in addition to the current look at JJ

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Can't do a S&T w/ 5th year.

Free agent targets aren't the only thing.
I think we sign Jrue to the max and then go after Ricky Rubio as our PG. He could be had after the draft when we can trade our 2018 first.

Having both Holiday and Rubio in the back court would be brutal.

But at least can keep till after we lock up Boggie in '18 and if we want to shop then, that would be doable right?

Patty Mills intrigues me. What kind of contract do you guys see him getting? I imagine it'll be a 3-4 yr contract at about 13-15m annually.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Patty Mills intrigues me. What kind of contract do you guys see him getting? I imagine it'll be a 3-4 yr contract at about 13-15m annually.

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Pretty sure all we can offer him is the MLE

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Free agent targets aren't the only thing.
I think we sign Jrue to the max and then go after Ricky Rubio as our PG. He could be had after the draft when we can trade our 2018 first.

Having both Holiday and Rubio in the back court would be brutal.

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I doubt Rubio wants to be a backup

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Free agent targets aren't the only thing.
I think we sign Jrue to the max and then go after Ricky Rubio as our PG. He could be had after the draft when we can trade our 2018 first.

Having both Holiday and Rubio in the back court would be brutal.

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That is interesting. I've wondered if Holiday would be better suited as combo SG guard alongside another true PG.

I honestly think Rubio can be had in the offseason.
He is owed 14M in 2017/18
If we spend our cap space on Rubio we will have a nice backcourt.

Rubio/Frazier
Holiday/Moore
Hill/Q-Pon
Davis/Diallo
Cousins/Ajinca/Asik

Then use the bird rights to re-sign Casspi and Cunningham as we have their bird rights and can go over the cap to do so.

Rubio/Frazier/2nd rounder
Holiday/Moore
Hill/Casspi/Q-Pon
Davis/Cunningham/Diallo
Cousins/Ajinca/Asik

Then try again in 2017/18 to get rid of both Asik and Ajinca. Stretch Asik if you can't. Dont see it as crucial this year as we aren't a max team this offseason but will certainly the year Cousins in a FA.

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Originally Posted by tyler

I doubt Rubio wants to be a backup

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He wouldn't be.

Rubio PG and Holiday (combo guard)
Them two sharing the ball duties would be a thing of beauty.

Jrue has been the best PG in the NBA over the last month with his stats. But one bad game and now it's back to he's not the guy. LoL

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Jrue has been the best PG in the NBA over the last month with his stats. But one bad game and now it's back to he's not the guy. LoL

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He not bad. He just isn't a pass first PG that Gentry needs for his system to be successful.
I still want to keep him, but play him off the ball where he excels.

It's simple.
You either get rid of Gentry and hire a coach which compliments the players (AD and DC) or you get players to suit Gentry.

I think it would be wise to hang onto Gentry until both Holiday and Cousins are locked here long term.

Know it's early, but I sorted through the upcoming available free agents for good, realistic fits. Apparently, since we'll be over the cap, we only have the MLE (~8.5mil) and minimum contracts, and then going over the cap to sign our own free agents (Holiday and Casspi.. not sure if Cunningham has bird rights, but probably can let him go anyway).

Full MLE possibilities:

Justin Holiday
T. Snell (R)
C.J. Miles (PO)
S. Muhammad (R)

P. Mills
D. Collison

Min. contract or part of MLE possibilities:

B. Rush
G. Green
R. Foye
A. Brooks
A. Anderson
Calderon
J. Meeks
J. McRae
R. Felton
A. Morrow

Unprobable possibilites due to out of price-range, likelihood to re-sign with their teams, or not a good fit due to lack of shooting or attitude/personal concerns:

KCP (R)
Hardaway Jr. (R)
Iguodala
J. Simmons (R)
J. Ingles (R)
T. Sefolosha
Shaun Livingston
Stuckey (PO)
N. Young (PO)
L. Babbitt
D. Waiters (PO)
P.J. Tucker

Sign two new wing/guard players, then go over the cap to re-sign Holiday and Casspi. And of course, try and trade away or stretch the contracts of Asik and Ajinca, and Hill, Moore and Frazier if possible for upgrades. Possibly sign a minimum contract big man for depth.

Cousins
Davis
Casspi
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Holiday

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I honestly think Rubio can be had in the offseason.
He is owed 14M in 2017/18
If we spend our cap space on Rubio we will have a nice backcourt.

Rubio/Frazier
Holiday/Moore
Hill/Q-Pon
Davis/Diallo
Cousins/Ajinca/Asik

Then use the bird rights to re-sign Casspi and Cunningham as we have their bird rights and can go over the cap to do so.

Rubio/Frazier/2nd rounder
Holiday/Moore
Hill/Casspi/Q-Pon
Davis/Cunningham/Diallo
Cousins/Ajinca/Asik

Then try again in 2017/18 to get rid of both Asik and Ajinca. Stretch Asik if you can't. Dont see it as crucial this year as we aren't a max team this offseason but will certainly the year Cousins in a FA.

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That sounds like a good plan. Although, what would the trade be to get Rubio from the T'Wolves? We don't have expiring contracts to trade for him. And I think Casspi as the more reliable 3-point shooter should start if the shooting-hindered Rubio would be starting.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

That sounds like a good plan. Although, what would the trade be to get Rubio from the T'Wolves? We don't have expiring contracts to trade for him. And I think Casspi as the more reliable 3-point shooter should start if the shooting-hindered Rubio would be starting.

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He could of been had for a first rounder this last trade deadline.
I say offer our 2018 pick and we get him in the offseason.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

He could of been had for a first rounder this last trade deadline.
I say offer our 2018 pick and we get him in the offseason.

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Yea but since we'll be at or over the cap, we would have to send out near equal salary in return.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Pretty sure all we can offer him is the MLE

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With some easy adjustments we can offer much more than the MLE.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

With some easy adjustments we can offer much more than the MLE.

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Oh yea? I thought even with stretching Asik's contract we would still be over the cap due to Holiday's cap hold.

Buyout Ajinca and Qpon this year and we'll have that 8 million to spend. I don't know how that works against the cap. I'd think Ajinca would take 2 mil and next year I'm sure he'll get a contract about where he's at now but even if he make 3 mil he doesn't lose money. Qpon give him 1.5 and if he plays next year he'd at least get league min so neither would lose much money if any. Frees up 2 roster spots for some young players.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Oh yea? I thought even with stretching Asik's contract we would still be over the cap due to Holiday's cap hold.

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Depends on what we do with Ajinca and Omri, and If Cunningham opts out or not. Stretch Asik is part of it too.

Mason has the numbers on it all but I think we could potentially have ~30m cleared if we get everyone off our books who can easily be removed (including Jrue) or something like 13-14m keeping Jrue's cap hold.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Jrue has been the best PG in the NBA over the last month with his stats. But one bad game and now it's back to he's not the guy. LoL

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Wrong. John Wall.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Depends on what we do with Ajinca and Omri, and If Cunningham opts out or not. Stretch Asik is part of it too.

Mason has the numbers on it all but I think we could potentially have ~30m cleared if we get everyone off our books who can easily be removed (including Jrue) or something like 13-14m keeping Jrue's cap hold.

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Ok yea I'm seeing that article here: http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...17-off-season/

Looks like stretching Asik would only save 6.2mil this off-season. Which could get them under the cap, but I think then they would only have a lesser exception to spend since they're under the cap.

And I'm really not seeing a team trading for Ajinca's remaining contract this offseason, unless a 1st rounder is included, which they shouldn't do.

We'll see I guess. Should be interesting, but it's a far off time from now.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

Buyout Ajinca and Qpon this year and we'll have that 8 million to spend. I don't know how that works against the cap. I'd think Ajinca would take 2 mil and next year I'm sure he'll get a contract about where he's at now but even if he make 3 mil he doesn't lose money. Qpon give him 1.5 and if he plays next year he'd at least get league min so neither would lose much money if any. Frees up 2 roster spots for some young players.

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Yea, when you buyout players, their full contracts still stay on the cap.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Ok yea I'm seeing that article here: http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...17-off-season/

Looks like stretching Asik would only save 6.2mil this off-season. Which could get them under the cap, but I think then they would only have a lesser exception to spend since they're under the cap.

And I'm really not seeing a team trading for Ajinca's remaining contract this offseason, unless a 1st rounder is included, which they shouldn't do.

We'll see I guess. Should be interesting, but it's a far off time from now.

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Ajinca could be moved possibly straight up this summer or worst case with a 2nd attached. No way would it cost a 1st.

Then you have Cunningham who is likely to opt out, and it starts depending on which cap holds you want to keep. If Jrue agrees to resign then we have future picks to start using to clear contracts and bring back maybe a bigger player this summer too.

It's definitely going to be interesting.

If the Rubio trade were possible, that would be pretty exciting.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Jrue has been the best PG in the NBA over the last month with his stats. But one bad game and now it's back to he's not the guy. LoL

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It's not that he's not a good PG. He's just not a max player in my eyes. I know the Pelicans consider him one of the big 3 and will most likely offer him the max or close to but I still disagree with it