[S5] Weeks 13-14 Results

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

And to take it further, I could be wrong on this, but I think you might have the whole thing backwards.
You might be able to go over the cap to resign your own players regardless of Bird Years.

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How would that be backwards

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

And to take it further, I could be wrong on this, but I think you might have the whole thing backwards.
You might be able to go over the cap to resign your own players regardless of Bird Years.

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You can sign your own players to go over the cap. That is true.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You can sign your own players to go over the cap. That is true.

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If you have bird rights? Because what blew this thing wide open a few (sim) seasons ago was when I rejected Marshall but spent the entire FA sim trying to resign him and go over the cap. But all my offers were void because I could only offer vet min because I lost his bird rights after rejecting him and was over the cap.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

How would that be backwards

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It appeared like you were thinking that Bird rights was strictly the ability to go over the cap, when in reality they are the ability to offer more years at a higher percentage.

That is just the way I was understanding your explanation.

This is what threw me off:

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Bird right give you ability to go over the cap to sign the player, don't think it effects the max u can give a player, or least it shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

If you have bird rights? Because what blew this thing wide open a few (sim) seasons ago was when I rejected Marshall but spent the entire FA sim trying to resign him and go over the cap. But all my offers were void because I could only offer vet min because I lost his bird rights after rejecting him and was over the cap.

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Yes because when you rejected, you relenquished all rights. 3 year and regular, so it became as if he was never on the team at all.

Lesson here: If you reject a player offer, chances are he will not be coming back. I'm sorry that it happened to you, but it was something that the whole league was able to learn from.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

If you have bird rights? Because what blew this thing wide open a few (sim) seasons ago was when I rejected Marshall but spent the entire FA sim trying to resign him and go over the cap. But all my offers were void because I could only offer vet min because I lost his bird rights after rejecting him and was over the cap.

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Actually now that i think about it iirc, if you decline it's like they were never on your team. So that's why u can't sign them over the cap. When u look at them in fa it says previous team: n/a which wouldn't let you go over. This happened to me w pryzbillax

OK we need clarification on these stuff.

This is what I get from the conversation here.

1. If you decline the initial offer(1st deal given by the game) you dont only lose his bird rights, but the game would treat it as if the player was never on your team.

2. he will fall under this category.

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If a player is signing with a new team:

1) The contract can be for up to 6 seasons.

2) The player can receive a raise each year of up to 10% of the value of the first year of the contract.

3) The maximum value of the first year of the contract is the smaller of the amount of cap room the team has and the maximum salary the player can receive based up his experience in the league(see table below).

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and not this

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If a player is resigning with his previous team and has less than bird years:

1) The contract can be for up to 6 seasons.

2) The player can receive a raise each year of up to 10% of the value of the first year of the contract.

3) The player can receive the larger of the team's salary cap room(up to the maximum salary) and 120% of his previous salary in the first year of the contract.

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3. His previous team doesnt have ANY advantage over other teams to resign him

So basically, you have to be willing to pay what the player wants OR you get lucky and the player doesn't demand something, and you can make your own initial offer before the real free agency.

Next question,
If a player doesn't come to you with a price, and If a current player declines my offer in the first "Internal FA" sim, can I make another bid in the open market sim?

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Originally Posted by janjanjanjan3

OK we need clarification on these stuff.

This is what I get from the conversation here.

1. If you decline the initial offer(1st deal given by the game) you dont only lose his bird rights, but the game would treat it as if the player was never on your team.

2. he will fall under this category.



and not this



3. His previous team doesnt have ANY advantage over other teams to resign him

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That is how it appears. Like Hollywood brought up, I think that's why a NA appears for the team name in the Free Agent Index.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Next question,
If a player doesn't come to you with a price, and If a current player declines my offer in the first "Internal FA" sim, can I make another bid in the open market sim?

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Yes, and because of the bolded part, you keep their bird right

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That is how it appears. Like Hollywood brought up, I think that's why a NA appears for the team name in the Free Agent Index.

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OK, is this something that the game restricts? can we change these rules? because IMHO it doesnt make sense

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So basically, you have to be willing to pay what the player wants OR you get lucky and the player doesn't demand something, and you can make your own initial offer before the real free agency.

Next question,
If a player doesn't come to you with a price, and If a current player declines my offer in the first "Internal FA" sim, can I make another bid in the open market sim?

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1. That's pretty much it. In the case of "max" teir guys, the max they usually offer isn't a super max deal like the stupid one I gave Miller.

2. Yes.

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Originally Posted by janjanjanjan3

Yes, and because of the bolded part, you keep their bird right



OK, is this something that the game restricts? can we change these rules? because IMHO it doesnt make sense

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To answer number two I think we have 3 options 1. This whole sim never happens there is no fa period were players offer a contract (not positive) but I don't remember one the first season or two 2. We automatically accept whatever the player offers 3. What we do now but I think commish has to accept the contract then immediately cut the player there is no decline option in the program.

I think the way we do it now is lesser of 3 evils

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Originally Posted by HornetsFaninKY

To answer number two I think we have 3 options 1. This whole sim never happens there is no fa period were players offer a contract (not positive) but I don't remember one the first season or two 2. We automatically accept whatever the player offers 3. What we do now but I think commish has to accept the contract then immediately cut the player there is no decline option in the program.

I think the way we do it now is lesser of 3 evils

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ok

1. I dont think we can skip the first resigning period. If we can skip it then thats the best way to solve this

2. Automatically accepting the offer is not a good idea, there will always be a Pryzbilla incident where a player asks for way too much

3. Doesnt the contract still count against the cap if you cut players? and it'll be worse than what we are doing now, since you cant even bid on a player you just cut

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Originally Posted by janjanjanjan3

ok

1. I dont think we can skip the first resigning period. If we can skip it then thats the best way to solve this

2. Automatically accepting the offer is not a good idea, there will always be a Pryzbilla incident where a player asks for way too much

3. Doesnt the contract still count against the cap if you cut players? and it'll be worse than what we are doing now, since you cant even bid on a player you just cut

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3 is what we are doing I think maybe commish can void contracts so maybe thats what he is doing but 3 is the current system.

And you are right #1 is not an option I went back and found the season 1 resignings dunno why I thought this was an option but disregard it.