2024 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

At his age and salary, it would have to be a pretty heavily protected 1st. However, matching salary my be tough.

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Yeah I doubt it would be easy. I just like that he's a big that can stretch the floor. In addition everyone gets abused by the Joker but he's at least girthy enough to be serviceable against him.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

And why would CJ be locked in as a starter? Your issue is with CJ starting, not Ingram. You seriously can't think Ingram should be a 6th man under any circumstances. I get that a lot of you have issues with BI, but lets all try to be more objective.

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Murray and Zion are both ball-dominant offensive players that operate mostly inside the arc. A well balanced offense would add someone into the mix who is an elite deep shooter and can play off ball. We have 2 guys that fit that description: CJ and Trey Murphy. BI is another ball-dominant player who operates mostly inside the arc.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Cody Zeller is being signed-and-traded to the Atlanta Hawks from the New Orleans Pelicans, as part of the Dejounte Murray trade, a league source told @spotrac.

? Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) July 6, 2024

Lmao we can't even keep Zeller.

NO bigs. None. Forbidden.

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Changing the game

7 3s a game last year from Murray

Now, we are the only team who could possibly be intersted in Lauri;)

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

Now, we are the only team who could possibly be intersted in Lauri;)

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Warriors and Heat

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Warriors and Heat

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Honestly Heat have less value to offer than us. I don’t think they would give up Herro until next year when they know what’s happening with Butler.

Things are heating up with Ingram trade talks. :hihi:

Vegas odds Ingram gets traded this week? Better later then never?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

ESPN Sources with @TimBontemps: The Sacramento Kings are agreed on a sign-and-trade that will land DeMar DeRozan on a three-year deal, send Harrison Barnes to the San Antonio Spurs and Chris Duarte, two second-round picks and cash to the Chicago Bulls. pic.twitter.com/eopPkSPBvc

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 7, 2024

DeMar is a King. Which, I think, removes the Kings from the Lauri/BI sweepstakes, insofar as they were ever a real part of them. They give up Harrison Barnes for him.

DeMar's a good player but I don't really see the fit for SAC. Might be a bit disruptive.

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Another Ingram trade bir the dust .

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I hope you are joking.

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Looks like I was right.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Looks like I was right.

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Don’t gloat too early.

I'm getting very nervous now we won't find our trade partner for a starting 5

Jose to Paris, GG GTA

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Yet another example of the media having no idea what's actually going on with the team. They play everything so close to the vest it's mind boggling.

At this point I expect Ingram to be signed to something that is hopefully team friendly. I would really like to see what the team can do as currently set up with the addition of a starting big that can just rebound and protect the rim a bit as well as a decent backup for Zion at the 4.

It's been a long time coming for this team to have a legit starting point. He is going to make everyone else's life so much easier.

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How does that tweet lead you to that criticism of how the team is covered?

I watched a clip earlier today that included 2 local guys (Christian Clarke? I think and another guy), and they were talking about why BI hasn't been moved yet. They both feel the Pels will need to move BI... The guys said that BI and Murray won't work/fit together for various reasons, mainly they both need the ball in their hand, and neither can play off the ball. Wouldn't be a good fit for both of them AND Zion on the court.

Whether they trade BI or not... the state of the center position as of now is trash, and the guys mentioned a few options that the Pels had to solve their center issue(s). Wasn't really earth-shattering info that they gave... we've discussed it all here on PR, but just for shiggles...:

Trade for Jared Allen
The guys brought up some analytics that said the Cavs worse lineup included Jared Allen and Evan Mobley on the court at the same time, and that Evan Mobley played better as the 5 when Allen was out injured. They gave other data but that stuck out to me. They feel that Cleveland needs a wing scorer (BI) and allow Mobley to be the full-time 5. They think Allen and Levert for BI should be the deal and the salaries would match.

Trade for Wendell Carter Jr
The guys brought up the fact that pretty much every big on the roster got a new contract EXCEPT WCJ, and the Magic will more than likely look to trade him.

Trade for Deandre Ayton
The guys feel the Blazers wouldn't really need BI because they have young wings that need to develop, so Ayton may NOT be an option unless we can get a 3rd team involved.

Sign a trash heap center out of free agency
If for whatever reason we can't trade for a center we have terrible options for free agents. No need to waste time naming them, but they all suck.

We have a lot of time to fill out the roster, so I'll just wait to see what Griff can do.

I defend BI so much to counter the ridiculous negativity that gets thrown at him but I would be stoked to see him traded for Ayton. Our offense would be well spread out and solid at every level. Woof.

Also, keep in mind that with that JV trade exception we can now trade TMIII and Hawkins for Jarrett Allen.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I defend BI so much to counter the ridiculous negativity that gets thrown at him but I would be stoked to see him traded for Ayton. Our offense would be well spread out and solid at every level. Woof.

Also, keep in mind that with that JV trade exception we can now trade TMIII and Hawkins for Jarrett Allen.

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If they trade Hawkins and TM for Jarrett Allen and Keep BI, this franchise is as bad as it gets.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I defend BI so much to counter the ridiculous negativity that gets thrown at him but I would be stoked to see him traded for Ayton. Our offense would be well spread out and solid at every level. Woof.

Also, keep in mind that with that JV trade exception we can now trade TMIII and Hawkins for Jarrett Allen.

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Just my opinion but I think TM3 is not option to trade. His game fits better with Z and Murray, and he'll get paid way less than what BI will get. Better fit for less money just make sense. I think they would trade Herb before TM3... and I don't see them trading Herb either.

If they cant pull off an unforeseen trade to turn BI into a starting center, I think we will start seeing more small ball minutes with Zion at the 5. It's not a bad idea depending on matchups, and it would allow Trey and/or Herb to get on the floor.

Alright! Everyone back to work! The holiday weekend is over. Essence Festival is over. Back to work.

Daniel Theis ��

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Daniel Theis ��

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Free agent C Daniel Theis has agreed on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, sources tell ESPN. Theis, who?s entering his eighth NBA season, will lead Germany into the Summer Olympics. https://t.co/fhOkSAHzoe

Here is one of the cheap options at C. I would hope the other is coming in a trade.

I mentioned him to Dae a few days ago. He's not a bad cheap option.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

I mentioned him to Dae a few days ago. He's not a bad cheap option.

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I haven't seen him play. He is 6'8" and probably not a rim protector.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I defend BI so much to counter the ridiculous negativity that gets thrown at him but I would be stoked to see him traded for Ayton. Our offense would be well spread out and solid at every level. Woof.

Also, keep in mind that with that JV trade exception we can now trade TMIII and Hawkins for Jarrett Allen.

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cant aggregate TPEs. they can take in a player that makes Jv's salary or less with it, but they can't combine it with players to add a larger salary.

HoopsHype is reporting that the Pels have strong interest in JA, and WCJ, so some of you may still get your wish.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I haven't seen him play. He is 6'8" and probably not a rim protector.

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He's okay for a backup. Nothing to write home about.

pretty happy with Theis. I'm not sure if he's a Willie guy, but he's a smart player. Could do worse for a backup.

That had to be strictly to replace Zeller. We aren’t done yet.

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Originally Posted by ColoradoCajun

How does that tweet lead you to that criticism of how the team is covered?

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It's more of an observation than a criticism. It's also not just this tweet but a very long history of local reportors not having any inside info whatsoever about moves the team is exploring or, as in this case, already made and never reported on it.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

It's more of an observation than a criticism. It's also not just this tweet but a very long history of local reportors not having any inside info whatsoever about moves the team is exploring or, as in this case, already made and never reported on it.

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Guillory was taking a nap when the Pelicans made the trade (eventually) with Atlanta, thus he reported it long after others. I get it. I take naps. Might want some alarm for breaking news given you are a team reporter. lol.

I think the Pelicans were waiting to sign a big because they wanted to have more flexibility for a BI trade. I wonder if this signing is acknowledging we are less likely to see a BI trade in the next couple of weeks.

I reckon at this rate we will probably roll with the current lineup and see how it fares and sign players on the cheap. Then we will look for trades during the season and hope somebody is looking for a title push and bites on one of Ingram or CJ (potentially Murray but less likely). If I had to guess, we want to inflate CJ’s value as much as possible and look for an expiring swap. I find it hard to believe that we can get value out of a BI trade at this point. I can see us letting him ride out the season and taking a chance on FA if we can’t find the right deal. It’s about as tough a situation as we can be in. Willie has to make the most out of this roster if things come to that.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Guillory was taking a nap when the Pelicans made the trade (eventually) with Atlanta, thus he reported it long after others. I get it. I take naps. Might want some alarm for breaking news given you are a team reporter. lol.

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Most of the local reporters get their info from Twitter it seems. Which is where I see most of this stuff first reported.

I think a big will get to New Orleans eventually. Griff knows he can't sign a free-agent bench center and ignore a starter. That is a recipe for failure on this team. He would have been better off keeping Nance and V. and rerunning it.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I defend BI so much to counter the ridiculous negativity that gets thrown at him but I would be stoked to see him traded for Ayton. Our offense would be well spread out and solid at every level. Woof.

Also, keep in mind that with that JV trade exception we can now trade TMIII and Hawkins for Jarrett Allen.

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You cannot combine TPEs with players.

Ah ok. Y'all are right.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I haven't seen him play. He is 6'8" and probably not a rim protector.

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Much better than Nance, but not his specialty. In 19 minutes a game, he averages about 1 block a game.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

It's more of an observation than a criticism. It's also not just this tweet but a very long history of local reportors not having any inside info whatsoever about moves the team is exploring or, as in this case, already made and never reported on it.

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You're absolutely right. I've been here for decades now and Harvey Hornet was only person I've ever seen break something and that was before the Bensons owned the franchise. Since then we have NEVER had inside info and most of the people who do cover the team has this weird bitter hatred that comes through in their reporting.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

HoopsHype is reporting that the Pels have strong interest in JA, and WCJ, so some of you may still get your wish.

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Those are pretty much our only remaining trade options.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

You're absolutely right. I've been here for decades now and Harvey Hornet was only person I've ever seen break something and that was before the Bensons owned the franchise. Since then we have NEVER had inside info and most of the people who do cover the team has this weird bitter hatred that comes through in their reporting.

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It's pretty obvious if you've been a fan since they got here.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I haven't seen him play. He is 6'8" and probably not a rim protector.

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It’s more on help defense than 1 on 1, but surprisingly he averages 0.9bpg for his career on only 19mpg. He can get up.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Those are pretty much our only remaining trade options.

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I’d be estatic with either. But what does a trade package for WCJ look like, what are we giving up? Bc it certainly doesn’t involve BI, can’t see Orlando paying Wagner, Banchero and BI huge salaries.

No Ingram in this photo. So it looks like Ingram will get moved eventually

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

No Ingram in this photo. So it looks like Ingram will get moved eventually

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"PelicansPress" is anything but actual press/journalism. It's just a fan page and isn't a reliable source. Zero inside information and a complete clickbait account. I feel like they have duped people because of the "press" moniker.

But teams in touch with Utah say the Jazz are looking for at least a first-round pick in return for Kessler in these conversations that had gone on earlier in the offseason.

Could be asolid and young C in the starting position but the problem would be signing Kessler and Trey next off-season

I don't think I have seen so much skepticism and gloom around a roster for the Pelicans in a while. It is like the season is lost before it starts. Griffin has opened Pandora's Box by talking about his sense of urgency, but something will give eventually on the center position. At the moment there are a lot of frustrating things about this organization. The Smoothie King Arena situation, the injuries, the turnovers/lack of basketball IQ at pivotal times, and the damn lack of accessibility for regional fans to watch the Pelicans, etc. al., but the roster will be fixed. Play smart, reduce the turnovers, and find on-court chemistry and you have something.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I don't think I have seen so much skepticism and gloom around a roster for the Pelicans in a while. It is like the season is lost before it starts. Griffin has opened Pandora's Box by talking about his sense of urgency, but something will give eventually on the center position. At the moment there are a lot of frustrating things about this organization. The Smoothie King Arena situation, the injuries, the turnovers/lack of basketball IQ at pivotal times, and the damn lack of accessibility for regional fans to watch the Pelicans, etc. al., but the roster will be fixed. Play smart, reduce the turnovers, and find on-court chemistry and you have something.

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What’s the SKC situation?