AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

So. Setting that mess aside.

I know it's just Fletch.....but how does everyone grade his prophecied Celts deal?

AD

For

Tatum
Smart
Filler player (Willians, Ojeyele, Yabusele)
And only the 2019 #14 pick


The verbiage he uses is "at least the #14 pick" but that smacks to me like not a whole lot more.

How would you like that?

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I'd be more than fine with it. I'd wish we could get a little more, but assuming "that's it" I'd still be happy with it.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Keeping in mind. We invented those trades. You can say "I like this package" a thousand more times but it doesn't make it any more real. Those are all speculations and the probable is that the best offered won't be all that you are thinking.

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Everybody is fully aware.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Don't see it with DSJ, but I do see that caliber of player as possible for Robinson. I don't think he will actually make allstar teams because defense generally doesn't get you there, and that's his real strength, but I could see a couple of all-defensive teams without much problem.

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DSJ plays with a chip on his shoulder. He has a Westbrook like intensity, it’s going to be fun to watch his career.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

DSJ plays with a chip on his shoulder. He has a Westbrook like intensity, it’s going to be fun to watch his career.

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He seems to have a low BBIQ and attitude problems. Dallas wanted him gone.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He seems to have a low BBIQ and attitude problems. Dallas wanted him gone.

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Basically this.

The problem with the Westbrook mentality, as we've seen for years now, is that unless you have a coach who is willing to really control that guy, it leads to big individual stats and not very much winning. Westbrook is an athletic freak, but he can't shoot at all, doesn't bother on defense most of the time, doesn't play team ball, and as long as he gets his triple double he seems pretty fine with losing in the first round every year. ''westbrook mentality'' doesn't carry good implications, to me.

Anything on the Kings roster worth trading for? Fox?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Anything on the Kings roster worth trading for? Fox?

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If they would trade us Fox, give us back Hield, and also cough up like 3 first rounders, I'd be pretty damn interested. Not likely though, I think they like their young core.

I’d be willing to do it for Fox and fillers. He’s the best first contract point guard in the NBA and is a future all-NBA talent, IMO. I think Kings certainly say no to that because it’s hard to see how AD re-signs in Sacramento.

Funny story. All of the papers are stating the Celtics are in for Davis after the whole “Celtics are pulling out” narrative. It just goes to show you that people won’t know jack crap until the trade is close to being finalized.

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

I’d be willing to do it for Fox and fillers. He’s the best first contract point guard in the NBA and is a future all-NBA talent, IMO. I think Kings certainly say no to that because it’s hard to see how AD re-signs in Sacramento.

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Don't think so either, but if he would chances are Boogie would go back there

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Funny story. All of the papers are stating the Celtics are in for Davis after the whole “Celtics are pulling out” narrative. It just goes to show you that people won’t know jack crap until the trade is close to being finalized.

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Agreed. There is no way to know what is true, what is speculation and what is misdirection.

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Originally Posted by donato

I'd be more than fine with it. I'd wish we could get a little more, but assuming "that's it" I'd still be happy with it.

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I'd be fine with it. So.....like.....a B-? I think I prefer Brown to Smart and would wish for more draft picks....especially the Memphis one.....but it's nice.

Oh hey guys. Also remember that we don't know what the actual offers are. Just be aware of this. Everyone. ;)

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Funny story. All of the papers are stating the Celtics are in for Davis after the whole “Celtics are pulling out” narrative. It just goes to show you that people won’t know jack crap until the trade is close to being finalized.

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While this is always true in principle logic has to be applied to the subject. The idea that the Celtics would want to gamble on Davis is illogical given he has not named them as a potential place he'll resign with. This isn't quite like Paul George who was traded for Oladipo and Sabonis. If the Celtics top the Lakers and Knicks or any other dark horse team it'll require most if not all of the Celtics assets. That's a gamble I can't see them making.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

While this is always true in principle logic has to be applied to the subject. The idea that the Celtics would want to gamble on Davis is illogical given he has not named them as a potential place he'll resign with. This is like Paul George who was traded for Oladipo and Sabonis. If the Celtics top the Lakers and Knicks or any other dark horse team it'll require most if not all of the Celtics assets. That's a gamble I can't see them making.

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For something to be reasonable, it has to be done for a reason. Since reasons are subjective in many cases, unless we can talk to Danny Ainge (which neither of us can), it's absurd to say what is and what isn't reasonable and logical for him to do. If he wants AD, it is totally logical for him to trade assets to get him. If he doesn't, then it isn't. Like David Hume once wrote, reason is and can only be a slave to the passions. Since we don't know Ainge's desires, what is reasonable for him to do is a mystery.

The fact that PG13 stayed in OKC is actually a point IN FAVOUR of trading for AD. He named a team: the same team AD named. LA. That's where he said he was going, that's where he said he wanted to be. Got traded to OKC, loved it, stayed. Kawhi also, from all reports, wanted to play in California (not necessarily the Lakers, but in California), and he got traded to the Raptors. Now they're in the finals, might be about to win a ring. Ujiri doesn't regret it, and there's at least some reason to think Kawhi will stay, especially if they do win the ring.

There is a lot of good evidence out there right now that taking the risk on the star can be worth it. Ainge isn't risk-averse. He's averse to dumb risk, sure, but if he thinks this trade has any possibility to grant him a superteam and a ring, he'll make it, even if Davis walks in a year.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

For something to be reasonable, it has to be done for a reason. Since reasons are subjective in many cases, unless we can talk to Danny Ainge (which neither of us can), it's absurd to say what is and what isn't reasonable and logical for him to do. If he wants AD, it is totally logical for him to trade assets to get him. If he doesn't, then it isn't. Like David Hume once wrote, reason is and can only be a slave to the passions. Since we don't know Ainge's desires, what is reasonable for him to do is a mystery.

The fact that PG13 stayed in OKC is actually a point IN FAVOUR of trading for AD. He named a team: the same team AD named. LA. That's where he said he was going, that's where he said he wanted to be. Got traded to OKC, loved it, stayed. Kawhi also, from all reports, wanted to play in California (not necessarily the Lakers, but in California), and he got traded to the Raptors. Now they're in the finals, might be about to win a ring. Ujiri doesn't regret it, and there's at least some reason to think Kawhi will stay, especially if they do win the ring.

There is a lot of good evidence out there right now that taking the risk on the star can be worth it. Ainge isn't risk-averse. He's averse to dumb risk, sure, but if he thinks this trade has any possibility to grant him a superteam and a ring, he'll make it, even if Davis walks in a year.

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Logic is logic. Whether or not Ainge adheres to logic is another debate.

George is a example of a risk working out. But Oladipo and Sabonis wasn't considered marquee assets at the time.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Logic is logic. Whether or not Ainge adheres to logic is another debate.

George is a example of a risk working out. But Oladipo and Sabonis wasn't considered marquee assets at the time.

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Lol, look up reasons internalism vs externalism. Doing X is only logical if X has desirable results. Just saying there is ''THE Logic'' which is ''Logic'', is kind of nonsense.

If Ainge WANTS AD, then it is logical for him to trade for AD. If he has good reason to suspect AD may stay, that is another reason for him to do so, but only because it satisfies his motivation: that is, his WANT for AD. The logical course of action is decided by the emotionally desirable outcome.

Again, David Hume is good on this.

Massive points bringing Hume into this and getting philosophical.

But it's still my birthday so I win all debates. :D

I want Tatum, the Memphis 2020, and Brown pretty bad, though. So my heart wants you to be right.

That’s nice trying to add philosophical points to this, but that still won’t change the fact that we will not get the farm from Boston. The Fletcher Mackel deal would probably be the best we could get from Boston.

Would you take that deal over Barrett, DSJ, Robinson, Knox, and 2 additional first round picks, which is a highly logical expectation from the Knicks? I know I would take the Knicks deal. Boston is second best unless they include the Memphis 2020 pick.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

That’s nice trying to add philosophical points to this, but that still won’t change the fact that we will not get the farm from Boston. The Fletcher Mackel deal would probably be the best we could get from Boston.

Would you take that deal over Barrett, DSJ, Robinson, Knox, and 2 additional first round picks, which is a highly logical expectation from the Knicks? I know I would take the Knicks deal. Boston is second best unless they include the Memphis 2020 pick.

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The point was not ''here's philosophy, therefore Boston will give everything.''

The point was that if Boston wants AD badly enough, then they will give everything, and to act as if there's some rule of logic that says ''Danny Ainge Must Not Give Up Assets, Even If He Wants To'' is just silly.

Which isn't a particularly shocking thing to say. He might not want it that much, because of Kyrie leaving for example, in which case he probably won't give everything.

The logical evidence that is factual shows that the risk Boston is taking to trade for AD is not worth Tatum, Brown, Smart, and 3 or 4 1st round picks. Please, I invite you to convince me that this statement is wrong. Danny Ainge is not Billy King.

Possibly half of those assets is the best we should expect from Boston, and they may not even offer that.

But he's betting on Ainge going Captain Ahab chasing his white whale....to our benefit. Not my mindset but the Hume reference does check out.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

The logical evidence that is factual shows that the risk Boston is taking to trade for AD is not worth Tatum, Brown, Smart, and 3 or 4 1st round picks. Please, I invite you to convince me that this statement is wrong. Danny Ainge is not Billy King.

Possibly half of those assets is the best we should expect from Boston, and they may not even offer that.

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And again, NOBODY, and I repeat, ZERO PEOPLE are saying that Danny Ainge WILL give up everything.

All I am saying is that IF Ainge wants AD badly enough, then it makes sense for him to pony up whatever assets are necessary to acquire him. What assets those are, exactly, depend on what other teams are offering. If Ainge WANTS to ensure he will definitely get AD with no competition, then it is logical for him to pay up the assets. If he DOESN'T want him that badly, and is willing to accept the competition, then he offers less. Now, I think that the second option is more probable, but that doesn't mean it would be illogical for Ainge to do the former.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

But he's betting on Ainge going Captain Ahab chasing his white whale....to our benefit. Not my mindset but the Hume reference does check out.

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Exactly. Now, maybe Ainge doesn't actually care that much, in which case then no, he obviously won't give everything up. But only Ainge knows how he really feels about this right now, and if he wants to ensure he definitely gets AD unchallenged, then he may well unload the warchest. That is obviously a big IF, it's conditional, nobody is saying Ainge is guaranteed to do it. But let's not pretend it's impossible, now.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

But he's betting on Ainge going Captain Ahab chasing his white whale....to our benefit. Not my mindset but the Hume reference does check out.

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To hope and expect that is just silly.

The teams who have to offer the farm are the Knicks and Lakers. It’s definitely debatable on which collection of assets from those teams are more favorable. I personally believe half of the Boston assets with Tatum is better than the entire Lakers offer, but is inferior to the deal the Knicks can offer if they empty the bank.

If Boston truly wants AD, they have to beat the Knicks offer. Ainge’s track record leads me to believe that he won’t overbid.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

To hope and expect that is just silly.

The teams who have to offer the farm are the Knicks and Lakers. It’s definitely debatable on which collection of assets from those teams are more favorable. I personally believe half of the Boston assets with Tatum is better than the entire Lakers offer, but is inferior to the deal the Knicks can offer if they empty the bank.

If Boston truly wants AD, they have to beat the Knicks offer. Ainge’s track record leads me to believe that he won’t overbid.

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It would be silly to expect that. Good thing I'm not expecting it then.

I'm not saying it will happen. I'm not even saying it's probable to happen. I'm just saying that pretending it's impossible and ''illogical'' as an option is beyond obtuse.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

To hope and expect that is just silly.

The teams who have to offer the farm are the Knicks and Lakers. It’s definitely debatable on which collection of assets from those teams are more favorable. I personally believe half of the Boston assets with Tatum is better than the entire Lakers offer, but is inferior to the deal the Knicks can offer if they empty the bank.

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And again, I tend to agree with you. It wouldn't make sense. It's not rational. But playing Devil's Advocate a bit......we're looking at it from the perspective of the franchise. Maybe a rational long term thinking GM. But suppose Ainge realizes that if he doesn't swing for the fences he is fired. Not soon but eventually.

And hear me out.

He's been after AD for a long time. Two seasons ago the team overperformed big time. They go out and get a superstar. Expectations are high and they fizzle out. No Kyrie might lead. There actually IS a chance that Ainge is feeling some pressure and it will make him go for risky boom or bust moves. He might be of the mindset that if he loses Kyrie and doesn't land another superstar, he will always be just a first to second round playoff team. That's not good enough for Boston. And worse yet, if they miss out on AD, the next superteam might be formed in his conference. So he really could be convinced that getting AD is his only chance to keep his job.

Again, it's not rational, but it's possible.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

And again, I tend to agree with you. It wouldn't make sense. It's not rational. But playing Devil's Advocate a bit......we're looking at it from the perspective of the franchise. Maybe a rational long term thinking GM. But suppose Ainge realizes that if he doesn't swing for the fences he is fired. Not soon but eventually.

And hear me out.

He's been after AD for a long time. Two seasons ago the team overperformed big time. They go out and get a superstar. Expectations are high and they fizzle out. No Kyrie might lead. There actually IS a chance that Ainge is feeling some pressure and it will make him go for risky boom or bust moves. He might be of the mindset that if he loses Kyrie and doesn't land another superstar, he will always be just a first to second round playoff team. That's not good enough for Boston. And worse yet, if they miss out on AD, the next superteam might be formed in his conference. So he really could be convinced that getting AD is his only chance to keep his job.

Again, it's not rational, but it's possible.

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Of course none of the scenarios are impossible, but I am saying to expect improbable scenarios is a waste of time.

I actually hope I am wrong as Boston has by far the best assets. It also depends on how much Griffin values Tatum.

Let’s discuss what everyone believes are the most probable destinations for AD. I will start.

1. Knicks
2. Celtics
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Nets

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Let’s discuss what everyone believes are the most probable destinations for AD. I will start.

1. Knicks
2. Celtics
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Nets

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Pretty much that.

F it. I'm done with AD.

3,4,5,6,7 team trade--whatever it takes to land these players:

Jason Tatum, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, and the draft rights to R.J. Barrett.

With Jrue and Zion added to that roster above--Then, bring in a wing, a center, and maybe another SG.

With KD leaving and Rockets on the decline, please, someone tell me why we won't have a shot at making it to the Finals.

*breaks glass bottle on ground

Because you forgot to resign Elfrid Payton!

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

*breaks glass bottle on ground

Because you forgot to resign Elfrid Payton!

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What if he retired and we promote him to Assistant GM?

I may have to settle for that. All this AD trade talk, there's been no rumors on Payton. :(

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

*breaks glass bottle on ground

Because you forgot to resign Elfrid Payton!

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I suggest you let that one marinate.

Yes!

I truly wish Boston had the 3rd overall pick.

Like I said, I'd take Tatum, Smart, Brown, Barrett (3rd pick) for AD in a heartbeat.

Think Boston can somehow come up with a trade for the 3rd overall pick?
--Maybe trade their 2020 Memphis pick, their 14th pick, and a sign trade of Irving to the Knicks for their 3rd overall pick?

Trade of the Day

Knicks
A. Davis
E. Moore
(still have room to add another max player, or can make additional moves to create 2 max spots)

Cavs
K. Knox
D. Smith
M. Robinson
F. Ntilikina
S. Hill
E. Thomas
Pick #3 - RJ Barrett
Pick #39
(Basically they get "the Knicks deal" for AD...while saving about $10m and getting under the luxury tax)

Pelicans
A. Trier
C. Sexton
T. Thompson
L. Nance
Pick #5 - Culver (I think he'd still be available, but if not you could trade back and pick up more assets with a team like Bulls/Suns that might covet Garland)
Pick #26 - Cam Johnson
Knicks 2020
Mavs 2021

Let's start with what might be the hard sells for Pelicans fans -

Larry Nance Jr. is in the 1st year of an extension next year that will guarantee him 12/11/10 over the next 3 years. But those are going to be years in a guys prime for a guy that has a career PER over 17 and is a pretty impressive energy/hustle athlete. Don't forget the cap is going to go up in 2020, and his contract decreases over the years.

Tristan Thompson is in the last year of a deal that pays him well. He's another guy that might give Pels fans some sticker shock at $18.5m next year, but he's a vet that Griff knows, was a key contributor on Griff's championship team, and someone that could be a very big part of the rotation for Zion's rookie year.

C. Sexton played like he wanted to be in consideration for rookie of the year the 2nd half of last season. I'm still a huge fan and would love to see what he could do paired defensively with Jrue and playing with pace in Gentry's system. He has all the tools to be the PG of the future and a 3pt shot that was much better than anyone expected from him his rookie season.

Trier is a young guy that could probably lead our G League team in scoring. I think he still has a ways to go, but he's the kind of prospect I want to get into the new Pelicans culture and see if we can bring the player he was projected to be at Arizona out of him.

Some folks will kill this trade because Robinson goes to Cleveland in this deal instead of to New Orleans. I think if Robinson didn't have local roots and played his rookie year in a large media market, we would have a vastly lower opinion of him. I'm not sure he's ever better than a prime Javale McGee to be honest. I also don't know if coming back home is a good idea for him. Like Tyrann Mathieu in football, I think being away from here might be the best thing for him.

2019/20 Pels lineup
Sexton/Jackson
Jrue/Trier
Culver/C. Johnson/K.Williams
Zion/Nance Jr.
Thompson/Okafor/Wood

Thompson could be moved at the deadline easily to bring back an asset if he's not contributing value, or we just let him expire.

If I'm being realistic, I think Pels end up in the lottery again next year, and go into the offseason with a lottery pick, a pick in the late teens from New York, the Dallas pick in 2021, a core of Sexton/Jrue/Culver/Johnson/Zion/Nance, and ~$55m in cap space. You've potentially got 4 of your 5 starters locked in and two guys would could be great depth in Nance/Johnson coming off the bench.

Go find video of Sexton if you're not sold on this. After you've watched the way he gets after it, imagine that dude going after opposing guards competing with Jrue to see who can play the hardest. I think he's going to be the De'Aaron Fox breakout this coming year or the following.

Hilarious that CLIPPERS took SGA off the table. So annoying.

I just wanted to say that again


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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Lol, look up reasons internalism vs externalism. Doing X is only logical if X has desirable results. Just saying there is ''THE Logic'' which is ''Logic'', is kind of nonsense.

If Ainge WANTS AD, then it is logical for him to trade for AD. If he has good reason to suspect AD may stay, that is another reason for him to do so, but only because it satisfies his motivation: that is, his WANT for AD. The logical course of action is decided by the emotionally desirable outcome.

Again, David Hume is good on this.

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This is fine but I'm taking into consideration the variables that make the act logical or illogical. I'm not just superimposing one basic way of thinking as logic. I'm factoring in the X's and Y's in this particular scenario. Davis has an actual list of teams he'll reup with and Boston despite being considered the front runners since he requested a trade aren't on his list. The consequences for Ainge to trade away all the teams assets for Davis and having him walk may cost him his job.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Hilarious that CLIPPERS took SGA off the table. So annoying.

I just wanted to say that again


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When and what is the source?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Trade of the Day

Knicks
A. Davis
E. Moore
(still have room to add another max player, or can make additional moves to create 2 max spots)

Cavs
K. Knox
D. Smith
M. Robinson
F. Ntilikina
S. Hill
E. Thomas
Pick #3 - RJ Barrett
Pick #39
(Basically they get "the Knicks deal" for AD...while saving about $10m and getting under the luxury tax)

Pelicans
A. Trier
C. Sexton
T. Thompson
L. Nance
Pick #5 - Culver (I think he'd still be available, but if not you could trade back and pick up more assets with a team like Bulls/Suns that might covet Garland)
Pick #26 - Cam Johnson
Knicks 2020
Mavs 2021

Let's start with what might be the hard sells for Pelicans fans -

Larry Nance Jr. is in the 1st year of an extension next year that will guarantee him 12/11/10 over the next 3 years. But those are going to be years in a guys prime for a guy that has a career PER over 17 and is a pretty impressive energy/hustle athlete. Don't forget the cap is going to go up in 2020, and his contract decreases over the years.

Tristan Thompson is in the last year of a deal that pays him well. He's another guy that might give Pels fans some sticker shock at $18.5m next year, but he's a vet that Griff knows, was a key contributor on Griff's championship team, and someone that could be a very big part of the rotation for Zion's rookie year.

C. Sexton played like he wanted to be in consideration for rookie of the year the 2nd half of last season. I'm still a huge fan and would love to see what he could do paired defensively with Jrue and playing with pace in Gentry's system. He has all the tools to be the PG of the future and a 3pt shot that was much better than anyone expected from him his rookie season.

Trier is a young guy that could probably lead our G League team in scoring. I think he still has a ways to go, but he's the kind of prospect I want to get into the new Pelicans culture and see if we can bring the player he was projected to be at Arizona out of him.

Some folks will kill this trade because Robinson goes to Cleveland in this deal instead of to New Orleans. I think if Robinson didn't have local roots and played his rookie year in a large media market, we would have a vastly lower opinion of him. I'm not sure he's ever better than a prime Javale McGee to be honest. I also don't know if coming back home is a good idea for him. Like Tyrann Mathieu in football, I think being away from here might be the best thing for him.

2019/20 Pels lineup
Sexton/Jackson
Jrue/Trier
Culver/C. Johnson/K.Williams
Zion/Nance Jr.
Thompson/Okafor/Wood

Thompson could be moved at the deadline easily to bring back an asset if he's not contributing value, or we just let him expire.

If I'm being realistic, I think Pels end up in the lottery again next year, and go into the offseason with a lottery pick, a pick in the late teens from New York, the Dallas pick in 2021, a core of Sexton/Jrue/Culver/Johnson/Zion/Nance, and ~$55m in cap space. You've potentially got 4 of your 5 starters locked in and two guys would could be great depth in Nance/Johnson coming off the bench.

Go find video of Sexton if you're not sold on this. After you've watched the way he gets after it, imagine that dude going after opposing guards competing with Jrue to see who can play the hardest. I think he's going to be the De'Aaron Fox breakout this coming year or the following.

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That’s a terrible trade for the Pelicans.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

That’s a terrible trade for the Pelicans.

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I would agree. I am sure we can do much better than that.

I’m stuck on Miles Turner now that Fisher and them put it in their trade packages. I still want Beal so I kinda mixed it all up. A 4 team deal (so I know it won’t happen) with pels, Boston, Indy, and Washington.

Boston gets AD - trades away Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Williams, and picks 14, 20, 22, and Memphis. I wouldn’t take less than Brown, Tatum, 14, 20, and Memphis pick for AD anyway. Adding Hayward plus we don’t give any other returning salary should make this enticing. Boston should be able to make other moves plus I’d think they would get a big trade exception.

Washington gets Brown, Moore, Hill, 14, next years 2-2nds, and Memphis pick. If Memphis doesn’t convey in 2020 then the get pels pick top 5 protected if not then Memphis 2021. Sending out Beal. Wiz start the rebuild with Brown, 14, and Memphis pick and a ton of expirings. I could also see us send a few million to maybe help buyout hill if they want but I think All their expirings will have value at the trade deadline.

Indy gets Hayward, Williams, picks 20 and our 2nd rounder. They send Turner and lil holiday. The Pacers build around Oladipo, Hayward, and Sabonis along with prob enough money for another max slot.

Pels get Beal, Tatum, Turner, lil Holiday, pick 22 ( hoping for Langford if not trade for multiple 2nds to start our G-league team.

Jrue, Elfrid, lil Holiday
Beal, Jrue, Frank
Tatum, Justin Holiday, Kenrich
Zion, (Portis or Vonleh)
Turner, Okafor

Starting 5 is legit plus we bring some family in.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I would agree. I am sure we can do much better than that.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

That’s a terrible trade for the Pelicans.

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A 20 year old PG who was the 3rd rookie in NBA History to average at least 16.0 PPG while shooting 40.0 3FG% & 80.0 FT%. Bird and Curry are the others.
#5 pick in draft who could be a play making wing that some have as high as #3 on their board.
#26 pick in draft
A 2020 1st round pick
Unprotected Mavs pick in 2021
NBA championship big man on an expiring contract that can still rebound/defend at high level
Young vet on a descending contract that gives you length/athleticism/efficiency off the bench

Sexton had a better rookie year than SGA did for the Clippers... but people rank him as a top asset in an D trade. Why?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

A 20 year old PG who was the 3rd rookie in NBA History to average at least 16.0 PPG while shooting 40.0 3FG% & 80.0 FT%. Bird and Curry are the others.
#5 pick in draft who could be a play making wing that some have as high as #3 on their board.
#26 pick in draft
A 2020 1st round pick
Unprotected Mavs pick in 2021
NBA championship big man on an expiring contract that can still rebound/defend at high level
Young vet on a descending contract that gives you length/athleticism/efficiency off the bench

Sexton had a better rookie year than SGA did for the Clippers... but people rank him as a top asset in an D trade. Why?

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It’s not my favorite, I can see a little upside with Sexton and Culver but no real star potential. I guess that’s why I keep going back to Boston and Tatum. At SF he could get to multiple all star games and could prob play 2-4 in our positionless game along with a lot of picks and role players.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

That’s a terrible trade for the Pelicans.

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How did Cavs come into picture like that dude in a group project that gets all the credit while doing nothing/,zero contributions

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Trade of the Day

Knicks
A. Davis
E. Moore
(still have room to add another max player, or can make additional moves to create 2 max spots)

Cavs
K. Knox
D. Smith
M. Robinson
F. Ntilikina
S. Hill
E. Thomas
Pick #3 - RJ Barrett
Pick #39
(Basically they get "the Knicks deal" for AD...while saving about $10m and getting under the luxury tax)

Pelicans
A. Trier
C. Sexton
T. Thompson
L. Nance
Pick #5 - Culver (I think he'd still be available, but if not you could trade back and pick up more assets with a team like Bulls/Suns that might covet Garland)
Pick #26 - Cam Johnson
Knicks 2020
Mavs 2021

Let's start with what might be the hard sells for Pelicans fans -

Larry Nance Jr. is in the 1st year of an extension next year that will guarantee him 12/11/10 over the next 3 years. But those are going to be years in a guys prime for a guy that has a career PER over 17 and is a pretty impressive energy/hustle athlete. Don't forget the cap is going to go up in 2020, and his contract decreases over the years.

Tristan Thompson is in the last year of a deal that pays him well. He's another guy that might give Pels fans some sticker shock at $18.5m next year, but he's a vet that Griff knows, was a key contributor on Griff's championship team, and someone that could be a very big part of the rotation for Zion's rookie year.

C. Sexton played like he wanted to be in consideration for rookie of the year the 2nd half of last season. I'm still a huge fan and would love to see what he could do paired defensively with Jrue and playing with pace in Gentry's system. He has all the tools to be the PG of the future and a 3pt shot that was much better than anyone expected from him his rookie season.

Trier is a young guy that could probably lead our G League team in scoring. I think he still has a ways to go, but he's the kind of prospect I want to get into the new Pelicans culture and see if we can bring the player he was projected to be at Arizona out of him.

Some folks will kill this trade because Robinson goes to Cleveland in this deal instead of to New Orleans. I think if Robinson didn't have local roots and played his rookie year in a large media market, we would have a vastly lower opinion of him. I'm not sure he's ever better than a prime Javale McGee to be honest. I also don't know if coming back home is a good idea for him. Like Tyrann Mathieu in football, I think being away from here might be the best thing for him.

2019/20 Pels lineup
Sexton/Jackson
Jrue/Trier
Culver/C. Johnson/K.Williams
Zion/Nance Jr.
Thompson/Okafor/Wood

Thompson could be moved at the deadline easily to bring back an asset if he's not contributing value, or we just let him expire.

If I'm being realistic, I think Pels end up in the lottery again next year, and go into the offseason with a lottery pick, a pick in the late teens from New York, the Dallas pick in 2021, a core of Sexton/Jrue/Culver/Johnson/Zion/Nance, and ~$55m in cap space. You've potentially got 4 of your 5 starters locked in and two guys would could be great depth in Nance/Johnson coming off the bench.

Go find video of Sexton if you're not sold on this. After you've watched the way he gets after it, imagine that dude going after opposing guards competing with Jrue to see who can play the hardest. I think he's going to be the De'Aaron Fox breakout this coming year or the following.

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I hate to break it to ya chief... This ain't it.

https://twitter.com/BallThen/status/...006871040?s=20

I’m starting to like McNamara (can’t believe I said that)

Compare the rookie years of the following:

D'Angelo Russell
De'Aaron Fox
Lonzo Ball
Colin Sexton
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

Sexton started the season as a 19 year old. Is it crazy to think he could end up being the best guy on the list?

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I’m stuck on Miles Turner now that Fisher and them put it in their trade packages. I still want Beal so I kinda mixed it all up. A 4 team deal (so I know it won’t happen) with pels, Boston, Indy, and Washington.

Boston gets AD - trades away Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Williams, and picks 14, 20, 22, and Memphis. I wouldn’t take less than Brown, Tatum, 14, 20, and Memphis pick for AD anyway. Adding Hayward plus we don’t give any other returning salary should make this enticing. Boston should be able to make other moves plus I’d think they would get a big trade exception.

Washington gets Brown, Moore, Hill, 14, next years 2-2nds, and Memphis pick. If Memphis doesn’t convey in 2020 then the get pels pick top 5 protected if not then Memphis 2021. Sending out Beal. Wiz start the rebuild with Brown, 14, and Memphis pick and a ton of expirings. I could also see us send a few million to maybe help buyout hill if they want but I think All their expirings will have value at the trade deadline.

Indy gets Hayward, Williams, picks 20 and our 2nd rounder. They send Turner and lil holiday. The Pacers build around Oladipo, Hayward, and Sabonis along with prob enough money for another max slot.

Pels get Beal, Tatum, Turner, lil Holiday, pick 22 ( hoping for Langford if not trade for multiple 2nds to start our G-league team.

Jrue, Elfrid, lil Holiday
Beal, Jrue, Frank
Tatum, Justin Holiday, Kenrich
Zion, (Portis or Vonleh)
Turner, Okafor

Starting 5 is legit plus we bring some family in.

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Don't think Indy bites. nice if they would. Might be a cap issue also.