Draft Prospects Discussion

Assuming that he will stay with the pick and not trade it

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Originally Posted by pawel

Assuming that he will stay with the pick and not trade it

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Correct.

The question is if are we gonna keep our pick or not.

How does the board feel about trading #6 + Evans to ORL for Dipo + Ilyasova?

Or send them 6, Reke, and QPon for Oladipo, Jason Smith, and 41. We would have 39, 40, & 41. Package those picks to get 26 from the 76ers, so they can add more players. Take Bembry, Beasley, or Richardson at 26. Sign Harrison Barnes. Illyasova is a free agent I believe and I would love to get Jason Smith back on this team.

C: Asik, Ajinca
PF: AD, Smith
SF: Barnes, Cunningham
SG: Oladipo, Bembry
PG: Jrue, Frazier

I'd take that team for sure

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Or send them 6, Reke, and QPon for Oladipo, Jason Smith, and 41. We would have 39, 40, & 41. Package those picks to get 26 from the 76ers, so they can add more players. Take Bembry, Beasley, or Richardson at 26. Sign Harrison Barnes. Illyasova is a free agent I believe and I would love to get Jason Smith back on this team.

C: Asik, Ajinca
PF: AD, Smith
SF: Barnes, Cunningham
SG: Oladipo, Bembry
PG: Jrue, Frazier

I'd take that team for sure

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Ilyasova has 1 year left.

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Originally Posted by 704Pelicanfan

Ilyasova has 1 year left.

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Oh yes he has a team option, so if they decide to keep him for almost 8 million I think. Can they trade him with a team option? I guess they could.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Oh yes he has a team option, so if they decide to keep him for almost 8 million I think. Can they trade him with a team option? I guess they could.

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Being that the draft is before FA, that could pose a problem..

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Originally Posted by 704Pelicanfan

How does the board feel about trading #6 + Evans to ORL for Dipo + Ilyasova?

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There is a very short list of players I'd accept us trading the 6th for.

None of those are Dipo and Ilyasova.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

There is a very short list of players I'd accept us trading the 6th for.

None of those are Dipo and Ilyasova.

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Really? Dunn would be the only guy I would want over Oladipo. Oladipo is an all around player that can stuff the stat sheet. He can get you 16-18 points, 5 boards, 4-5 assists, and 1-2 steals a game. Dunn is the only one out of the guards that can put up those kind of stats IMO. Dunn will get you more assists, but both Buddy & Murray may give you more points than Dipo.

Nothing against him. I am just vehemently against trading this pick for almost anyone. Not even because of who specifically we get.

Oladipo though? smh

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

There is a very short list of players I'd accept us trading the 6th for.

None of those are Dipo and Ilyasova.

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This, im not sure if i would even trade the pick. We wont get Butler or George talent for the 6th pick, so i would swing for the fences for a rookie on good salary and potential.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ut9b-Gx3So/

Huh. So that's Thon Maker's build ages ago...

Wonder where he's at now and how much more muscle he can really pack on without slowing down...

The word in Treviso among NBA folks is that Turkish SG Furkan Korkmaz is likely to pull his name out of draft.

— NBADraft.net (@nbadraftnet) 13th June 2016

so one late lottery pick might be gone

today is Early Entry Entrant Withdrawal Deadline

So Valentine has knee issues so we can stop talking about him

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

So Valentine has knee issues so we can stop talking about him

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Two of the main ones mentioned that could slip some are Denzel Valentine (knees) and Tyler Ulis (hips) https://t.co/IgrNqPRBHJ

— NBADraft.net (@nbadraftnet) 13 th June 2016

To be fair, Dunn had bigger issues with injuries...

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Originally Posted by pawel

The word in Treviso among NBA folks is that Turkish SG Furkan Korkmaz is likely to pull his name out of draft.

— NBADraft.net (@nbadraftnet) 13th June 2016

so one late lottery pick might be gone

today is Early Entry Entrant Withdrawal Deadline

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Yeah, I read that if he did not get a promise in the lottery, he would pull his name out.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Two of the main ones mentioned that could slip some are Denzel Valentine (knees) and Tyler Ulis (hips) https://t.co/IgrNqPRBHJ

— NBADraft.net (@nbadraftnet) 13 th June 2016

To be fair, Dunn had bigger issues with injuries...

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Shoulder injuries arent as big if a problem as knees. Your shoulder muscles and bones can get stronger after injury. Your knees cartilage and ligamate only continue to deteriorate.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Really? Dunn would be the only guy I would want over Oladipo. Oladipo is an all around player that can stuff the stat sheet. He can get you 16-18 points, 5 boards, 4-5 assists, and 1-2 steals a game. Dunn is the only one out of the guards that can put up those kind of stats IMO. Dunn will get you more assists, but both Buddy & Murray may give you more points than Dipo.

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Players on other teams are like the other woman. She great until you divorce your wife and marry the other woman
VO is a poor fit for Gentry.

I think Philly will make a trade with Boston or Phoenix. I previously thought Philly would select Dunn. Now I believe Murray will be the pick. Murray will be a point but the offense will flow through Simmons.

My guess for the Pels is now Bender. The dynamics of the organization has shifted with Ferry. Ferry likes shooters and Euros. I don't know anything about Bender except what I read.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Nothing against him. I am just vehemently against trading this pick for almost anyone. Not even because of who specifically we get.

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How about Evan Fournier or Allen Crabbe? Or Mirotic

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Originally Posted by Tinman

How about Evan Fournier or Allen Crabbe? Or Mirotic

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I think the first two are free agents.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I think the first two are free agents.

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You are correct. They are restricted FA.
Correct me if I'm wrong, - Can Orlando give the QO to Fournier for the 1 yr & do a sign & trade.
If you know the rule, I'm all ears. Maybe we need McNamara.

Actual injuries (Dunn missed an entire season due to a shoulder injury) should count for more than rumored issues (which could come from teams hoping to depress a player's draft stock).

I have a feeling Dunn and Murray will go top 5. Hield sluips to us I reckon.

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

I have a feeling Dunn and Murray will go top 5. Hield sluips to us I reckon.

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I hope Hield Slips right past us. I don't want'em .

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Originally Posted by Tinman

You are correct. They are restricted FA.
Correct me if I'm wrong, - Can Orlando give the QO to Fournier for the 1 yr & do a sign & trade.
If you know the rule, I'm all ears. Maybe we need McNamara.

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There may be a loophole, but the easy answer is no (it has never happened). The Pelicans cannot negotiate with a restricted FA prior to the beginning of free agency (which is after the draft). Therefore, they cannot agree on a contract that would be amenable to a restricted free agent in order for a S&T to even be a possibility.

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Originally Posted by Lelicans

I have a feeling Dunn and Murray will go top 5. Hield sluips to us I reckon.

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This a tough draft to figure out. After Simmons and Ingram, there is a group of 6-8 players that could go anywhere from 3-10 and not be a surprise.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Actual injuries (Dunn missed an entire season due to a shoulder injury) should count for more than rumored issues (which could come from teams hoping to depress a player's draft stock).

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Totally fair, and I'm a big time fan of Dunn.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

There may be a loophole, but the easy answer is no (it has never happened). The Pelicans cannot negotiate with a restricted FA prior to the beginning of free agency (which is after the draft). Therefore, they cannot agree on a contract that would be amenable to a restricted free agent in order for a S&T to even be a possibility.

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Well ok then.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Actual injuries (Dunn missed an entire season due to a shoulder injury) should count for more than rumored issues (which could come from teams hoping to depress a player's draft stock).

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If its showing up in their medical records of preexisting conditions and concerns I don't its just rumored.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

If its showing up in their medical records of preexisting conditions and concerns I don't its just rumored.

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You're reading those reports? Seemed like you're going off a tweet from NBADraft.net, from "NBA scouts" third hand. Dunn, on the other hand, we know was injured because it was reported.

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Originally Posted by pawel

The word in Treviso among NBA folks is that Turkish SG Furkan Korkmaz is likely to pull his name out of draft.

— NBADraft.net (@nbadraftnet) 13th June 2016

so one late lottery pick might be gone

today is Early Entry Entrant Withdrawal Deadline

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Saw a tweet from, Fraschilla that Korkmaz was staying in the draft. He may have gotten the promise he was looking for.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, I read that if he did not get a promise in the lottery, he would pull his name out.

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Ford and Fraschilla both reporting Korkmaz will stay in draft and likely to be drafted 10-12.

ETA - should have read to the end to see someone already psted this.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

You're reading those reports? Seemed like you're going off a tweet from NBADraft.net, from "NBA scouts" third hand. Dunn, on the other hand, we know was injured because it was reported.

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Yes that's where I'm getting it from. Valentine medical files are going to every team. Its not like Dunn who said he's with holding his medical records from certain teams. So it's not unlikely that's its true. If it is true you still think its worth the risk to take a guy with knee issues? I think the shoulder problem isn't as big especially is his medical record says there is no problem unlike what is seeming to be said about Valentine.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

There may be a loophole, but the easy answer is no (it has never happened). The Pelicans cannot negotiate with a restricted FA prior to the beginning of free agency (which is after the draft). Therefore, they cannot agree on a contract that would be amenable to a restricted free agent in order for a S&T to even be a possibility.

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Even if you put aside the CBA and they could somehow agree to terms why would you trade a high lottery pick for someone you could get for just cap space? A star on a rookie scale contract in the new cap environment is gold. You don't give up the potential opportunity to have a cheap star in order to sign a non-star to a huge deal and not have their team match. Cuban's mindset is the right one to take regaridng 1st round picks in the new cap environment: "We won't trade a future pick unless there is a deal good enough that they would fire the other general manager for making."

The following players will participate in a pre-draft workout today with the Pelicans #PelicansDraft pic.twitter.com/SDaZo2uc9X

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) June 13, 2016

Not too many big men, mostly 3&D and bigger PGs

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Yes that's where I'm getting it from. Valentine medical files are going to every team. Its not like Dunn who said he's with holding his medical records from certain teams. So it's not unlikely that's its true. If it is true you still think its worth the risk to take a guy with knee issues? I think the shoulder problem isn't as big especially is his medical record says there is no problem unlike what is seeming to be said about Valentine.

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Remember when injury issues helped Jared Sullinger fall in the draft? He's racked up more win shares than 15 of the 20 players selected ahead of him through four seasons. A higher VORP than everyone but Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, and Andre Drummond.

Let's rule out Valentine. No way that ever seems foolish with hindsight. Every mock draft proves out to be genius later.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

The following players will participate in a pre-draft workout today with the Pelicans #PelicansDraft pic.twitter.com/SDaZo2uc9X

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) June 13, 2016

Not too many big men, mostly 3&D and bigger PGs

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Thomas Walkup is a huge overachiever, but I don't think he has a place in the NBA. I love Perry Ellis, and he seems to be a Lance Thomas type.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Remember when injury issues helped Jared Sullinger fall in the draft? He's racked up more win shares than 15 of the 20 players selected ahead of him through four seasons. A higher VORP than everyone but Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, and Andre Drummond.

Let's rule out Valentine. No way that ever seems foolish with hindsight. Every mock draft proves out to be genius later.

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Jared Sullinger didn't play for the Pelicans where you need another Knee surgery after the first one to fix what the last one messed up.

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Remember when injury issues helped Jared Sullinger fall in the draft? He's racked up more win shares than 15 of the 20 players selected ahead of him through four seasons. A higher VORP than everyone but Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, and Andre Drummond.

Let's rule out Valentine. No way that ever seems foolish with hindsight. Every mock draft proves out to be genius later.

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Only the teams know how serious the injury is (or the potential for future issues). However, you cannot assume that if one player plays well after being labeled with an injury that all players will have the same fate. How many other players coming out with injuries are now out of the league?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Thomas Walkup is a huge overachiever, but I don't think he has a place in the NBA. I love Perry Ellis, and he seems to be a Lance Thomas type.

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3 years ago i'd say he has no shot of sticking around - even today it's a long shot. But these bigger guards who can play two positions, distribute and put the ball on the floor are wanted more than ever. I still think he goes undrafted but if there was ever a time he was going to get drafted, he's fortunate to be in this current draft class

Didn't see it posted, but Pels supposedly scheduled a workout with Dejounte Murray. Need to go back and find where I saw it, but remember reading it somewhere this weekend.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Jared Sullinger didn't play for the Pelicans where you need another Knee surgery after the first one to fix what the last one messed up.

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So, clearly, we should be confident drafting a player with multiple labrum injuries considering the history here?

Excited we brought in Yabusele. Would love him on the team, but don't see him being around at 39. Prince ibeh could be a very solid backup defensive big with his length and agility, but seems like he still needs a lot of development at 22.

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Originally Posted by Euphonetiks

Didn't see it posted, but Pels supposedly scheduled a workout with Dejounte Murray. Need to go back and find where I saw it, but remember reading it somewhere this weekend.

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Dejounte Murray has been working out in Cleveland. Teams have seen him there. Only teams he's traveling to: Milwaukee, Utah, PHX, NO

— Matt Petersen (@TheMattPetersen) June 10, 2016

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

So, clearly, we should be confident drafting a player with multiple labrum injuries considering the history here?

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Kobe played with a torn Labrum for 10 years, AD played with, and Gordon. Its not nearly as serious a knee issues and for you to think different is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

Dejounte Murray has been working out in Cleveland. Teams have seen him there. Only teams he's traveling to: Milwaukee, Utah, PHX, NO

— Matt Petersen (@TheMattPetersen) June 10, 2016

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At this point I don't think there is a prospect we haven't seen. I also hope we keep our 2 seconds this year it would be nice to have 3 rookies and put some youth on this team.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

At this point I don't think there is a prospect we haven't seen. I also hope we keep our 2 seconds this year it would be nice to have 3 rookies and put some youth on this team.

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I wonder if the lack of PFs & Cs is any indication of their intention to bring back RyNo. If they really had a first rounder on the table from the Cavs for him and passed it up maybe he's still part of the future of the team here

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

I wonder if the lack of PFs & Cs is any indication of their intention to bring back RyNo. If they really had a first rounder on the table from the Cavs for him and passed it up maybe he's still part of the future of the team here

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Is that good or bad ?

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

I wonder if the lack of PFs & Cs is any indication of their intention to bring back RyNo. If they really had a first rounder on the table from the Cavs for him and passed it up maybe he's still part of the future of the team here

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I think the first rounder came with taking long term salary maybe Andy's contract which was the deal breaker. I don't see them bringing Ryan back anyway between the money he'll get, lack of D, and injury concerns.