2022 NBA Draft Lottery

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Would think not sooner than deadline unless return is too good to pass up.

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From what’s been said, return for us would be higher now than the deadline. Unless he really comes out and kills it

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Probably Sharpe though.

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Honestly think Duren would be available, and if you're certain you're shipping Jax (which we should) then I'd like that pick up. I am very much in on Duren being able to play immediate minutes and having a fairly high ceiling.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, you'll notice in the very comment you're responding to, I literally say ''he's not a defensive plus right now, that much is evident''. You don't need to confidence me that he's not an elite defender, I already conceded that he's *at best* neutral.

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Neutral? At the very best he's bad.

He did nore chasing than Wiley Coyote with even worse results. He was abysmal and MAC's right; he's probably capable but lazy on the defensive end.

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Originally Posted by coreylaron

Match Steph Curry?s production??

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I used the word help because it would have to be a collective effort most likely


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Originally Posted by Taker597

I don't get it. winning games 88-82 isn't sustainable success just like winning games 131-128 ain't either

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I get what you?re saying however i am thinking of the probability of W based on the math. If the opposing team is on fire with three?s and we still are playing our best defense while only scoring two?s. Don?t think you think the odds of us winning the game are low? I mean we may keep it somewhat close but i have seen too many games to know the likely outcome.

Caesar's Sportbook has these odds for the Pels pick at #8:

All three at +450
Dyson Daniels
AJ Griffin
Shaedon Sharpe

Interesting. I lean towards Sharpe.

It will be Daniels, then Mathurin, then Dieng

I don’t know if you can bet in real time but the second Woj announces the 7th pick, bet big in that order depending on who is on the board

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It will be Daniels, then Mathurin, then Dieng

I don’t know if you can bet in real time but the second Woj announces the 7th pick, bet big in that order depending on who is on the board

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OK...but be advised...if I lose...I'll be "livin' in a van, down by the river !!"

I'm rooting for chaos. Let me know when the regular season starts, and then I will care.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Cesspool of klansman. Heh.

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I lurk over there and they're the most racist, sexist, homophobic group I've ever seen talk about sports. They need a moderator badly.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

It's an 8 man solid but not great draft and we get the last man.

Man... This draft would of sucked if Spurs didn't pull that late season run.

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Do you think that the Spurs' run was helped by a strategic loss by the Pelicans to the Spurs so the Spurs would wind up ahead of the Lakers?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Honestly think Duren would be available, and if you're certain you're shipping Jax (which we should) then I'd like that pick up. I am very much in on Duren being able to play immediate minutes and having a fairly high ceiling.

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I wouldn't call that a player "dropping neatly in our laps" as you put it. He is not projected to go top 8.

Why is Shamit tweeting about a possible drop for Murray to 8?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I wouldn't call that a player "dropping neatly in our laps" as you put it. He is not projected to go top 8.

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No, but he is within my own personal top 8, so I see it as falling into our laps even if whoever your favourite media guy is doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Heavy

Why is Shamit tweeting about a possible drop for Murray to 8?

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Because it is possible. There are only 4 locks to go 1-7. There is a scenario where any of the next 4 are the guy sitting there at 8.

For instance, Pistons like Mathurin a lot. He goes 5. Carlisle loves Daniels and convinces FO to go with him. Blazers take Sharpe because Dame loves him and voila, Murray is there. Or Indy trades their pick for Collins and 16, Hawks would take Daniels. Again, Sharpe to Blazers.

Likely? No. But anybody who has watched the draft for the last 15 years knows that something wild happens more likely than not. Danny Granger was mocked between 5-7 in every one I saw leading up to that draft. Same with Kawhi. Both fell. Justice Winslow was supposed to go between 4-6, went 10th. Haliburton was between 4-8 on most mocks, fell to 12. Nobody had Giddey going 6 last year. Before we traded the pick, people were saying he would be a reach at 10

I can list 1000 more examples. Stuff happens on the actual day

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Because it is possible. There are only 4 locks to go 1-7. There is a scenario where any of the next 4 are the guy sitting there at 8.

For instance, Pistons like Mathurin a lot. He goes 5. Carlisle loves Daniels and convinces FO to go with him. Blazers take Sharpe because Dame loves him and voila, Murray is there. Or Indy trades their pick for Collins and 16, Hawks would take Daniels. Again, Sharpe to Blazers.

Likely? No. But anybody who has watched the draft for the last 15 years knows that something wild happens more likely than not. Danny Granger was mocked between 5-7 in every one I saw leading up to that draft. Same with Kawhi. Both fell. Justice Winslow was supposed to go between 4-6, went 10th. Haliburton was between 4-8 on most mocks, fell to 12. Nobody had Giddey going 6 last year. Before we traded the pick, people were saying he would be a reach at 10

I can list 1000 more examples. Stuff happens on the actual day

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How would you feel about Murray if he fell (instead of Daniels)?

Jump on him in a millisecond.

There are 8 guys. Whoever falls there, just take. Mathurin excites me the least of the 8, but still more than Dieng. I think they should just wait there and take whoever is left.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Jump on him in a millisecond.

There are 8 guys. Whoever falls there, just take. Mathurin excites me the least of the 8, but still more than Dieng. I think they should just wait there and take whoever is left.

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I agree with you on that. I think it is an 8 player draft.

I wish somehow Murray would fall to us. I haven't really talked much about him because I didn't think there was a chance. I hope he falls to us!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I agree with you on that. I think it is an 8 player draft.

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I mean, history will say it isnt and several guys will be better than a few in that 8. But right now, I just cant talk myself into anybody over any of those 8. But again, history will prove me wrong. Dont mean I wont have an opinion tomorrow night lol

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I mean, history will say it isnt and several guys will be better than a few in that 8. But right now, I just cant talk myself into anybody over any of those 8. But again, history will prove me wrong. Dont mean I wont have an opinion tomorrow night lol

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Yeah, probably 3-5 will disappoint based on where selected.

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Originally Posted by coreylaron

How soon y?all wanna get rid of Jaxson? Before/on draft night? Deadline? Ride it out to free agency?

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Keep Hayes and trade Valanciunas at the 2024 trade deadline.

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Originally Posted by Heavy

Why is Shamit tweeting about a possible drop for Murray to 8?

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Age tends to always drags down a player stock at the very end....

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1...ghtmode%3Dtrue

Not always age. Winslow was young, Haliburton too. A lot of guys who drop are age, but I also see a lot of guys fall who werent top recruits or who do a lot well but nothing perceived to be great, or strangely were really productive in school (as some think they've reached their ceiling as a result). Johnny Davis would be an example of this for those who believe in him.

I think Ivey and Mathurin go 4 and 5. And if we think Sharpe or Daniels goes 7, then it all comes down to Indy. If they dont take Murray, he is probably there at 8

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Originally Posted by Taker597

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1...ghtmode%3Dtrue

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Good thing we have someone to give us a scoop. Finally!!

Hmm

One of my favorite microskills from this draft is Dyson Daniels' close-out containment.

His ability to recover, flip his hips, and stay in front is really high level. pic.twitter.com/zm8gNosXpw

— Eric Shapiro (@eric_shap) June 22, 2022

Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2022

Have to assume that takes Atlanta out of the running for 7, which is positive news. I’m not sure Portland is done, but don’t see them pairing Collins with Grant

Chips beginning to fall. Surprised Grant was that cheap honestly.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2022

Have to assume that takes Atlanta out of the running for 7, which is positive news. I’m not sure Portland is done, but don’t see them pairing Collins with Grant

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So, they got Jerami Grant for the pick we got from Milwaukee (and traded to them in the CJ deal)? Seems like a bargain.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, they got Jerami Grant for the pick we got from Milwaukee (and traded to them in the CJ deal)? Seems like a bargain.

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Especially because, I may be misremembering here so someone please correct me if I am, there are protections on that pick anyway so even if it ends up being excellent somehow (top 5?) it then conveys as 2 second rounders instead and we get the pick.

I just can’t get their on Dieng. I see the upside and understand the allure, but at our slot I’m not sure how heavily that weighs into my decision. There would be several guys after Daniels and Mathurin I would have above Dieng. Sochan would be ahead of all of them.

This international prospect C. Simmons is intriguing, 6'9 athletic shot-blocker, experienced. What's his draft range?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qpyC8TcJQ&t=51s

The only 6'9 international C named Cedric Simmons I know is 36 years old

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The only 6'9 international C named Cedric Simmons I know is 36 years old

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Pelicans/Hornets 2006 draft legend Cedric Simmons. I had a flashback - that was the first offseason I followed the team, the first draft I followed. Wanted Sefolosha or Brewer, we drafted Hilton Armstrong at 12, Cedric Simmons at 15. My brother picked Cedric as his favorite, so I picked Hilton. What a long journey it's been, folks.

Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 22, 2022

So Toronto may move up to 7 with OG.... that would certainly shake things up if they are locked-in on Daniels. But hopefully it's for their Canadian hero, Sharpe.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 22, 2022

So Toronto may move up to 7 with OG.... that would certainly shake things up if they are locked-in on Daniels. But hopefully it's for their Canadian hero, Sharpe.

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That could be a problem for Daniels to NOLA. I think Toronto likes him.

Toronto likes Daniels and Mathurin. Would not be good for the Pels at all. Need Portland to stay there and take Sharpe

Let's hope Masai holds strong, makes super high extra trade demands for OG, too high for Portland to include extra (future lightly/un- protected picks)

That’s so initial post

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I mean, technically, I have Sharpe over Daniels on my board, so I want Sharpe to be there at 8. Just still sounds like there is no desire on our end to take him. Unless everyone in that building is leaking that as a long con to make other teams think they dont want Sharpe. But thats not how this FO usually operates. Its pretty well known who they want at this point. We knew Kira and Trey the day before, and in the weeks leading up

Well that sucks

Anyone else like Badji in the second round? What about Isaiah Mobley? https://youtu.be/j6-Rh2JDRuM

Ousmane Dieng wowed the Pelicans in a private workout and is under serious consideration at No. 8, per @DraftExpress.

— Evan Sidery (@esidery) June 23, 2022

If the Pelicans are unintentionally leaking news out of their building in a draft that has a tier ending at 8 and they have the 8th pick... that should really bother all of us. Organizational leaks like this should not be normal. The news coming out of the Pelicans should be that they believe it's an 8 man draft and will happily stay at 8. Loose Lips Sink Ships. Unless a lot of this is a smokescreen, there's no value to the Pelicans in any of this being out there.

Dieng at 8 puts a bad taste in my mouth. Also I dont know anything about these kids and I'm going to cheer for the guy. Cant wait for the draft speculation so we can get to FA speculation, much more fun!

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No offense but that?s a really bad comp IMO. Show me the games where White grabbed 18 boards. Show me White?s floater game or blocks at the rim. Covington on D and Ingles meets Hart on O is the comp IMO

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In a conference with Morant, Luka, Curry, and Dame. I think Daniels is the perfect counter. Can?t wait to see him go up against those guys on the defensive side of the ball.

If Daniels and Mathurin are gone at 8, and they can't find a trade partner... Unless Murray somehow drops I don't know what else they can do besides take Dieng.