Draft Prospects Discussion

murray looking like the third wheel on a hot date, with gentry wanting some dempsical.

they may choose anyone, does not matter
but it is good that they are - hopefully- at least considering him

i think they value Murray, Hield & Dunn pretty much the same and expect only one to be available at #6 so the decision will kind of make itself. If they're gone they trade back fro Valentine (as other members have mentioned previously). Would be interesting to see what they do if two of them are available at #6

Wouldn't read TOO much into Murray working out for the Pelicans. Good to see the team doing due diligence. Doesn't tip their hand on preference.

New updated DX mock.

Marquese Chriss going 3rd, Baldwin going 10th, Valentine going 20th.

Pels picking up Buddy, Cordiner, and McCaw

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

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Originally Posted by David Fisher

Wouldn't read TOO much into Murray working out for the Pelicans. Good to see the team doing due diligence. Doesn't tip their hand on preference.

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I don't think it tips their hand other than showing they are considering him which they should be. I hope Ford posts some anthropomorphic stats for Jamal Murray at some point like he did with Simmons and Dejounte today. Really curious to see how accurate the Kentucky pro day measurements and testing were.

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Originally Posted by Kumar

New updated DX mock.

Marquese Chriss going 3rd, Baldwin going 10th, Valentine going 20th.

Pels picking up Buddy, Cordiner, and McCaw

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/

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Swap Bentil with Cordiner and I would cry tears of happiness. I absolutely love the length on McCaw for a 2 and it gives him the ability to play the 3 but I think he goes before 39 and 40. Anyway I would be pretty happy with this lineup:

Jrue/Frazier
Qpon/Buddy/McCaw
FA/Ennis
AD/Cunningham/Bentil
Asik/Ajinca/Perkins

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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

Swap Bentil with Cordiner and I would cry tears of happiness. I absolutely love the length on McCaw for a 2 and it gives him the ability to play the 3 but I think he goes before 39 and 40. Anyway I would be pretty happy with this lineup:

Jrue/Frazier
Qpon/Buddy/McCaw
FA/Ennis
AD/Cunningham/Bentil
Asik/Ajinca/Perkins

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I agree with this but replace Buddy with Valentine and a 1st round big. Hopefully we trade down and pick up another first round pick and Valentine.

Drafting three SG doesn't make much sense to me. And in that situation, I'd rather we take AJ Hammons.

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

I agree with this but replace Buddy with Valentine and a 1st round big. Hopefully we trade down and pick up another first round pick and Valentine.

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I don't think there is a very high chance of going in with 3 rookies, I think we sell or stash one of the 2nds so I think there is no way we go in with 4

If Chriss went before us in the draft that would be great, would push a player down to us at a position of need. We would be almost guarenteed 1 of Hield or Dunn, almost.

Id trade down with Denver grab ellerson/ sabonis at 15 then grab Valentine at 19. Trade up with sixers to get one of their late picks and grab bembry or Beasley for Ajinca and 2nd. Then with last 2nd grab levert. I've been eyeballing the pg Dejounte Murray from Washington as a good backup combo guard just not sure if I'd pull the trigger or not. There are so many players I like in the second round.

Does the 6th pick for Barton, 15, & 19 sound fair? I like it and there should be some good options at 15 & 19.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Drafting three SG doesn't make much sense to me. And in that situation, I'd rather we take AJ Hammons.

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I'm with you. But I can totally see them using Cordinier as a Eurostash. His situation is pretty fluid. He is only 19 and a crazy athlete. You'd just be bringing in McCaw.

What player are they trading up for that we shouldn't take for ourselves? Do you really like someone else more than the guys nearer the top?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Drafting three SG doesn't make much sense to me. And in that situation, I'd rather we take AJ Hammons.

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The 2 guys I really really want in the 2nd round. AJ Hammons, and Wayne Selden.

I kinda really want Dunn after researching the picks some. I'd also trade up to grab Prince if possible or even Valentine if he's falling that far. That'd give us outstanding perimeter depth and should help our defense quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I kinda really want Dunn after researching the picks some. I'd also trade up to grab Prince if possible or even Valentine if he's falling that far. That'd give us outstanding perimeter depth and should help our defense quite a bit.

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I told you guys about Dunn. The more research you do on him, the more you will fall in love with him. I've grown more with Buddy as well. Either or of those guys will be amazing to me. I may be in the minority, but not having a top two pick is not the end of the world to me. I think Buddy and Dunn will truly be the best two players from this draft when it's all said and Dunn.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The 2 guys I really really want in the 2nd round. AJ Hammons, and Wayne Selden.

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Never been a big fan of either guys.

Assuming that at least one of Bender, Brown and Chriss (new DA mock - surprise, surprise) will go in the top-5, Pels will have one of Dunn/Murray/Hield. And I like it...

As to second rounders/late first rounders: Bobby Marks mentioned that draft is deep in that range and insiders are surprised that player X who team Y loves is projected by another team as an undrafted etc
So there will be movement up and down and for sure very nice prospects will be there at 39&40

I would love someone from group
PG -LeVert, Payton
SG-Cordiner, McCaw, Brogdon, Selden, McClellan
SF-Bembry (will go in the 1st probably), Zipser
PF-Johnson, Bentil
C-Hammons

give me 1-2 of them and I am happy...

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I told you guys about Dunn. The more research you do on him, the more you will fall in love with him. I've grown more with Buddy as well. Either or of those guys will be amazing to me. I may be in the minority, but not having a top two pick is not the end of the world to me. I think Buddy and Dunn will truly be the best two players from this draft when it's all said and Dunn.

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I've reached the same point. I'll be happy with either. Murray is kind of growing on me too, but I'm trying to keep him out of the picture due to the narrative that the Pels won't consider taking underclassmen.

Buddy is our best bet, if he's not there I'd love Dunn. If we get Dunn I would Trade Tyreke for a late first round pick and try to get Valentine. We need a high motion offense with excellent passers. Valentine would fit will with our team. He's a Shane Battier type. Smart and a balanced player. Good leadership. Evans is a ball hog and doesn't fit well with what we are trying to do. Dunn can replace him and play better defense and run the offense with jrue. I think if we can land Dunn and get Valentine we will be in good position to get at least 2 impact players in free agency and a hopefully 2 experienced veterans.

I see something like this happening: Dunn, valentine or another solid SF and or PF in the draft.
FREE AGENCY: Al Horford and Matt Barnes or Harrison Barnes

Starting lineup:
Holiday
Qpon
Matt Barnes or Harrison Barnes
AD
Horford

Bench (main rotation)
Dunn
Ennis
Frazier
Cunningham
Asik
Ajinca



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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I told you guys about Dunn. The more research you do on him, the more you will fall in love with him. I've grown more with Buddy as well. Either or of those guys will be amazing to me. I may be in the minority, but not having a top two pick is not the end of the world to me. I think Buddy and Dunn will truly be the best two players from this draft when it's all said and Dunn.

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I see what you did there!

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

Does the 6th pick for Barton, 15, & 19 sound fair? I like it and there should be some good options at 15 & 19.

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I would do it but not sure about the Nuggets. Depends on how much they love a guy at 6. If they really like Hield or Murray maybe. They have the 7th already and may like the idea of two of the guys at 6/7. Mudiay, Hield/Murray and Brown would be a nice wing core for them.

We could then end up with Barton/Luwawu/Valentine. I would be happy with that. All three guys would be able to play sg and sf. Trade Reke for a late first rounder and pick Ulis. Then use a second on a Big. Go all out on Whiteside in free agency and settle for Biyombo if that is a no go. Ship Asik to the land of forgotten toys for a broken Jack-in-the-box.

Jrue/Frazier/Ulis
Qpon/Valentine/Luwawu
Barton/Luwawu/Ennis
Davis/Cunningham/Babbitt
Whiteside/Ajinca/Hammons or Biyombo/Ajinca/Hammons

What a stupid mock draft
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
3 point guards?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

What a stupid mock draft
http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft
3 point guards?

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usually i swear by NBA Draft past years but i'm very confused by their mocks all year this year

Regarding mock drafts. They reflect estimates of player ability and other things. It is quite simple. To assume that is all they are or that others assume that is silly.

To that end, there was silliness in this thread recently.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

I told you guys about Dunn. The more research you do on him, the more you will fall in love with him. I've grown more with Buddy as well. Either or of those guys will be amazing to me. I may be in the minority, but not having a top two pick is not the end of the world to me. I think Buddy and Dunn will truly be the best two players from this draft when it's all said and Dunn.

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Yep. I hadn't researched anyone earlier but Dunn sure seems like he is just a polished shot and not forcing stuff as much from being set. My biggest worry is he's too good of a fit for Tom T and the wolves will grab him first. I *definitely* don't want the 76ers trading back into 3-5 now either.

As far as Hield goes, it's hard to deny his shooting. There's also not a huge age difference between Dunn and him so I wouldn't be upset if we had to take him if Dunn was gone. The added length on his arms is what puts him over Murray for me. I just feel he might be able to be better on the defensive end.

Valentine looks like a guy that I don't understand why he keeps dropping. He looks so if he's almost as good of a shooter as Hield while being Much better passer and defender.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Valentine looks like a guy that I don't understand why he keeps dropping. He looks so if he's almost as good of a shooter as Hield while being Much better passer and defender.

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My understanding is that Valentine is a decent team defender, but terrible man defender. I read that MSU had to cover him on defense because of his liabilities.

What do you guys think of Jarrod Uthoff as a 2nd round prospect?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Uthoff-41067/

Quick hits: 6'10" SF. Good shooter. Fair athlete.

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Possessing a strong feel for the game, Uthoff posted the second lowest turnover rate among the 267 players that used over 500 possessions last season, due in some part to his shot selection, but also thanks to his patience and understanding of his role and limitations. He's not a prolific playmaker, but is a willing passer as well.

Defensively, Uthoff is a fairly unique player on paper. He was one of just eight NCAA players, and only two from high major conferences along with Chris Boucher, to play over 25 minutes per game and average over 1 steal and 3 blocks per-40 minutes pace adjusted. Uthoff may not be the quickest, longest, or most physically imposing defender, but he is a bit of a savant when it comes to contesting shots, showing impressive anticipation and a knack for getting his hand on the ball cleanly just as the opposing shooter is releasing it at and away from the rim.

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Down sides are he is 23 and people are concerned if he might be in a tweener status for the NBA, not being able to defend either position.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

My understanding is that Valentine is a decent team defender, but terrible man defender. I read that MSU had to cover him on defense because of his liabilities.

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Weird. That's the same knock on Hield. He's more of a space defender than a man.

Patrick McCaw is an interesting prospect. His weight is a negative as he's like 180lbs, but he has that Anthony Davis outta Kentucky build with very broad shoulders. Only, y'know. 6'6".

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/d...?itok=bOUCqetH

He also is very bit the smooth athlete Davis is...except 6'6" is a better shooter than he's been before and can really facilitate. Not to mention he's a very good defender with a knack for steals. Well worth a 2nd round pick.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Patrick McCaw is an interesting prospect. His weight is a negative as he's like 180lbs, but he has that Anthony Davis outta Kentucky build with very broad shoulders. Only, y'know. 6'6".

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/d...?itok=bOUCqetH

He also is very bit the smooth athlete Davis is...except 6'6" is a better shooter than he's been before and can really facilitate. Well worth a 2nd round pick.

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I was actually looking into him the other day. I like his potential.

Jaylen Brown is second visiting top-6 prospect in NO.
Per BDawson.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Jaylen Brown is second visiting top-6 prospect in NO.
Per BDawson.

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His second visiting with us or is the second visiting prospect? Not comprehending this tweet right.

Some analytical draft models to consider with some favorite Pelicans prospects:

College Prospect Rankings

Jamal Murray: 8.2 (4th)
Buddy Hield: 6.3 (10th)
Denzel Valentine: 5.6 (12th)
Kris Dunn: 4.2 (21st)

PAWS
Unfortunately includes only his top 10 prospects, most of whom are big men. Third chart.

Denzel Valentine: 5.23 (8th)
Kris Dunn: 5.16 (9th)

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Buddy is our best bet, if he's not there I'd love Dunn. If we get Dunn I would Trade Tyreke for a late first round pick and try to get Valentine. We need a high motion offense with excellent passers. Valentine would fit will with our team. He's a Shane Battier type. Smart and a balanced player. Good leadership. Evans is a ball hog and doesn't fit well with what we are trying to do. Dunn can replace him and play better defense and run the offense with jrue. I think if we can land Dunn and get Valentine we will be in good position to get at least 2 impact players in free agency and a hopefully 2 experienced veterans.

I see something like this happening: Dunn, valentine or another solid SF and or PF in the draft.
FREE AGENCY: Al Horford and Matt Barnes or Harrison Barnes

Starting lineup:
Holiday
Qpon
Matt Barnes or Harrison Barnes
AD
Horford

Bench (main rotation)
Dunn
Ennis
Frazier
Cunningham
Asik
Ajinca



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This would be cool.

But because I think that it probably isn't realistic. Would someone give up thay for Reke? And would Valentine fall that far?

Would be nice, though.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

This would be cool.

But because I think that it probably isn't realistic. Would someone give up thay for Reke? And would Valentine fall that far?

Would be nice, though.

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I saw a trade from a Hawks fan on Realgm that said Reke and 39 for 21. I would do it.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

His second visiting with us or is the second visiting prospect? Not comprehending this tweet right.

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He is 2nd top6 prospect invited by Pels. After Murray.
Isaiah Cordiner will also visit NO. SG from France.

I've been watching highlights of prospects and I think I'd rather Baldwin over Dunn. He just looks more explosive and doesn't seem to have the injury factor. I also love Beasley and Bembry. We need to find a way to get these 3 guys. Jrue and Reke can still start but Baldwin and either Beasley or Bembry would be awesome off the bench. This way I don't have a problem over spending for a SF.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I've been watching highlights of prospects and I think I'd rather Baldwin over Dunn. He just looks more explosive and doesn't seem to have the injury factor. I also love Beasley and Bembry. We need to find a way to get these 3 guys. Jrue and Reke can still start but Baldwin and either Beasley or Bembry would be awesome off the bench. This way I don't have a problem over spending for a SF.

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Dunn is twice as skilled. And frankly, we have had guys with perfect injury records come here and get broken down. And then Eric Gordon turns out to be one of our healthiest players until the end of last season.

Just gotta write that off. Can't control or predict it anyway. So factoring that in unless a guy really is always hurt isn't worrying me much.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I saw a trade from a Hawks fan on Realgm that said Reke and 39 for 21. I would do it.

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Quick accept that trade! Lol

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I saw a trade from a Hawks fan on Realgm that said Reke and 39 for 21. I would do it.

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DO IT! I'll even throw in a free frogurt!

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Originally Posted by pawel

He is 2nd top6 prospect invited by Pels. After Murray.
Isaiah Cordiner will also visit NO. SG from France.

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Thanks Buddy man.

A team that may want to make some trade on draft night is Denver, they've got 3 first rounders, total of 5 picks and already a logjam in the froncourt. I don't think they want that much of rookies for next year.

I don't know how they feel about their center position but I think I may take a hard look for trade like 6th pick for 15 + Nurkic or even the 6th for 15+19+Lauvergne

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Dunn is twice as skilled. And frankly, we have had guys with perfect injury records come here and get broken down. And then Eric Gordon turns out to be one of our healthiest players until the end of last season.

Just gotta write that off. Can't control or predict it anyway. So factoring that in unless a guy really is always hurt isn't worrying me much.

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This.

Because of the multiple picks and lack of picks - there will be big movements before/on the draft
NYK, BRK wants to buy a pick. PTB, OKC, CLE, WAS, MIA dont have a pick...

BOS, PHI and DEN have multiple 1st rounders. Some may go draft and stash, but for the right price they will move them...

Baldwin is a very nice prospect for the late lottery.
I am still not 100% decided how I rank Dunn, Murray and Hield...

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Originally Posted by pawel

Because of the multiple picks and lack of picks - there will be big movements before/on the draft
NYK, BRK wants to buy a pick. PTB, OKC, CLE, WAS, MIA dont have a pick...

BOS, PHI and DEN have multiple 1st rounders. Some may go draft and stash, but for the right price they will move them...

Baldwin is a very nice prospect for the late lottery.
I am still not 100% decided how I rank Dunn, Murray and Hield...

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For me Dunn and Hield are a toss up, I would literally rank them the same and if I had to choose between the 2 of them I would go for position of need. I have Murray behind both of them.

For now I have probably Dunn, Murray, Hield
with Murray for the potential.
But I am afraid that Thibs will select him with no5.

That is why I am praying for Bender/Brown/Chriss selection in the top-5 ----->>>>> and a choice of 2 from Dunn/Murray/Hield

I think Thibs is going Dunn.