Who should become the first person to be drafted to the pelicans?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I've been on this board long enough to see all the substantial posters have left and been replaced with guys like you. We used to get into disagreements and they were great because the other guys were never demeaning. Now, when you don't agree with somebody you get called a troll.

And I'm done.

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You just quoted yourself :hihi:

Calm down, both of you. Lordy.

Let's talk more about Oladipo. :bow:

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Of course there's the other side of that coin. The longer we wait the closer he becomes to being a FA which also lower his value. I think most GM's are aware of EJ's potential when healthy. The question becomes do they think he can still healthy enough to justify the max deal and/or to give them the needed push.

He's not 100% and it's evident, but he's healthy enough to play. So I agree we don't need to rush trading him however moving him while he's healthy IMO gives us the most trade value. Another injury IMO kills any chance for us to get quality for him if we are going to be here long term.

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I see it like this. He did his rehab program successfully. He has played since. Not his choice to sit b2b like we all know of course. After him having this off season to get in 100% nba mode as to say. His judgment day should come after next season or at half way point. Do u agree?

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

GV isn't a top 20 PG either.

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But he averages a lot of assists!

Last I checked, this thread wasn't about Eric friggin Gordon. ;)

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Apparently you are right.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...ualified/false

But look at the guys listed ahead and below him. Advanced stats are crazy.

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And the PER stat doesn't even take into account defensive performance. Its similar to OPS in baseball which exclusively looks at offensive production. Looking at GV's win shares per 48 minutes shows he's in the bottom 5 of starting PGs in the league.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

O shut up. Everything dumb ive heard about him has probably come out of your mouth in the past hour. I mean... With all due respect...

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Yet you can't combat it with anything but "you are wrong!" Come on man, give me something of substance to think about.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I really wonder if he is truly stumped as to why ppl call him a troll.??? Some of the things he has said and claims made on the whole gv argument is just the tip of the iceberg. I see nobody else on this board that makes the outrageous And crazy proclamations this guy does. Yet he wonders why he gets associated with the word troll.

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Lol well i need to shut up as well. Me and UNO singlehandedly ruined this thread:hihi:

I sure wish a mod would get this thread back on topic. Jesus.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I really wonder if he is truly stumped as to why ppl call him a troll.??? Some of the things he has said and claims made on the whole gv argument is just the tip of the iceberg. I see nobody else on this board that makes the outrageous And crazy proclamations this guy does. Yet he wonders why he gets associated with the word troll.

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Reading comprehension. It's not the enemy you think it is.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

And the PER stat doesn't even take into account defensive performance. Its similar to OPS in baseball which exclusively looks at offensive production. Looking at GV's win shares per 48 minutes shows he's in the bottom 5 of starting PGs in the league.

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Where does that position everyone ahead and behind him in the standings?

Back on topic....oladipo came up big and I think is the first prospect to show the clutchness in a late game situation. Smart,porter,bazz and Bennett all came up small in the big lights...mclemore is about to have his time in this 2h with kansas down 9 at the half

We were talking about Oladipo, and then it was brought up "if you take him then you move Gordon and set the franchise back." That's what caused the conversation to spiral into why we do/don't need to worry about losing Gordon and replacing him with a rookie. Then somebody came in with a self defending GV snide remark. Now here we are.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Yet you can't combat it with anything but "you are wrong!" Come on man, give me something of substance to think about.

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Crappy comparisons whining about the back 2 backs still whining about how hes never played when hes been remarkably healthy since the injury crying about Vazquez being better than Gordon Ive heard some people say he cant run an offense he doesnt have allstar talent he cant handle the ball he cant pass your retarded PER garbage he cant defend... Ive heard so much idiocracy

NCAA tournament shouldn't really play a huge role in draft status. Small sample size compared to the rest of the season.

Kansas unc game just starting bk up with mclemore missing a lob put back lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

NCAA tournament shouldn't really play a huge role in draft status. Small sample size compared to the rest of the season.

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No but it sure can help a prospect.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We were talking about Oladipo, and then it was brought up "if you take him then you move Gordon and set the franchise back." That's what caused the conversation to spiral into why we do/don't need to worry about losing Gordon and replacing him with a rookie.

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It had more to do with Gordon being a solid option and there not being anyone signifigantly amazing in this draft. Its not like we are talking about Gordon for a Wiggins caliber prospect.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

NCAA tournament shouldn't really play a huge role in draft status. Small sample size compared to the rest of the season.

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It shouldn't, but it does.

That releford kid for Kansas has always played great defense. Comes up with big shots in big moments too. He's a senior and has been pretty consistent his whole college career. Wouldn't mind taking him in the 2nd round.1 heck of a defender. Also really like withey for a center prospect later in the draft.wonder where Hairston will go in this draft. He has def helped his stock with the acc tournament and this tournament so far.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I see it like this. He did his rehab program successfully. He has played since. Not his choice to sit b2b like we all know of course. After him having this off season to get in 100% nba mode as to say. His judgment day should come after next season or at half way point. Do u agree?

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I agree with this. He's been healthy enough to play since his rehab, though clearly not at 100% explosiveness or stamina. I'm willing to wait and see how he comes out of this offseason to make my verdict on his future viability as a Pelican.

Withey will work his way into the top 10. He is an incredible shot blocker and moves great for a 7 footer.

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To me the best part about the tournament is having most of all the top prospects available and on TV for everyone to see, I havent watched much Kansas this season so today is like my first real look at McClemore and he hasnt had a very good day thus far

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

Withey will work his way into the top 10. He is an incredible shot blocker and moves great for a 7 footer.

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I like whitey a lot, but it won't be top 10. I think he'll be in that 20 range and will be exceptional value.

Mclemore putting up a stinker.

I love Withey defensively. Think he can be a starter in this league solely on his defense.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Crappy comparisons whining about the back 2 backs still whining about how hes never played when hes been remarkably healthy since the injury crying about Vazquez being better than Gordon Ive heard some people say he cant run an offense he doesnt have allstar talent he cant handle the ball he cant pass your retarded PER garbage he cant defend... Ive heard so much idiocracy

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Great movie.

Misguided post, that still lacks substance.

Lets just talk draft prospects.

I think everyone's talked about the Gordon and Vasquez situation to death. Nothing new is being brought up

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Great movie.

Misguided post, that still lacks substance.

Lets just talk draft prospects.

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(Facepalm) I kind of like Olynyk... Reminds me of Sullinger as a Seven footer.

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

Withey will work his way into the top 10. He is an incredible shot blocker and moves great for a 7 footer.

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Ohhhh that's going a lil too far I think. If any 7 footer goes top 10 it'll be len not withey. I think withey can go anywhere from 13-20 tho...could be wrong tho

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think everyone's talked about the Gordon and Vasquez situation to death. Nothing new is being brought up

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Two words... UNO Gracias.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I love Withey defensively. Think he can be a starter in this league solely on his defense.

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Ohhhhhh as I'm typing he just blocks the crap out of mcadoos layup!!! He moves so well for a big man too.

I have like Withey since the last NCAA tourney. He is just building on that performance. He will be a late lottery pick.

The guy I wonder about is Adams from Pitt. If he comes out it could be interesting the amount of depth at the 4 and 5 position.

Man good thing mclemore has a solid team around him. Dude can't make a shot to save his life. Missing layups as well.

Withey is absolutely beating right now!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Two words... UNO Gracias.

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7 words:

Didn't bring it up in this thread.

Kansas is balling their butts off right now!!! Minus mclemore too...releford and whithey playing awesome ball rt now

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

(Facepalm) I kind of like Olynyk... Reminds me of Sullinger as a Seven footer.

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It will be interesting to see what happens with him. Late first rounder who will take time to develop. The tourney (and the season) has really given people an idea of who he is, and it ain't Dirk.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

7 words:

Didn't bring it up in this thread.

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Talk about lack of self control ey? Ironic it is

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Man good thing mclemore has a solid team around him. Dude can't make a shot to save his life. Missing layups as well.

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Hmmm... Ive never watched Mclemore more than once , but he didnt really impress me. He probably is the best prospect but i really dont want the no.1 overall.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It will be interesting to see what happens with him. Late first rounder who will take time to develop. The tourney (and the season) has really given people an idea of who he is, and it ain't Dirk.

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Dont think he succeeds at the next level at all.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It will be interesting to see what happens with him. Late first rounder who will take time to develop. The tourney (and the season) has really given people an idea of who he is, and it ain't Dirk.

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Some boards have moved him late lottery... If we had another pick i would like to have him. But we really dont have much in the terms of assets.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Hmmm... Ive never watched Mclemore more than once , but he didnt really impress me. He probably is the best prospect but i really dont want the no.1 overall.

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He's very good when he is on. Def has work to do. He's older but lacks game experience for his age. With the right coaching he can easily become an all star. I'd love to get the first pick. He is very shy at getting his so to speak.

I remember when mcadoo was projected top 5. Lol my he has fallen off

When Kansas plays like they are now they are almost unbeatable. I have them winning it all in my bracket.

Self has put mclemore on the bench and they have played much better.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I remember when mcadoo was projected top 5. Lol my he has fallen off

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I think it was Mcnamara that was all up on his jock haha. I wonder if he still feels that way...

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Talk about lack of self control ey? Ironic it is

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Your the guy that keeps brining him up when you see me on a thread. It's quite flattering to know I have a following.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I think it was Mcnamara that was all up on his jock haha. I wonder if he still feels that way...

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I hate to burst hornetsfans bubble but they have 0% chance to take Macadoo.. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Some boards have moved him late lottery... If we had another pick i would like to have him. But we really dont have much in the terms of assets.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Your the guy that keeps brining him up when you see me on a thread. It's quite flattering to know I have a following.

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Dude I didn't bring him so why don't try out your own reading comprehension tips. You guys had his name being thrown around when I got on here. Nice try tho. I don't follow Stevie wonders.