AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I wonder if Ainge would send signals that Celtics are still at the negotiating table as a solid for his old buddy Griff. Even if Ainge doesn’t want to trade off pieces for an AD rental, beyond just doing Griff a favor, doesn’t it behoove the Celtics to force either of the other teams in their division (Knicks/Nets) to give up more assets in an AD trade? And certainly given Lakers/Celtics rivalry, I could see Ainge publicly indicating Celtics are still interested just to drive the price up.

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Could be. It's a win for the Pelicans in any case. Those thinking that the offers will be light may not have adequately considered how desperate some of these teams may get when it appears they might not get the free agents they are targeting.

AD trade coming. Three team trade. He is expected to go to LAKERS. PELS receive Ingram, 4th pick, LAKERS 2021 unprotected 1st round pick, Kuzma, PHX 2019 6th pick, and Josh Jackson. PHX receive: Ball. Details being worked out.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

AD trade coming. Three team trade. He is expected to go to LAKERS. PELS receive Ingram, 4th pick, LAKERS 2021 unprotected 1st round pick, Kuzma, PHX 2019 6th pick, and Josh Jackson. PHX receive: Ball. Details being worked out.

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I'd hate that trade.

Don't really like Ingram, or his giant blood clot risk, don't really like Josh Jackson. I'm fine with Kuzma, but I'm not in love with his game cause he doesn't play D. 4th pick could be pretty good cause I rate Culver, but I don't think anyone we'd be likely to select at 6 (Garland, Hayes, Hunter, for example) are going to be that fantastic. Don't care for only one future pick.

I am still counting on the Raptors making an offer centered around Siakam, and if that offer is out there, that’s the one that I want.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

AD trade coming. Three team trade. He is expected to go to LAKERS. PELS receive Ingram, 4th pick, LAKERS 2021 unprotected 1st round pick, Kuzma, PHX 2019 6th pick, and Josh Jackson. PHX receive: Ball. Details being worked out.

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That trade is AWFUL!!!

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

AD trade coming. Three team trade. He is expected to go to LAKERS. PELS receive Ingram, 4th pick, LAKERS 2021 unprotected 1st round pick, Kuzma, PHX 2019 6th pick, and Josh Jackson. PHX receive: Ball. Details being worked out.

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I wouldn’t have much time to think on how much I hated that trade as I would be infected with the powerful Aids/Cancer combo that said trade would inflict upon me and every other Pels fan. I would recommend every fan get their affairs in order and kiss their loved ones good bye, because that trade would kill us all.

Guys. I think we are gonna get screwed by a trade that will make us furious.


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Guys. I think we are gonna get screwed by a trade that will make us furious.


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I'm trusting David Griffin.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Lol. I knew someone on this forum had made comments about wanting to resign Payton and they'd fight over it. I just couldn't remember who.

Now excuse me while I go remove the glass shards from me.

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Haha. I definitely love Elfrid.

The rest was a Letterkenny quote I was hoping people would catch.

NSFW for cursing
https://youtu.be/o5dtu-pbEb8

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

AD trade coming. Three team trade. He is expected to go to LAKERS. PELS receive Ingram, 4th pick, LAKERS 2021 unprotected 1st round pick, Kuzma, PHX 2019 6th pick, and Josh Jackson. PHX receive: Ball. Details being worked out.

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I would give it a B+.

Kuzma is a B list stud. His D will get better away from LAL. He was a rookie one season and on the biggest dumpster fire in NBA history the next. He WILL be better away from that team. Those draft picks are nice. Ingram is boom or bust depending on health.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I would give it a B+.

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What would get an F from you? AD for a box of slightly moldy cheerios and some flat soda?

Your expectations have become ridiculously unrealistic.

That trade had the number 4 and 6 pick in the draft. And ok, tHiS iS a tHrER MaHn dRaFT but netting someone like Culver and Hayes or any combo is pretty sweet. Add in that this board drastically undervalues Kuzma....like...almost as bad as a Dolphins board undervalues Tom Brady and then it really is just Ingrams health being the only gamble.

The dream scenarios involving the Knicks and Celtics would be A+s but they aren't probable, guys. They just aren't. Now, getting Zion was improbable as well, so it CAN happen but more than likely, we will end up with half of what we think the other teams will offer. Like just Tatum and the 2019 Boston picks (no 2020 Memphis pick) or the Knicks #3 pick with Knox, DSJ, and no Robinson. Those would be Cs.

An F is not trading AD and hoping he buys in.

And you didn't have to go moldy cheerios and flat soda......could have just said British Food. ;)

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Your expectations have become ridiculously unrealistic.

That trade had the number 4 and 6 pick in the draft. And ok, tHiS iS a tHrER MaHn dRaFT but netting someone like Culver and Hayes or any combo is pretty sweet. Add in that this board drastically undervalues Kuzma....like...almost as bad as a Dolphins board undervalues Tom Brady and then it really is just Ingrams health being the only gamble.

The dream scenarios involving the Knicks and Celtics would be A+s but they aren't probable, guys. They just aren't. Now, getting Zion was improbable as well, so it CAN happen but more than likely, we will end up with half of what we think the other teams will offer. Like just Tatum and the 2019 Boston picks (no 2020 Memphis pick) or the Knicks #3 pick with Knox, DSJ, and no Robinson. Those would be Cs.

An F is not trading AD and hoping he buys in.

And you didn't have to go moldy cheerios and flat soda......could have just said British Food. ;)

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I honestly believe that spots 5 to 10 in this draft are the worst spot to be in.

Top 4, you pick one of Zion, Morant, Culver, and Barrett, whichever one you get. They all have potential. I think some more than others (Zion), but they all show real signs of being good. Then, between 11 and 20, there are plenty of names that won't be THAT good with all probability, but who could be pretty damn good anyway. I've made no secret that I really like Chuma Okeke, and the Bol Bol meme started somewhere.

But between 5 and 10... someone's going to pick Garland, and I really don't like him. Someone is probably going to pick Langford, and I really don't like him either. Someone's going to pick Reddish, who I think has the highest chance of being the pick that gets someone fired. They bust potential of some of these big names terrifies me. Sounds crazy, but I'd much rather have pick 12 where all the odds of picking Langford and Reddish are completely gone so that there's no chance we stumble into them, and we can just safely pick a ''boring'' guy like Okeke who will just be really really good instead.

You act like Kuzma is a 2 way player that shoots 39% from three or something. He's not. He's a one dimensional scorer who doesn't shoot very well from deep, doesn't rebound very well for his height, and doesn't look like he's ever heard the word defense. Is he trash? No. There's room on a lot of teams for guys who just score, and that's all they do. But the value of that guy on a rebuilding team looking towards the future that needs spacing badly? Not a very high value.

But he was on the Lakers. The first year was his rookie year, the second he wss emasculated and demoralized. That is the absolute lowest of the low. He will be better. Ingram does have the health problems but the most potential of almost anyone in the trade rumors.

.but those draft picks. Like you said, Culver or RJ. That's a good pick. That's the prize. The next one, yes, there isn't much to differentiate between 5 and 12 but you get your pick of them.

RJ or Culver
Hayes or Hunter
Ingram
Kuzma

That's a decent haul. Sure. I would prefer the dream Bostom and Knicks package. I love Tatum. I adore Robinson. I think the 2020 Memphis pick really could turn into the best asset of anything dangled in front of us. I just don't think it's all probable.

Josh Jackson is......interesting.....facing a felony and all.....seems like we could get something else from the Suns for taking him.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

But he was on the Lakers. The first year was his rookie year, the second he wss emasculated and demoralized. That is the absolute lowest of the low. He will be better. Ingram does have the health problems but the most potential of almost anyone in the trade rumors.

.but those draft picks. Like you said, Culver or RJ. That's a good pick. That's the prize. The next one, yes, there isn't much to differentiate between 5 and 12 but you get your pick of them.

RJ or Culver
Hayes or Hunter
Ingram
Kuzma

That's a decent haul. Sure. I would prefer the dream Bostom and Knicks package. I love Tatum. I adore Robinson. I think the 2020 Memphis pick really could turn into the best asset of anything dangled in front of us. I just don't think it's all probable.

Josh Jackson is......interesting.....facing a felony and all.....seems like we could get something else from the Suns for taking him.

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Forgot Jackson was facing a felony.

What a disgusting prospect: trade AD, consensus top 5 player in the league for a dude who might never play another NBA game due to a blood clot and a dude with an ongoing legal case. Beautiful.

I don't buy the ''this year, he was emasculated and demoralized'' thing. Everyone knows the turmoil they went through in Boston this year, and both Tatum and Brown somehow found a way to not shoot 30% from three and 60% from the FT line. Somehow they figured that out. Sure, their game didn't take the LEAP you expected it to, but it didn't almost universally regress, like Kuzma's did.

You were in those same threads with us laughing at the Lakers. That one game where they all sat far away from LeBron. Hahaha. That was epic. Come on. Don't try to compare that to Boston. What the Lakers went through this past season was more toxic than anything ever seen in NBA history. I can't think of anything in all of sports as bad as that. A second year player having to deal with that......woof. It is inconceivable to assume that didn't impact his play.

And you saw the difference with the Pelicans when AD was out there and when he wasn't. Let's not let our hatred for the Lakers blind us from reality.

An even trade went out the window as soon as we landed Zion. The trades we are throwing around are pipedreams. It would be one of those teams going "all in". Maybe we can get one to do that.....but the proposed trade is most likely.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

You were in those same threads with us laughing at the Lakers. That one game where they all sat far away from LeBron. Hahaha. That was epic. Come on. Don't try to compare that to Boston. What the Lakers went through this past season was more toxic than anything ever seen in NBA history. I can't think of anything in all of sports as bad as that. A second year player having to deal with that......woof. It is inconceivable to assume that didn't impact his play.

And you saw the difference with the Pelicans when AD was out there and when he wasn't. Let's not let our hatred for the Lakers blind us from reality.

An even trade went out the window as soon as we landed Zion. The trades we are throwing around are pipedreams. It would be one of those teams going "all in". Maybe we can get one to do that.....but the proposed trade is most likely.

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The proposed trade being more likely (I wouldn't say ''most'' because that specific trade is fairly unlikely, three team trades always are) doesn't mean anyone has to like it.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

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We are trading a top 5 player, statistically. A bunch of people are calling a trio of 6th men and 4th pick a fair deal.

It's just a bunch of people trying to hustle and fleece us with unwanted scraps.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

We are trading a top 5 player, statistically. A bunch of people are calling a trio of 6th men and 4th pick a fair deal.

It's just a bunch of people trying to hustle and fleece us with unwanted scraps.

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It's not even just top 5 statistically. We can hate on AD all we want for giving up on us this season, sure, but this guy was final 3 for MVP and DPOY last season for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It's not even top 5 statistically. We can hate on AD all we want for giving up on us this season, sure, but this guy was final 3 for MVP and DPOY last season for a reason.

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I was ball parking that top 5 line. Lol Not at home to do my research. I think he is 1st in per and top 3 statistically in a lot of stats since he got drafted

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I was ball parking that top 5 line. Lol Not at home to do my research. I think he is 1st in per and top 3 statistically in a lot of stats since he got drafted

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Davis' career PER is third all time, after only MJ and Lebron.

He has more career 40 point games than Shaq did. He has more career 40 point games than Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler, CJ McCollum, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Jokic, and Derrick Rose combined. He has more career 40/20 games than Shaq did too.

AD is big time.

Edit: it's also worth noting that while he has only played 13 career playoff games, AD's playoff averages are 30.5/12.7 with 1.8 steals and 2.5 blocks per game, on 53% from the floor. And of those 13 games, 9 have been played against the Golden State juggernaut.

The ONLY shot we had at an even trade was if the Knicks landed Zion and that would only be if Zion lived up to 90% of the hype.

Once we landed Zion, it became a "how do we minimize the loss" trade.

From a psychology background, my suggestion is that any trade we make, reframe it where you keep reminding yourself that we got Zion. Pretend we really landed the #7 pick and traded for Williamson. Lol

In the end, we should be sitting way prettier than if AD had decided to stay, signed the supermax, and our draft pick was #7.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The ONLY shot we had at an even trade was if the Knicks landed Zion and that would only be if Zion lived up to 90% of the hype.

Once we landed Zion, it became a "how do we minimize the loss" trade.

From a psychology background, my suggestion is that any trade we make, reframe it where you keep reminding yourself that we got Zion. Pretend we really landed the #7 pick and traded for Williamson. Lol

In the end, we should be sitting way prettier than if AD had decided to stay, signed the supermax, and our draft pick was #7.

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Yeah, I think we all know that we aren't getting an even trade. An even trade from, say, Boston would be Tatum, Brown, Smart, the #14, #20, #22, their 2020 1st rounder, the Memphis 2021 first rounder, Boston's 2022 first rounder, their 2024 first rounder, and the swap rights to 2023. And even that wouldn't be quite right, tbh.

At the end of the day, we have Zion, which softens the blow of any bad trade that may happen. Doesn't mean we have to like it, but it means that even if the trade return isn't great we still have a future.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

NBA source (who I trust a lot) told me tonight he thinks Boston is landing spot for Anthony Davis.

Says Tatum is player NOLA covets most.

Tatum, Smart (who @PelicansNBA also really like), filler (Williams, Ojeyele or Yabusele) & at least pick #14 this year.

I. Love. It! pic.twitter.com/7Rd1taJYJJ

— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 7, 2019

Trust Fletch however much you want. I'd recommend a grain of salt, but still.

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This trade is going to come down to the one young player the Pelicans love most. Despite being stuck in an awkward role last season, Tatum's going to be a star, either in New Orleans or in Boston.

If Smart is included, a Holiday/Smart backcourt would be amazing to watch.

Pretty good analysis of this tweet here: https://www.masslive.com/celtics/201...is-report.html

I wonder in a Multi Year deal if we can land a high future draft pick and Brad Beal.

An even trade from LA would be AD for Prime Kobe, or Prime Magic, or a package of Worthy and Rambis. Anything you are getting back from LA on their current roster (outside of Lebron) is a flaming dumpster fire.

After reading this thread, two thing are obvious. 1) Pels fans would pass on a Jordan for AD trade if Jordan was a Laker lol and 2) Tatum is the second coming of the greatest player ever.

Here’s my take on Tatum which seems to be the lynchpin in everybody’s trades. He benefited from being in a great system with a great organization. The minute there was dysfunction, he was wasn’t that good. The Lakers assets basically grew up in dysfunction and still are having decent careers. So the question is arc. I think the Lakers assets would be better in a less dysfunctional environment and I think Tatum would be good again in the right environment. Statistically, Kuz, Ingram, and Tatum are basically the same. None of these guys are all-stars IMO. With that said, I’d take the Lakers deal because although no Pels fans like the Lakers assets, others do. You get a quantity of assets that can be moved. You’ll get the 4, most likely future picks, and cap relief. The C’s trade gives you late picks in a draft that most around here say is a 3 man draft, Brown who is an ok player, and Smart who is a hustle player. It’s all perspective though. I think the C’s players are equally average as the Lakers players so I would go with who was giving me the most assets. Let’s be real. Holiday, Zion, and Tatum may not even make the playoffs. This is the beginning of the build. Give me multiple assets to wheel and deal over the one dude that people think is a future all-star. This is about the future. Stack assets.

The Celtics aren’t taking their foot off the gas.

Even if all your getting from Boston is Tatum and that Memphis pick, that’s still better than the LA offer (imho) for the following reasons.

Sure, Tatum is a young talent, and you have him on the cheap for a few more years, while you will need to throw mad money at Ingram after this year to see if his young talent will pan out. That Lakers trade is going to lock up a lot of cap space sooner than Boston’s.

That Memphis pick will come in handy when (1-2 years from now) you are finally ready to compete, and cheap talent will be a premium as your cap space will be locked up. You will be Detroit with the #2 pick (but hopefully this time you aren’t taking Darko over Wade).

It makes sense to me why you would take the Boston’s trade over the Lakers’.

My favorite trade is still a flip of Lonzo for a future pick.

I feel like folks have been focused on getting 6 or 7 from Suns or Bulls this year, but I think it would be much easier to take back a useful player and get a 2020 pick from one of those teams. A 2020 pick (with similar protections to the Memphis pick, becoming unprotected or top 1 protected in 2021) from either of those teams would be an incredibly valuable asset.

My favorite trade...

Suns
Ball
Kuzma
Hill

Lakers
Anthony Davis

Pelicans
Pick #4
Brandon Ingram
TJ Warren
2020 Suns Pick
2020 Buck Pick (from Suns)
2021 Laker Pick

That's a better trade than the Knicks deal. Celtics could beat it if they put all their draft assets in, and include Smart with Tatum.

This deal clears significant cap space to make moves this summer. Imagine taking back Nic Batum or Evan Turner in exchange for an asset if Hornets/Blazers want to clear salary. This also sets you up with a really valuable draft asset for the war chest, gives you a really good role player in TJ Warren, and a player in Ingram that could be an All Star. Pick the player of your choice at 4. I'd pick Garland. If we're building towards Zion's future, Garland has the elite shooting skill that you're going to want in an 8 man rotation. With 5 first round picks in the next 2 years and cap space, that's a team that can pivot into any possibility and always be involved where value is to be had.

Monty Williams and James Jones would do this deal from the Suns side. They keep the #6 pick in this draft, solve their PG issue, and add Kuzma to replace Warren in a Forward rotation with Oubre, Johnson, and Bridges. They're going to have to pay Oubre this summer, which means they may be looking to get off of Warren's money.

The only even trade would be a sign and trade with the Shadow Pelicans for ShadowPayton. We then resign our Payton. Because Payton is the next thing. And it's my birthday so you all just have to agree.

Boston trade happens this weekend

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The only even trade would be a sign and trade with the Shadow Pelicans for ShadowPayton. We then resign our Payton. Because Payton is the next thing. And it's my birthday so you all just have to agree.

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I agree and Happy Birthday dude!

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Originally Posted by wnelson

Boston trade happens this weekend

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I would be sad if it happened as I wonder if the Raptors would have any interest in AD (but are too busy with the finals). I really want Siakam.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The only even trade would be a sign and trade with the Shadow Pelicans for ShadowPayton. We then resign our Payton. Because Payton is the next thing. And it's my birthday so you all just have to agree.

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Happy birthday guero!

Elite Bored (@BallThen) Tweeted:
Me: Tatums struggles last year concern me

Them: The situation was bad. He will be much better outside of that.

Me: Lakers guys have spent their whole career in a toxic environment where objectives were shifting daily

Them: NO EXCUSES!!


This McNamera tweet sums up the Lakers vs Celtics argument for me

Well. Dang. Now I have to abandon that hill I've built since I don't want to be seen standing next to MM.....

And thanks, fellas!

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Originally Posted by wnelson

Boston trade happens this weekend

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I could be wrong, but I don’t think a trade with Boston can happen until after July 1?

Lakers trade pieces all have health issues, Tatum hasn’t had health issues yet. Advantage Celtics offer.

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Originally Posted by wnelson

Boston trade happens this weekend

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It would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

After reading this thread, two thing are obvious. 1) Pels fans would pass on a Jordan for AD trade if Jordan was a Laker lol and 2) Tatum is the second coming of the greatest player ever.

Here’s my take on Tatum which seems to be the lynchpin in everybody’s trades. He benefited from being in a great system with a great organization. The minute there was dysfunction, he was wasn’t that good. The Lakers assets basically grew up in dysfunction and still are having decent careers. So the question is arc. I think the Lakers assets would be better in a less dysfunctional environment and I think Tatum would be good again in the right environment. Statistically, Kuz, Ingram, and Tatum are basically the same. None of these guys are all-stars IMO. With that said, I’d take the Lakers deal because although no Pels fans like the Lakers assets, others do. You get a quantity of assets that can be moved. You’ll get the 4, most likely future picks, and cap relief. The C’s trade gives you late picks in a draft that most around here say is a 3 man draft, Brown who is an ok player, and Smart who is a hustle player. It’s all perspective though. I think the C’s players are equally average as the Lakers players so I would go with who was giving me the most assets. Let’s be real. Holiday, Zion, and Tatum may not even make the playoffs. This is the beginning of the build. Give me multiple assets to wheel and deal over the one dude that people think is a future all-star. This is about the future. Stack assets.

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An argument can be made that Tatum and Ingram are close in terms of value IF Ingram did not have the health issues. Ball is polarizing. I think he could be a valuable player but also could be a problem. He also has health issues. Both Smart and Brown are light years better than Kuzma. If we did a Laker deal, I would see what value we could get by flipping Kuzma. If we could not, he could end up being a pretty nice bench player.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

An argument can be made that Tatum and Ingram are close in terms of value IF Ingram did not have the health issues. Ball is polarizing. I think he could be a valuable player but also could be a problem. He also has health issues. Both Smart and Brown are light years better than Kuzma. If we did a Laker deal, I would see what value we could get by flipping Kuzma. If we could not, he could end up being a pretty nice bench player.

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Gotta throw Culver or Garland at #4 on the scale for Lakers side. Also, I’d assume Pelicans don’t do a deal with Lakers unless they have 100% confidence Ingram’s procedure fixed his blood clot issue.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Gotta throw Culver or Garland at #4 on the scale for Lakers side. Also, I’d assume Pelicans don’t do a deal with Lakers unless they have 100% confidence Ingram’s procedure fixed his blood clot issue.

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No way to get 100% confidence. Just a matter of how confident they can get. I did not include #4 as i see it and the Memphis pick as washes. The "sure thing" is taking the #4 as you know what it is. However, this is considered a weak draft. The risk of waiting on the Memphis pick is real, but could pay off.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

After reading this thread, two thing are obvious. 1) Pels fans would pass on a Jordan for AD trade if Jordan was a Laker lol and 2) Tatum is the second coming of the greatest player ever.

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This is such an unfair interpretation of everything that's happening that it's almost impressive, well done. I'm pretty sure most of us (myself included) would bite the bullet and do the Lakers trade if we thought LA had the best assets. The issue isn't that we hate them: the issue is that their assets are hot garbage. Nobody thinks Tatum is the second coming, they just think he's better than what LA has, which is blatantly true.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Here’s my take on Tatum which seems to be the lynchpin in everybody’s trades. He benefited from being in a great system with a great organization. The minute there was dysfunction, he was wasn’t that good. The Lakers assets basically grew up in dysfunction and still are having decent careers.

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They are not having decent careers. Their careers thus far have been terrible. Obviously that could change tomorrow, but let's not pretend they've established a body of work that they haven't. Tatum was still far better this season than any of the Lakers trio despite the dysfunction in Boston.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Statistically, Kuz, Ingram, and Tatum are basically the same.

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Only if you look at box score stats and refuse to look at any of the advanced numbers, where Tatum is clearly superior in pretty much every category.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

With that said, I’d take the Lakers deal because although no Pels fans like the Lakers assets, others do. You get a quantity of assets that can be moved. You’ll get the 4, most likely future picks, and cap relief.

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This is the only real argument that I think the Lakers trade has in its favour: the argument that it gives you more stuff to flip. I don't care about cap relief, because as you say, we're in the beginning of a build, so why would I care if we have a lot of salary on the books? It's not like we need to sign that vital guy or anything. The problem is, is that doing the LA trade with the belief that you can flip the assets later for other stuff doesn't ACTUALLY help the team or solve the problem. All it does is kick the issue down the road a little bit. If you do the LA trade with the hope of flipping the other assets later in order to provide you with the return you need on the Davis trade, you're essentially throwing Davis away and saying ''oh well, hope that works out later on.''

You have more leverage for assets with AD than you have with Lonzo Ball and the Laker's 2020 pick. That should be fairly obvious. So why would you exchange one for the other, hoping that it improves your leverage in the future? Instead, just try and make the best deal you can.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I would be sad if it happened as I wonder if the Raptors would have any interest in AD (but are too busy with the finals). I really want Siakam.

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Siakam is a hot commodity because or recency bias. I think he is a very good player who has come into his own and would love him on our team. However, I do not see Toronto upsetting he apple cart with that team. Secondly, the rest of a package in Toronto would not be great. Lastly. Siakam plays more of the role I would expect to see from Zion. They could certainly play together at times, but do you get maximum value with both of them?

Uptownfuzz has the pulse of it.

You can pretty much tell the bias of a person based on their opinion of Kuzma. It's irrational to deny his game.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Uptownfuzz has the pulse of it.

You can pretty much tell the bias of a person based on their opinion of Kuzma. It's irrational to deny his game.

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Tell me what Kuzma does on a very high level.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Uptownfuzz has the pulse of it.

You can pretty much tell the bias of a person based on their opinion of Kuzma. It's irrational to deny his game.

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I think you mean he is beyond parody.

As a side note, I wouldn’t listen to Fletcher Mackeral either.

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I could be wrong, but I don’t think a trade with Boston can happen until after July 1?

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Can it not be agreed to now? I know it was discussed earlier in this thread or another. I would think that Boston would want it done ASAP so that they can start making other moves to clear cap space. I have a feeling nothing is going to be done until Leonard decides what he is doing though.


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Outside of the draft pick, Kuzma is arguably the best part of the Laker deal. He is on the books for 1.6 mil for a few more years. I get it, he ain’t great. But he’s the sure fire one who you know will outplay his contract. Like there’s a zero percent chance he doesn’t outplay his contract. You can’t say that for the others.

Ball is nice cause he can run an offense and solid D but the minute you’re in a playoff game, he can’t be on the court cause of his free throw shooting. That will severely stifle his value to the team. He’s not been embarrassed by it yet cause he hasn’t been in a big game. Not to mention that realistically, we are at such an important time in the franchise’s history, that I’m not sure you can roll the dice on dealing with Lavar. We need a young team with zero distractions. That’s a land mine of a distraction.

Ultimately, I think the Laker deal is contingent on how the Pels draft board is stacked. If Culver or Garland or other random prospect is ranked #2 on the board, then the Laker deal is fine. You get financial flexibility, and you’ve bought low on multiple prospects. Chances are one of them is better than they seem.