2024 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Did our Front Office start vacation early after the Murray trade?

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I hope you are joking.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

And picks?

So we're trading Trey and picks to make up for the failure of not having traded BI a year ago when his value was high enough to actually get something out of it? AND we have to pay that contract?

Jesus Christ. Fire Griff into the sun if that happens.

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Fire him into the sun for trading Lonzo for Satoransky and Temple instead of Markkanen. All time fumble.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Fire him into the sun for trading Lonzo for Satoransky and Temple instead of Markkanen. All time fumble.

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Haha. Take a walk through that thread leading up to it. Laurie may have been more hated here than BI currently is.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Fire him into the sun for trading Lonzo for Satoransky and Temple instead of Markkanen. All time fumble.

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I honestly think this would be a worse move in some ways.

Markkannen had some qualities then but he had yet to break out. While some people speculated there was unlockable upside, basically nobody really expected him to explode the way he has.

By comparison, it didn't take a genius to know that BI's value was higher with 2 years on his deal than with 1, or to know what the rules of the salary cap are. It goes up, but not by enough to overcome the problems that that kind of extension would provide.

What does Trey do good besides shooting wide open shots ?

I'd be fine moving Trey or CJ if they can't get good value for Ingram and decide to resign him.

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Originally Posted by Algiersraised

What does Trey do good besides shooting wide open shots ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sca_-6elb4

- Drives the lane for a dunk
-3 pointer made, contested by 7 foot Lauri Markkanen
-Steals the ball, leads the fast break, dishes to CJ for a layup
-Pick n Roll with Zion, assist for a dunk
-Steal, leads break, assist to Zion for a dunk
-Catches lob from Naji on the break
-Goes backdoor, gets pass from Naji, 2 hand dunk
-Steal, fast break, one hand dunk on some poor soul
-Sprints back after a Herb steal for another dunk
-Another steal, passes full court to Herb for a dunk.
-WIDE OPEN 3 MADE
-Iso on some 76er player and just bullied him to the rim for a layup
-Fast break dunk, assist from Larry
-30 ft 3 pointer made, contested by Niang
-Pass to BI on the fast break for a dunk
-Catches lob from Naji for a dunk
-Makes 3 pointer contested by Gary Harris
-Posterizes Markelle Fultz on a dunk
-No look pass to Larry for a dunk
-Fast break pass from Larry for a dunk
-Steal, drives full court for a layup through traffic
-Fast break dunk and 1
-Fast break lob from Jose, dunk
-3 pointer contested by D lo
-Dunk on pass from Jose
-Half court lob from CJ, dunk

Okay which of these does he do consistently I can do the same for Ingram and make him seem like a hall of famer let’s be fr

I know its a pipe dream but good Lawd...

Dejounte Murray very good trade but...

What are we doing? We don't have a decent center in the team (and we need two, not even one starter) and Missi... who knows is a rookie, the centers in the FA are almost gone and we only have an option of a trade, TM3 or BI with picks.

The thing is... we will get a decent C and be a better team in exchange of BI and TM3? I have my doubts, honestly I think that's not possible.
Only for picks? Maybe then we could be a better team. Picks for... Kessler? WCJ? I think Utah or Orlando wouldn't accept that and maybe is too much for them.


And we need rotation, key players with minutes like Larry, JV, Naji and Dyson were gone...

The rookie already weigh 230 and is about 611 and very athletic I wouldn’t be surprised for him to get a lot of run because his job for the most part will be pretty simple crash the board be a deterrent on defense catch a lob here and there sit in the dunker spot

if we want a big to space the floor for all the we need to extend Trey Murphy talk he better get his 6’10 behind out there and grab some boards and lock up it ain’t like he facing embiid jokic sabonis and ad every night

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Originally Posted by Spanish_pelican

Dejounte Murray very good trade but...

What are we doing? We don't have a decent center in the team (and we need two, not even one starter) and Missi... who knows is a rookie, the centers in the FA are almost gone and we only have an option of a trade, TM3 or BI with picks.

The thing is... we will get a decent C and be a better team in exchange of BI and TM3? I have my doubts, honestly I think that's not possible.
Only for picks? Maybe then we could be a better team. Picks for... Kessler? WCJ? I think Utah or Orlando wouldn't accept that and maybe is too much for them.


And we need rotation, key players with minutes like Larry, JV, Naji and Dyson were gone...

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It is early July. Season is months away.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

It is early July. Season is months away.

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Season may be months away but, let's be fair, we all know things are vastly more likely to happen in the FA period than later.

Yes, the Donovan Mitchell trade happened in September but the reason that was so shocking was that it's an outlier.

Generally speaking, this is when things get done. There's always an outside chance of a move later in the summer but it's a pretty reasonable assumption to think that the big moves are over in the first two weeks of July.

The Kings have let it be known Keegan Murray isn’t available in trade talks, per @sam_amick on @Sactown1140 (https://t.co/xqJR8FQpBa).

It’s unlikely Sacramento would be able to get into conversations for star-level players without the inclusion of Murray. pic.twitter.com/tX8sufBd1J

— Evan Sidery (@esidery) July 3, 2024

As expected.

Have we tried Phoenix yet? Didn’t CJ enjoy his workout with Durant?

Good to see Lebron killed any chance of Ingram or big Free agent next 2 years.

Free agent F Joe Ingles has agreed on a one-year deal to join the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. Ingles reunites with his old Jazz teammates Rudy Gobert and Mike Conley Jr. pic.twitter.com/IcZUK2G4Qv

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 3, 2024

Everything moves on by.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Good to see Lebron killed any chance of Ingram or big Free agent next 2 years.

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How long before he has Bronny traded away? Lol

Or better yet, who gets shown the door first? Bronny or JJ?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Season may be months away but, let's be fair, we all know things are vastly more likely to happen in the FA period than later.

Yes, the Donovan Mitchell trade happened in September but the reason that was so shocking was that it's an outlier.

Generally speaking, this is when things get done. There's always an outside chance of a move later in the summer but it's a pretty reasonable assumption to think that the big moves are over in the first two weeks of July.

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Dame was traded like two weeks before training camp opened, Harden a couple weeks into the season...maybe there's a trend.

What date does training camp begin?

What date does the season start?

What date is the trade deadline?

Talking to some teams tonight and it sounds like what's being worked on now is expanding some of the previously agreed upon trades. There are also talks of tying some deals together into bigger deals.

Essentially, teams are trying to find ways to make mutually beneficial trades.

— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) July 4, 2024

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

Talking to some teams tonight and it sounds like what's being worked on now is expanding some of the previously agreed upon trades. There are also talks of tying some deals together into bigger deals.

Essentially, teams are trying to find ways to make mutually beneficial trades.

— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) July 4, 2024

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What is that? It literally says nothing.

Related to this: With most of the best free agents off the board, it sounds like trades are probably the next wave.

Anyone looking to make a major impact move is going to have to do it via trade at this point.

— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA) July 4, 2024

water is wet

But can it play center?

Wet dream trade=

Kings get
Brandon Ingram

Jazz get
Harrison Barnes
Chris Duarte
2025 Trailblazers 2nd round pick via Kings
2026 Kings 1st round pick
2027 Pelicans 1st round pick
2028 Kings 1st round pick
2029 Pelicans 1st round pick

Pelicans get
Lauri Markkanen to be a small ball center next to Zion and a PF when Zion is out.
Walker Kessler (traditional center, matchup driven)
Trey Lyles (backup PF)

Pels depth chart

PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: McCullum/Hawkins/Reeves
SF: Jones/Murphy/Ryan
PF: Zion/Lyles/Robinson-Earl
C: Markkanen/Kessler/Missi

Above could happen if we include our 2025 first rounder. Ainge won’t trade him if he doesn’t get at least five firsts.

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Originally Posted by mriguy

Above could happen if we include our 2025 first rounder. Ainge won’t trade him if he doesn’t get at least five firsts.

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Ainge can suck it then. He won’t get a better deal than that.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Season may be months away but, let's be fair, we all know things are vastly more likely to happen in the FA period than later.

Yes, the Donovan Mitchell trade happened in September but the reason that was so shocking was that it's an outlier.

Generally speaking, this is when things get done. There's always an outside chance of a move later in the summer but it's a pretty reasonable assumption to think that the big moves are over in the first two weeks of July.

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No need to panic. The new league year has not even started yet.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Wet dream trade=

Kings get
Brandon Ingram

Jazz get
Harrison Barnes
Chris Duarte
2025 Trailblazers 2nd round pick via Kings
2026 Kings 1st round pick
2027 Pelicans 1st round pick
2028 Kings 1st round pick
2029 Pelicans 1st round pick

Pelicans get
Lauri Markkanen to be a small ball center next to Zion and a PF when Zion is out.
Walker Kessler (traditional center, matchup driven)
Trey Lyles (backup PF)

Pels depth chart

PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: McCullum/Hawkins/Reeves
SF: Jones/Murphy/Ryan
PF: Zion/Lyles/Robinson-Earl
C: Markkanen/Kessler/Missi

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That would be so perfect? I'd even give up more to make this happen

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Ainge can suck it then. He won’t get a better deal than that.

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Do you think Lauri is better than Bridges? Look at what he was traded for.

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Originally Posted by mriguy

Do you think Lauri is better than Bridges? Look at what he was traded for.

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About the same, but I think the bridges trade was an overpay. No one is giving up 5 1sts for Markannen nor do the mentioned interested teams have the war chest to do so.

I don't like Markkanen in the C, in offense is really good but defense... is non existent in the paint. Yes, Zion improved but we would the the worst in the NBA defending the paint.
And being honest don't think we have assets (or even in a 3-team trade) to get Lauri.

We have to get a decent C for rebounding and defense and some depth in the sf-pf-c

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Originally Posted by Spanish_pelican

I don't like Markkanen in the C, in offense is really good but defense... is non existent in the paint. Yes, Zion improved but we would the the worst in the NBA defending the paint.
And being honest don't think we have assets (or even in a 3-team trade) to get Lauri.

We have to get a decent C for rebounding and defense and some depth in the sf-pf-c

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I think the center position more than any other depends on the matchup. If there's a big and strong bully type C we are going against then I don't like him at the five. If it's a small ball situation I am very intrigued by it.

Brandon Ingram's name has been heating up in trade talks recently, and it looks like his days in New Orleans are coming to an end, per @TheSteinLine

“Attempts in New Orleans to trade Brandon Ingram have intensified in recent days, league sources say. Sources tell The Stein Line… pic.twitter.com/GKVkgI2qzb

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) July 4, 2024

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: McCullum/Hawkins/Reeves
SF: Jones/Murphy/Ryan
PF: Zion/Lyles/Robinson-Earl
C: Markkanen/Kessler/Missi

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I like how even in a wet dream trade we can't get Trey starting.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I like how even in a wet dream trade we can't get Trey starting.

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I think Trey gets extended at 4 years $100 million and takes McCullum’s starting spot in 1-2 years . Adding Markkanen gives us plenty of shooting to keep Herb in the starting lineup. It’s not like Herb doesn’t deserve to be a starter. 1st team all defense players arent 6th men. CJ still getting 20 points a game with 39% at 3. Also, does it really matter? Willie will distribute the minutes as he wants.

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Originally Posted by Spanish_pelican

I don't like Markkanen in the C, in offense is really good but defense... is non existent in the paint. Yes, Zion improved but we would the the worst in the NBA defending the paint.
And being honest don't think we have assets (or even in a 3-team trade) to get Lauri.

We have to get a decent C for rebounding and defense and some depth in the sf-pf-c

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See Walker Kessler/Missi as needed for matchup purposes. Centers like Kessler/Missi don’t get more than 20-25 minutes a game in the modern NBA.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I think Trey gets extended at 4 years $100 million and takes McCullum’s starting spot in 1-2 years . Adding Markkanen gives us plenty of shooting to keep Herb in the starting lineup. It’s not like Herb doesn’t deserve to be a starter. 1st team all defense players arent 6th men. CJ still getting 20 points a game with 39% at 3. Also, does it really matter? Willie will distribute the minutes as he wants.

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Yup. Murray/CJ is the starting backcourt combo for sure, Herb developed a catch and shoot 3 to go with his outstanding defense and you just cant justify sending him to the bench. The only way Trey starts next season is if/when one of those 3 is injured.

I would legit rather pay and keep BI than trade him for Barnes and Huerter tho, that just makes no sense without a 3rd team involved (Utah)

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I think Trey gets extended at 4 years $100 million and takes McCullum’s starting spot in 1-2 years . Adding Markkanen gives us plenty of shooting to keep Herb in the starting lineup. It’s not like Herb doesn’t deserve to be a starter. 1st team all defense players arent 6th men. CJ still getting 20 points a game with 39% at 3. Also, does it really matter? Willie will distribute the minutes as he wants.

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Yeah it's not Herb I'm suggesting go to the bench, it's CJ. I know that for various reasons (WG's respect for seniority over everything, his contract value, etc) that will never happen, but again if we're dreaming why not dream big.

In any case, if I'm Trey and I'm still coming off the bench in year 5 despite having earned $25m a year and being one of the league's best and most dangerous shooters, I'm considering asking for a trade. Team clearly does not value you that much.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not saying he would or should ask for a trade. I'm just saying he should be considering it. If you'd start on 20-25 teams in the league but you're forced to keep coming off the bench for politics sake, you should be annoyed.

If the cap is impossible to balance keeping BI, how does it look trading him out for Markannen and Kessler?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

If the cap is impossible to balance keeping BI, how does it look trading him out for Markannen and Kessler?

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This year totally fine. 22M v's 36M for this season.
Next season will be tax for sure as need to extend Trey and Markannen. They would need to offload CJ.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah it's not Herb I'm suggesting go to the bench, it's CJ. I know that for various reasons (WG's respect for seniority over everything, his contract value, etc) that will never happen, but again if we're dreaming why not dream big.

In any case, if I'm Trey and I'm still coming off the bench in year 5 despite having earned $25m a year and being one of the league's best and most dangerous shooters, I'm considering asking for a trade. Team clearly does not value you that much.

Edit: to be clear, I'm not saying he would or should ask for a trade. I'm just saying he should be considering it. If you'd start on 20-25 teams in the league but you're forced to keep coming off the bench for politics sake, you should be annoyed.

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I don't think it has to do with politics, seniority, or contracts. I think it's because of who is better at playing basketball and who fits in that spot.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

This year totally fine. 22M v's 36M for this season.
Next season will be tax for sure as need to extend Trey and Markannen. They would need to offload CJ.

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The trade I previously outlined actually saves the Pels money this year.

CJ would be an expiring next year that would need to be traded. TMIII would take his place as the starting SG. It would essentially be replacing BI and CJ’s combined salary with TMIII, Markkanen, and Kessler next year.

Or… or… Gayle can open her coinpurse for 1 year and pay the luxury tax.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Brandon Ingram's name has been heating up in trade talks recently, and it looks like his days in New Orleans are coming to an end, per @TheSteinLine

“Attempts in New Orleans to trade Brandon Ingram have intensified in recent days, league sources say. Sources tell The Stein Line… pic.twitter.com/GKVkgI2qzb

— NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) July 4, 2024

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Watch BI and CJ go in the same trade. That would be wild.

ESPN Sources: Free agent Buddy Hield is joining Golden State on a sign-and-trade deal guaranteed for two years and $21 million. Hield gets $18M in first two years, a $3M partial guarantee in 3rd year and player option on non-guaranteed 4th year. Warriors send Sixers 2031 second…

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 4, 2024

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Watch BI and CJ go in the same trade. That would be wild.

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CJ going to the Jazz with Barnes and Duarte going to the Pels would work in my previous trade suggestion. Pelicandae could then release his pent up river.

Pels depth chart…

PG: Murray/Alvarado/Reeves
SG: Murphy/Hawkins/Duarte
SF: Jones/Barnes/Ryan
PF: Zion/Lyles/Robinson-Earl
C: Markkanen/Kessler/Missi