Pelicans to meet with Oden {EDIT-Oden chooses Miami,P.61}

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08-01-2013, 06:10 PM
AirForce1

Tomorow.
08-01-2013, 06:12 PM
takezor

Cool thanks.
08-01-2013, 06:42 PM
MonsterMash

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Originally Posted by yankeesman77

If Oden actually does decide to come to New Orleans. I think he'd instantly be apart of the NOLA 4 Horsemen. Almost new thread starter idea, who would you put in the NOLA 4 Horsemen? I'd make Holiday be the Flair or tully Blanchard or switch him with Davis. Also put in Jason Smith due to how long he's been with the group. And either Oden or Ryno as the 4th guy.

Smith and Anderson (well, duh) would be the Anderson's. I'd actually make Jrue the Tully, since he's the other "fashionable" guy besides Flair. Davis is the leader, has to be Flair. My first thought of Oden was JJ Dillon, since he'd be the guy "at ringside" with the injuries, but hopefully that works out better.
08-01-2013, 06:55 PM
yankeesman77

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Smith and Anderson (well, duh) would be the Anderson's. I'd actually make Jrue the Tully, since he's the other "fashionable" guy besides Flair. Davis is the leader, has to be Flair. My first thought of Oden was JJ Dillon, since he'd be the guy "at ringside" with the injuries, but hopefully that works out better.

Eric Gordon could be our JJ Dillion same with Tyreke. Low energy but soft speakers and can do everything from the sidelines.
08-01-2013, 08:36 PM
Biasvasospasm

I just got hit with a fairly ominous feeling of inevitably signing with the Heat. Too much smoke for too long... my feeling is that we made our offer, Conley tried to leverage that into a longer offer from the Heat, he failed, but that is where Greg by all indications wants to be regardless of money. And that's fine, I hope he can play basketball again period.
08-01-2013, 08:38 PM
Coughka

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

I just got hit with a fairly ominous feeling of inevitably signing with the Heat. Too much smoke for too long... my feeling is that we made our offer, Conley tried to leverage that into a longer offer from the Heat, he failed, but that is where Greg by all indications wants to be regardless of money. And that's fine, I hope he can play basketball again period.

Seems reasonable. The wait has been to get more money out of the Heat, but that could very well be a secondary concern for him.

Or could it...
08-01-2013, 08:41 PM
PelicanNation

I just got off the phone with oden. Miami gave him the mle he's going to South Beach people
08-01-2013, 08:47 PM
Emilio

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

I just got off the phone with oden. Miami gave him the mle he's going to South Beach people

Thanks for the info! It's good to have an insider in the forum. I hope you stick around.
08-01-2013, 08:51 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

I just got off the phone with oden. Miami gave him the mle he's going to South Beach people

Actually my cousins nephews brother just got off the phone with Odens agents brothers cousins niece who he dated for a while. She told him that she had just talked to her brothers wife's brothers cousins nephews brother who said Oden will make a decision this week.
08-01-2013, 08:55 PM
IamQuailman

Just found out from a Facebook source that his heart is currently teetering between a rock and a hard place.
08-01-2013, 09:15 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

I just got off the phone with oden. Miami gave him the mle he's going to South Beach people

So they committed over $11 million for Oden next year?
08-01-2013, 09:26 PM
IamQuailman

It's a 2 year 12mil deal, $1 first year and $11 in second
08-01-2013, 09:32 PM
Eman5805

Well, I just got off the phone with Oden and he told me to stop calling him because no Oden lives there.
08-01-2013, 09:35 PM
AD23nEG10

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So they committed over $11 million for Oden next year?

i'm with you. would really be strange to cut mike miller who they knew was healthy and then add most of the luxury tax they saved by doing so on Oden. taking a risk instead of a sure thing guy who made big shots for them is hard to wrap my head around
08-01-2013, 09:46 PM
The Pelican Fan

I wonder how hard it would be for Miami to move some other contracts to help their payroll for the signing of oden?
08-01-2013, 10:00 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So they committed over $11 million for Oden next year?

I think that is if they commit more than 1M.
08-01-2013, 10:01 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Well, I just got off the phone with Oden and he told me to stop calling him because no Oden lives there.

:hihi:
08-01-2013, 10:10 PM
LouisianaPride

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Originally Posted by takezor

LOL you are right!

Back on topic, when is Oden supposed to make his decision?

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08-01-2013, 10:21 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I think that is if they commit more than 1M.

He said they offered him the full MLE.
08-01-2013, 10:26 PM
RyanM

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He said they offered him the full MLE.

Wouldn't they only have the mini MLE?
08-01-2013, 10:26 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by The Pelican Fan

I wonder how hard it would be for Miami to move some other contracts to help their payroll for the signing of oden?

They could make a deal with the 76ers (who need to take on salary) to take on a salary like James Jones ($1.5 million) if they want to give up future draft picks.
08-01-2013, 10:27 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by RyanM

Wouldn't they only have the mini MLE?

They have the taxpayer MLE ($3.183 million). If they offer all of that, the total cost, including tax would be in the neighborhood of $11 million
08-01-2013, 10:34 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

They have the taxpayer MLE ($3.183 million). If they offer all of that, the total cost, including tax would be in the neighborhood of $11 million

Sorry, but what is the most the Heat could offer without paying the tax?
Also what is the most the Pels can pay.....is it around 2.7M to 3M and two years?

TY
08-01-2013, 10:41 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Sorry, but what is the most the Heat could offer without paying the tax?
Also what is the most the Pels can pay.....is it around 2.7M to 3M and two years?

TY

Heat are already paying the tax, so any additional salary adds to the tax (so best to offer league minimum). Pelicans can offer up to a 2 year deal starting at $2.652 million this season.
08-01-2013, 10:50 PM
Topdawg26

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

I just got off the phone with oden. Miami gave him the mle he's going to South Beach people

How do you know Oden personally? And if your a true pelicans fan why didn't you talk him out of going to South Beach?
08-01-2013, 10:53 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

$2.652 versus $992,680????
I know what I would do.

If he wants to resurrect his career, then he comes to Nola, if he wants to win a ring ASAP because he doesn't trust his body then he goes to Miami.

If he chooses Miami, then do we really want him at the Pel's if he doesn't think his body will last?
08-01-2013, 10:55 PM
DroopyDawg

To me.. he's a Miami Heat. If he chooses us I'd be shocked honestly.
08-01-2013, 11:07 PM
jgman

Take this with a grain of salt, I have no link, but I heard that our medical staff does not have the most optimistic outlook on his "comeback," either way I don't really care at this point. I'm torn between wanting him to choose us just as a slap in the face to the heat and wanting him to choose the heat because I have serious doubts about his ability to play and I want to see their fans' reactions to him not being the key to a 3 peat like they all claim
08-01-2013, 11:09 PM
PelicanFever

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...friday-sources

Sources told ESPN.com that Oden, after showing off his skills for several teams over the past few weeks, has not yet ruled out any of the six teams chasing him but is most likely to select his destination from the trio of Miami, San Antonio and Dallas.

New Orleans, Sacramento and Atlanta are the other known suitors for Oden. One source close to the process said Thursday night that the Pelicans, from that group, are the only other team still "in the mix."
08-01-2013, 11:12 PM
IamQuailman

Lol, somewhere else we were the front runners.... SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES
08-01-2013, 11:33 PM
groundpatty

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Originally Posted by jgman

I'm torn between wanting him to choose us just as a slap in the face to the heat

At this point, this is the only reason I'm still interested.

Any bonus, like him being able to play 30 games, is lagniappe. :hihi:
08-02-2013, 12:06 AM
Jester

I just have zero faith in his health.
08-02-2013, 12:18 AM
RekesNotWeak

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

$2.652 versus $992,680????
I know what I would do.

If he wants to resurrect his career, then he comes to Nola, if he wants to win a ring ASAP because he doesn't trust his body then he goes to Miami.

If he chooses Miami, then do we really want him at the Pel's if he doesn't think his body will last?

Maybe he wants a chance to win a ring for one of the best teams in NBA history??
08-02-2013, 12:22 AM
FlyGirl

A little piece on Oden, Bynum and risk...

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Getting back to the Oden Slinky: the cost isn't much. The most he's going to get in salary at this point is the mini mid-level. There are not a whole lot of other usable big men at that price point out there. The back-up plan for one team in the Oden mix is Cole Aldrich. Oden will, like Bynum in Philly in 2012-13, draw some attention and maybe some pressure and angst from the fanbase the first time he's in a suit on the bench. But the team that picks him up won't have given up an All-Star, $15 million in salary or any of that.

Bynum hurt Philly so much because he was an all-in bet. Oden is two chips at a low-limit table. Oden is jaywalking across an Old West dirt path. He's skydiving from the top bunk. There's just not much risk at this point because there's not much cost.

And in fact, in a salary cap league, finding gems with low monetary and asset costs is a huge part of the game. Drafting studs late in the first round and in the second? Low risk, potential for high reward. Signing cheap players who are fighting long histories of injury but are dedicated to making it in the league? Low risk, potential for high reward. Picking up a couple of prospects and picks by trading a star you're going to lose anyway (as the Magic did with Dwight Howard in the Bynum trade)? Low risk, potential for high reward.

The high-risk decisions -- taking Oden over Durant, giving Brandon Roy $80 million, trading major assets for Bynum, trading Holiday for Noel and a pick -- are the ones you fret over, you analyze, you fret over some more. The low-risk decisions like giving Greg Oden $3 million ... those are nothing. If that Slinky can't be untangled? Oh well. Move on to the jigsaw puzzle that may or may not be missing a handful of pieces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/8/1...um-injury-risk
08-02-2013, 12:37 AM
42

Nice of people to finally catch up to the risk-reward discussion about the Pelicans.

Been going on for a while.
08-02-2013, 12:46 AM
Andres_San_Fran

No matter where Oden chooses to play I wish him the best. He has trained to hard and been through so much. I hope he chooses the Pelicans if not I know that Pelican fans will stay classy and respect his wishes.
08-02-2013, 12:53 AM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by groundpatty

At this point, this is the only reason I'm still interested.

Any bonus, like him being able to play 30 games, is lagniappe. :hihi:

Is that GIF sped up?
08-02-2013, 01:06 AM
Jester

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Originally Posted by 42

Nice of people to finally catch up to the risk-reward discussion about the Pelicans.

Been going on for a while.

We should scream angrily, hurling insults at each other.

I do think the risk would be small, but the supposed price has fallen considerably, no? I am very doubtful that he is ever healthy enough to contribute with regularity. If he can't do that, what's the point? When people say, low risk/high reward, I think of the lottery. Sure, it's low risk for me to spend $20 for the "high reward" of $Millions, but is it really wise to do it just because I'm carrying a couple sawbucks.
08-02-2013, 06:56 AM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by jgman

Take this with a grain of salt, I have no link, but I heard that our medical staff does not have the most optimistic outlook on his "comeback," either way I don't really care at this point. I'm torn between wanting him to choose us just as a slap in the face to the heat and wanting him to choose the heat because I have serious doubts about his ability to play and I want to see their fans' reactions to him not being the key to a 3 peat like they all claim

If that's the case, there would be no reason for us to make an offer.
08-02-2013, 07:10 AM
42

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Originally Posted by Jestercan

We should scream angrily, hurling insults at each other.

I do think the risk would be small, but the supposed price has fallen considerably, no? I am very doubtful that he is ever healthy enough to contribute with regularity. If he can't do that, what's the point? When people say, low risk/high reward, I think of the lottery. Sure, it's low risk for me to spend $20 for the "high reward" of $Millions, but is it really wise to do it just because I'm carrying a couple sawbucks.

I call the lottery high risk, low reward.
08-02-2013, 08:27 AM
DroopyDawg

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If that's the case, there would be no reason for us to make an offer.

Same thing I thought when I read this. Why are we still pursuing him if they don't think he'll be OK? So we're giving money away now?

I don't know bout this..
08-02-2013, 08:32 AM
AD23nEG10

maybe i'm reading into it to much but did it go from "us or the heat" to 3 other teams & then us still "in the mix"?

trending downward if these rumors are true
08-02-2013, 08:33 AM
Eman5805

I wouldn't really call Holiday for Noel and a protected 1st much of a risk. A player with a busted knee and a guy that is all about potential, even without knowing who he is, for a proven, fringe All-Star talent at worst who still has upside.
08-02-2013, 08:37 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by Jestercan

I just have zero faith in his health.

I am right there with you, but it is still worth the risk IMO.
08-02-2013, 08:37 AM
Jester

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Originally Posted by 42

I call the lottery high risk, low reward.

That's how I feel about Oden.

Also, as I've been saying all along, the agent was putting out false information about fake offers to drive up the price. It will be interesting to see how much he actually signs for.
08-02-2013, 08:41 AM
UNO Gracias

Today is the day for his decision.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...friday-sources
08-02-2013, 08:41 AM
Pantazis76

Is today his decision? I bet he goes to a random team like the Hawks.
08-02-2013, 08:44 AM
DroopyDawg

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Today is the day for his decision.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/95...friday-sources

From this article (looks to be updated since yesterday)

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Sources told ESPN.com that Oden, after showing off his skills for several teams over the past few weeks, has not yet ruled out any of the six teams chasing him but is most likely to select his destination from the trio of Miami, San Antonio and Dallas.

New Orleans, Sacramento and Atlanta are the other known suitors for Oden. One source close to the process said Thursday night that the Pelicans are the only team from that group still "in the mix."

Every team from the final six but Dallas sent a representative to Indianapolis last week to watch Oden work out, with multiple witnesses telling ESPN.com later that Oden has noticeably slimmed down and is moving well more than a year removed from his last microfracture knee surgery.

Sources said all six of the teams in the Oden chase then presented offers early this week that detailed not only financial specifics but also each club's medical plans for overseeing the 25-year-old Oden's ongoing recovery from a multitude of knee problems.
08-02-2013, 08:45 AM
RaisingTheBar

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

From this article (looks to be updated since yesterday)

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Sources said all six of the teams in the Oden chase then presented offers early this week that detailed not only financial specifics but also each club's medical plans for overseeing the 25-year-old Oden's ongoing recovery from a multitude of knee problems.

There goes that thought some had about no offers were made yet or whatever.
08-02-2013, 08:46 AM
Jester

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I am right there with you, but it is still worth the risk IMO.

It depends on the amount. I'd be all over something in the $1M range, but if Benson is okay wasting $3M, who am I to judge? I doubt that $3M will spontaneously combust if Oden goes unsigned, though. If he somehow stays healthy, I'll happily eat crow.

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