2013 Playoffs Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

what time?

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Sport-a-Facts starts at noon. I don't know what time Ro'll squeeze me in.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Look at his advanced metrics. Win shares was a career high. Win shares per 48 minutes were a career high. Offensive Rating was as high as he was in NOLA. Defensive Rating and defensive win shares at an all time high. His PER was at an all-time high this season. His overall numbers were down because less usage.

How does it feel getting owned?

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Ok your right he avg 12 ppg with the pacers last year. He is at his best ever now even tho he avgs 21ppg with new Orleans at 1 pt. you owned me.

This series is over. I cant see the Pacers winning B2B unless Lebron has a nasty tummy ache.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

PER =/= Per36

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Ahh got ya..when I see per # I'm assuming the stat per. My bad.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ok your right he avg 12 ppg with the pacers last year. He is at his best ever now even tho he avgs 21ppg with new Orleans at 1 pt. you owned me.

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That's because he got more touches and an all-world PG setting him up. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

LOL, he didn't mean PER.

He meant per 36 minutes per game. :hihi:

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He not only meant it, he said it.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Look at his advanced metrics. Win shares was a career high. Win shares per 48 minutes were a career high. Offensive Rating was as high as he was in NOLA. Defensive Rating and defensive win shares at an all time high. His PER was at an all-time high this season. His overall numbers were down because less usage.

How does it feel getting owned?

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Right less usage. A guy is at his all time best and they use him less. Makes sense I guess.

DX needs to knock someone out. UNO was right!

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

If u can find 1 post on here out of 2k of em where I use per to back up anything Im talking about I'll send u 500$ thru PayPal as a gift rt now. Never have never will. That's called being a hypocrite

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Not saying you (most people do), heck most advanced stats are worthless. At the end of the year advanced stats showed GV played better defense than anyone expected (I think he was like the 4th or 5th best defender on the team), but people were quick to squash that. It was an advanced stat though, just like PER. Advanced stats are great to base things off of, but they are hardly the truth, otherwise Morey ball, and Billy Bean ball would be winning.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Right less usage. A guy is at his all time best and they use him less. Makes sense I guess.

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Because they have other guys who can score too like Hibbert and George.

D-West chuckin'

Damn Dwest

If the Pacers had one solid get in the lane guard, they'd be dangerous.

A pity.

Way to go Pacers... Crush my dreams

A Spurs-Pacers Finals won't be entertaining at all. Spurs will easily win that series. Pacers have no advantages.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

That's because he got more touches and an all-world PG setting him up. :hihi:

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He was at a steady 19ppg in his years with n.o. I guess him avg almost 9rb per game with n.o. Was cause of cp3 too. Only avg 7.2 with Indiana. I guess his ft% being at an all time low has to do with not being with cp3. Guess his fg% being down by almost 10% has to do with not having cp3. Guess his mpg being down has to do with no cp3. Yea it's all cause of no cp3. Your right.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Not saying you (most people do), heck most advanced stats are worthless. At the end of the year advanced stats showed GV played better defense than anyone expected (I think he was like the 4th or 5th best defender on the team), but people were quick to squash that. It was an advanced stat though, just like PER. Advanced stats are great to base things off of, but they are hardly the truth, otherwise Morey ball, and Billy Bean ball would be winning.

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Exactly. His only argument for Dwest are advanced stats. ALL his basic stats which matter most are DOWN. He is not as good as he was when he was with us. Period. Bottom line.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

He was at a steady 19ppg in his years with n.o. I guess him avg almost 9rb per game with n.o. Was cause of cp3 too. Only avg 7.2 with Indiana. I guess his ft% being at an all time low has to do with not being with cp3. Guess his fg% being down by almost 10% has to do with not having cp3. Guess his mpg being down has to do with no cp3. Yea it's all cause of no cp3. Your right.

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His rebounding rate is only slightly lower than his days at NOLA but he also plays next to guys who can rebound like George and Hibbert. When did Peja ever rebound?

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

A Spurs-Pacers Finals won't be entertaining at all. Spurs will easily win that series. Pacers have no advantages.

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I dont really care I want Dwest to succeed. Pacer-GS is what i hoped for. Both sides let me down.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

LOL, he didn't mean PER.

He meant per 36 minutes per game. :hihi:

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Where did u find 36mpg at?? Not even close. He avgs 29mpg last year and 33mpg this year with pacers. Nice try tho. Those 2 don't add up to 36mpg.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Exactly. His only argument for Dwest are advanced stats. ALL his basic stats which matter most are DOWN. He is not as good as he was when he was with us. Period. Bottom line.

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Basic stats can be misleading. They don't account for things like pace, or how touches a guy gets. Comparing West now to his days in NOLA is comparing apples to oranges because they're totally different situations.

David west is garbage, glad we got rid of him

BTW, how good was DWest in that series against Denver back in 2009? He was garbage that series. And supposedly he was at his peak then.

Spurs better win against the heat or i will lose all hope in all hunbanity

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Spurs better win against the heat or i will lose all hope in all hunbanity

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Duncan needs to dominate because Parker won't face a stiffer test on the perimeter than against the Heat. The Spurs have a big edge on the frontcourt. Also, Leonard will have to be on his game as well against Lebron.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

BTW, how good was DWest in that series against Denver back in 2009? He was garbage that series. And supposedly he was at his peak then.

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Pls don't remind me of that garbage. Anyone can have a bad series. Harden vs heat in finals??

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

N I wasn't run to be a dk in the beginning but u came at me wrong first. Talkin about some "before u open ur trap" ain't nobody your kids on here.

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You mean asking me what I was smoking?

That lame duck 3rd quarter cost them this game. Only 11 points. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

You mean asking me what I was smoking?

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That was a joke. In case u didn't catch that. Which obviously u didn't. Lol

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

That lame duck 3rd quarter cost them this game. Only 11 points. Sheesh.

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It's like we went out and played for that one quarter.

A pity, George played a great game.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Pls don't remind me of that garbage. Anyone can have a bad series. Harden vs heat in finals??

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It wasn't just a bad series. He didn't have enough game in the post to score against a smaller but quicker K-Mart. West tried to settle for jumpers and take him off the dribble and he never had a chance. Now DWest could post him up alot more and have more success since his post game is better than it was back then.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's like we went out and played for that one quarter.

A pity, George played a great game.

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Hill and Stephenson disappearing act cost them.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's like we went out and played for that one quarter.

A pity, George played a great game.

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Haha i know right?

Sounds like our season Pacers 3rd QTR

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

It wasn't just a bad series. He didn't have enough game in the post to score against a smaller but quicker K-Mart. West tried to settle for jumpers and take him off the dribble and he never had a chance. Now DWest could post him up alot more and have more success since his post game is better than it was back then.

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Ill give u his post game may be a little better. Which I'd bet he has put all his effort into it cause he is not as athletic and agile as he used to be. He's much slower now. He has to rely on his post game now a days. So yes it would be better. You said he was an all around better player. I respectfully disagree.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Hill and Stephenson disappearing act cost them.

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Stephenson is basically Xavier Henry but right handed and from New York and only SLIGHTLY more coordinated.

And Hill is a younger, Roger Mason but in better shape.

Anything good from them is gravy. The Pacers have to win by grinding the Heat with their bigs, otherwise they will get run out the gym.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ill give u his post game may be a little better. Which I'd bet he has put all his effort into it cause he is not as athletic and agile as he used to be. He's much slower now. He has to rely on his post game now a days. So yes it would be better. You said he was an all around better player. I respectfully disagree.

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His defense is much better now as well. His improvement defensively started in his last season here and its been strong since. He has more help as well defensively, but individually he's improved as a defender. Honestly, Pacers don't have anyone who can create which hurts his offense.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Stephenson is basically Xavier Henry but right handed and from New York and only SLIGHTLY more coordinated.

And Hill is a younger, Roger Mason but in better shape.

Anything good from them is gravy. The Pacers have to win by grinding the Heat with their bigs, otherwise they will get run out the gym.

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Hibbert had 22 pts but only 6 boards. Hill and Stephenson combined for 5 points and 6 tos. I have to say them 2 guys cost them the game. I agree tho. They HAVE to pound the ball down low. Hibbert should get a touch every time. Down the floor on the block. No reason he shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Stephenson is basically Xavier Henry but right handed and from New York and only SLIGHTLY more coordinated.

And Hill is a younger, Roger Mason but in better shape.

Anything good from them is gravy. The Pacers have to win by grinding the Heat with their bigs, otherwise they will get run out the gym.

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Come on x isn't close to Stephenson. His def is pretty dang good ESP on top tier guys. X can't get out of his own way.

Hoping the Heat can put them away next game. A Spurs/Heat Finals will be entertaining.

Pacers are just too similar to the Grizzlies.

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Originally Posted by Shelbywmccarty

Come on x isn't close to Stephenson. His def is pretty dang good ESP on top tier guys. X can't get out of his own way.

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Suffice to say I don't trust ANY of what good comes out of Stephenson. His shot makes me cringe. His transitional recklessness makes me laugh. But I do love his fearlessness and he's very entertaining. I mean he waved a screen off while being guarded by LeBron like "Nah, son, I got this."

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

His defense is much better now as well. His improvement defensively started in his last season here and its been strong since. He has more help as well defensively, but individually he's improved as a defender. Honestly, Pacers don't have anyone who can create which hurts his offense.

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I hear ya man but all of his career highs in all categories have come in his younger days. I was born in Indy n all my fam is there so I root for the pacers as long as they ain't playing us. Lol. So I watch about 70-80% of all pacers games. These last 2 years of west are considerably less of what I saw from him in his years in no.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Pacers are just too similar to the Grizzlies.

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Agreed and I feel like a lot of fans would like us to go down a similar path.

Here is a scary thought, West is a FA this offseason, so is CP3. If Indy could do a sign based around Granger for CP3, and DX would resign on a slightly smaller deal than what he has now, the Pacers would have their pg, sf, PF, and center spot locked up so tight it would be suffocating.

Or West could just go to the Clips and be with CP3 and cough Byron.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Or West could just go to the Clips and be with CP3 and cough Byron.

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He would be stupid to stay in LA. Indy has a title team, LA has a sideshow team.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Agreed and I feel like a lot of fans would like us to go down a similar path.

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Both teams could use an Eric Gordon, assuming he's healthy.

Maybe that is the plan now. DX tanking.