2024 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by Algiersraised

I’mbetting we gonna regret letting him go lol

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Very possibly. Should of took that Sixers deal

Sounds like the Kings trade went stale too

Free agent center James Wiseman has agreed on a two-year contract with the Indiana Pacers, sources tell ESPN. Wiseman was the No. 2 overall pick in the 2020 NBA Draft. pic.twitter.com/UBA9Yhlejx

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2024

Thank God.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He should be cheap. However, if we trade for Wendell Carter, we may need a better backup to fill in when Carter is out.

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He's cheap because he's hot garbage, thankfully he's off the board so Griff's been saved from himself.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Sounds like the Kings trade went stale too

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Good... never understood what we'd be getting from them that would be better than keeping Ingram.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Speaking of Westbrook. Clippers are working with him to find another home.

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Hmmmm

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Naz is the dream! I'm holding out hope!

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They probably want Herb too.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Good... never understood what we'd be getting from them that would be better than keeping Ingram.

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Nothing, the point of the Kings trade (which I'm not even a fan of, I just think you have to be fair to the arguments) is that DJM is already the primary BI replacement, and that the Kings deal would be a 3 teamer getting a C as well as Barnes and picks.

So you could imagine it less as ''we're trading BI for Barnes?!'' and more as ''We traded BI, Dyson, and Nance for DJM, Barnes, WCJ, and 2 first round picks''. Which I think most people would agree isn't a completely unfair return.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...-knicks-76ers/

New Scotto article. Here's the relevant Pels part:

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The Warriors, Kings, Spurs, Timberwolves, and Pelicans are among the teams who’ve expressed interest in trading for Markkanen, league sources told HoopsHype.

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Not really much, but it's something I guess.

Another strikeout

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/new...rs-per-reports

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Nothing, the point of the Kings trade (which I'm not even a fan of, I just think you have to be fair to the arguments) is that DJM is already the primary BI replacement, and that the Kings deal would be a 3 teamer getting a C as well as Barnes and picks.

So you could imagine it less as ''we're trading BI for Barnes?!'' and more as ''We traded BI, Dyson, and Nance for DJM, Barnes, WCJ, and 2 first round picks''. Which I think most people would agree isn't a completely unfair return.

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Problem is it just wouldn't be true.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Another strikeout

https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/new...rs-per-reports

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After acquiring DJM I wouldn't have thought he was an option.

Free agent F/C Moe Wagner is returning to the Orlando Magic on a two-year, $22 million deal, sources tell ESPN. Wagner averaged 10.8 points and 4.3 rebounds in 80 games for the Eastern Conference’s fifth seed. pic.twitter.com/ZZTIHbzaB3

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2024

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Problem is it just wouldn't be true.

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If you send out those parts and get those things in return, I dont really care which direction each outgoing part heads, personally. Obviously they're technically separate transactions but what matters is the result more than anything, and its functionally the same either way. Same players out, same return in.

News of no big men left in FA might actually be good news for those who want Ingram traded. Front office might feel compelled to move Ingram for a solid/ to moderately good big and pieces.

I don't see the Pels getting a good big if Ingram isn't included in a trade package. I could be wrong though.

I’m holding out hope that we can somehow pry Jarrett Allen free from the Cavaliers. There’s a lot of rumblings out there that he might not be a fit for the new Coach’s plans.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I’m holding out hope that we can somehow pry Jarrett Allen free from the Cavaliers. There’s a lot of rumblings out there that he might not be a fit for the new Coach’s plans.

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If the Pels really wanted him I'm sure they'd have him. He's a solid big, not premier. The Pels have premier assets.

BI for Lauri Markkanen ******** it lets do it. We can go small ball.

Murray
CJ
Herb or Trey
Zion
Lauri

Free agent guard Monte Morris plans to sign a deal with the Phoenix Suns, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Suns lock in a reliable point guard entering his eighth NBA season. Morris has averaged 10 points, 39% 3-point shooting and 3.8 assists over career. pic.twitter.com/d1AUNCYIKm

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 2, 2024

Good move for the Suns, Monte Morris is an excellent backup point.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

BI for Lauri Markkanen ******** it lets do it. We can go small ball.


Murray
CJ
Herb or Trey
Zion
Lauri

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From the sounds of it, BI would not be close to enough. They're asking for an AD level return, from what little has been discussed publicly.

Also - worth mentioning, though I don't think it's a deal-ender - but Lauri is not a 5. Yes, he's tall, but he doesn't defend 5s, he doesn't protect the rim, and he's not even a particularly great rebounder for someone of his size. The Jazz have almost exclusively played him alongside another big for a fairly good reason, imo.

We would have to be OK losing Trey or Herb with BI for Lauri and I’m not sure if the org is good with parting with either one. I also cringe at that front court defensively. But obviously drool thinking about the offense.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

After acquiring DJM I wouldn't have thought he was an option.

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Griffin reported we're moving to an anti-big roster.

/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

We would have to be OK losing Trey or Herb with BI for Lauri and I’m not sure if the org is good with parting with either one. I also cringe at that front court defensively. But obviously drool thinking about the offense.

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For reasons highlighted by Pelicanidae, it would be a bad move in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Griffin we're moving into an anti-big roster.

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Yuk.. I hate small ball.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

From the sounds of it, BI would not be close to enough. They're asking for an AD level return, from what little has been discussed publicly.

Also - worth mentioning, though I don't think it's a deal-ender - but Lauri is not a 5. Yes, he's tall, but he doesn't defend 5s, he doesn't protect the rim, and he's not even a particularly great rebounder for someone of his size. The Jazz have almost exclusively played him alongside another big for a fairly good reason, imo.

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Are we all pretending that Willie Green doesn't coach this team. Now way in hell is Griffin going to hand Willie Lauri to pair next to Zion. No rebounding, no rim protection, and no preventing players from getting to the rim. Zion doesn't pass the ball out enough to make up for what we're going to lose in the above categories.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Very possibly. Should of took that Sixers deal

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What deal was that? There was never any report of any offer from the Sixers.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

For reasons highlighted by Pelicanidae, it would be a bad move in my opinion.

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I'd still consider it, depending on a few other factors (are we also getting a backup big? CJ is going to the bench, right? these kinds of questions) because the offense would be legitimately outrageous and having a truly electric offense can help mitigate the worst aspects of having a poor defense. Plus, of course, it's Willie Green, so I trust him to extract defense from people. If DJM is playing defense the way he did in San Antonio, Zion is defending like he did at the end of last season, and Herb is still there, then I think it would probably be workable.

95% of the time it would be fantastic and the 5% of the time that we have a horrible shooting night it would be bad. Like, real bad.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I'd still consider it, depending on a few other factors (are we also getting a backup big? CJ is going to the bench, right? these kinds of questions) because the offense would be legitimately outrageous and having a truly electric offense can help mitigate the worst aspects of having a poor defense. Plus, of course, it's Willie Green, so I trust him to extract defense from people. If DJM is playing defense the way he did in San Antonio, Zion is defending like he did at the end of last season, and Herb is still there, then I think it would probably be workable.

95% of the time it would be fantastic and the 5% of the time that we have a horrible shooting night it would be bad. Like, real bad.

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Yeah, I thought about it a bit more. If Pels keep Herb, it's a solid move for both parties. But I wouldn't include Herb, that would be a deal breaker.

What are your thoughts on Daniel Theis?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder who they want

Lakers GM Rob Pelinka says he is determined to “remain aggressive” during free agency, and will part with their 2 1st-round picks “for the right deal”.

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— Legion Hoops (@LegionHoops) July 2, 2024

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

What deal was that? There was never any report of any offer from the Sixers.

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MM said Pelicans had to act fast on it. Once they got PG it was off the table.

I'm beginning to have a mind change. Give B.I his extension. You can always trade him later on.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

MM said Pelicans had to act fast on it. Once they got PG it was off the table.

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They were never making a move before they knew what was going on with PG. More hot air from MM.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yeah, I thought about it a bit more. If Pels keep Herb, it's a solid move for both parties. But I wouldn't include Herb, that would be a deal breaker.

What are your thoughts on Daniel Theis?

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I like Theis just fine as a backup C, part of the rotation. I wouldn't even mind him starting if we had a solid backup and could do a centre-by-committee thing. If he's your sole big I think that's an issue.

Free agent F Xavier Tillman has agreed on a two-year deal to return to the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN. Tillman averaged 5.3 points and 3.9 rebounds last season. pic.twitter.com/Z1510rRVs6

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2024

Another big off the board.

Rumor.. Lakers are working on a three team trade to land DeRozan and Jerami Grant.

Orlando Magic F Jonathan Isaac has agreed on a five-year, $84 million contract renegotiation and extension, sources tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/4skp5qS2sp

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2024

So Orlando has re-signed Mo Wagner, renegotiated and extended Isaac, and brought back Goga.

Really really feels like WCJ is gettable. They seem entirely interested in other bigs.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Orlando Magic F Jonathan Isaac has agreed on a five-year, $84 million contract renegotiation and extension, sources tell ESPN. pic.twitter.com/4skp5qS2sp

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 2, 2024

So Orlando has re-signed Mo Wagner, renegotiated and extended Isaac, and brought back Goga.

Really really feels like WCJ is gettable. They seem entirely interested in other bigs.

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The Magic overpaid several of their own players when they realized that they couldn’t attract a star. I wish they had interest in BI, but that doesn’t look to be the case with the KCP signing. WCJ is meh, but he is better than what we have, lol.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Rumor.. Lakers are working on a three team trade to land DeRozan and Jerami Grant.

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Did our Front Office start vacation early after the Murray trade?

Kemba Walker officially announced his retirement from basketball.

Among players 6'0" or shorter, only Allen Iverson had more seasons averaging 20+ PPG. pic.twitter.com/vfROMmH4aN

— Basketball Reference (@bball_ref) July 2, 2024

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Did our Front Office start vacation early after the Murray trade?

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I think they're working. Most likely trying to extract as much value as they can from an Ingram trade. If a good deal isn't available they can always see how things playout during the season. Maybe he adjusts his playing style. Or he ups his trade value.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

I think they're working. Most likely trying to extract as much value as they can from an Ingram trade. If a good deal isn't available they can always see how things playout during the season. Maybe he adjusts his playing style. Or he ups his trade value.

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I agree with the first bit of this. I'm sure they've been on the phones every day seeing what's out there, trying to gauge interest, making offers, counter-offers, et cetera.

I disagree that it's possible for BI to up his trade value. While he could always play better, it's the final year of his contract so every month of the season that goes by, the rental gets shorter. That would off-set any play improvement, in my opinion: nobody's paying big for like, 3 months of BI.

If you don't trade him you have to extend him IMO.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I agree with the first bit of this. I'm sure they've been on the phones every day seeing what's out there, trying to gauge interest, making offers, counter-offers, et cetera.

I disagree that it's possible for BI to up his trade value. While he could always play better, it's the final year of his contract so every month of the season that goes by, the rental gets shorter. That would off-set any play improvement, in my opinion: nobody's paying big for like, 3 months of BI.

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Valid points. Him being a premier asset does leave the door open though for a move during the season. If he does end up playing better it wouldn't be the end of the world to actually keep him.

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Originally Posted by donato

If you don't trade him you have to extend him IMO.

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At that point, you have to start shopping Trey.

Yes. There is probably a better market for TMIII and picks to a rebuilding team because of his contract and they can sell their fan base on potential.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Yes. There is probably a better market for TMIII and picks to a rebuilding team because of his contract and they can sell their fan base on potential.

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And picks?

So we're trading Trey and picks to make up for the failure of not having traded BI a year ago when his value was high enough to actually get something out of it? AND we have to pay that contract?

Jesus Christ. Fire Griff into the sun if that happens.

BI is all-star talent.

Boston didn't trade away players like Tatum, Brown, or BI. They won by trading away a player more on Trey's level in Marcus Smart. This is such a weird fan base wanting star talent traded away for a role player just to make room for the extension of another role player.

CJ and Jonas were never star talent but we wanted them to be. BI, Murray, and Zion are star players. We actually have a Big 3. It's reported the Pels intend to work out an extension on Ingram. They want this Big 3. Trey and picks going out for a Big seems just as likely at the moment as BI and Pels extension talks breaking down and him being traded.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

And picks?

So we're trading Trey and picks to make up for the failure of not having traded BI a year ago when his value was high enough to actually get something out of it? AND we have to pay that contract?

Jesus Christ. Fire Griff into the sun if that happens.

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Agree. I’d rather lose BI for nothing than trade TMIII and extend BI at 50 million a year. BI becomes Zach Lavine once he signs an extension.

Man. Y'all's hatred for this guy brings out the wildest ideas.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

MM said Pelicans had to act fast on it. Once they got PG it was off the table.

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Well it was obvious that the Sixers were a potential landing spot but only if they did not PG. That is why I am fairly certain that there was never an offer.