2022-23 Offseason Thread

One Malik Beasley or Ochair Agbaji, please.

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Originally Posted by PleaseWinPels

One Malik Beasley or Ochair Agbaji, please.

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And what are you willing to give up?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

No trolling here. This is true,

At the start of trade talks in July, New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY. https://t.co/3eDg2Mf7f1

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) September 2, 2022

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For once... you can't blame the knicks. That's a good offer but Ainge said nah. Utah is in obvious tank mode.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And what are you willing to give up?

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I ask because Griff has spoken to Utah a few times in the past month or so and its hard to shake anyone loose without giving up a first. And none of those guys are really worth the opportunity cost of giving up a 1st now (compared to waiting until Feb)

I think he would do Graham and Hayes for Beasley in a millisecond, for instance. Maybe even add some 2nds but that move isnt worth giving up a 1st. Either is Clarkson or Bogdanovic.

But Griff would love to open up a roster space, and no not for EJ. Its to give someone else a NG deal

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And what are you willing to give up?

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I'd be willing to give up Graham and a protected 1st for Agbaji. Maybe that's an overpay but im bullish on him.

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The Jazz are, according to sources, also engaged in trade conversations around its remaining pieces, namely veterans forward Bojan Bogdanovic, guard Mike Conley and guard Jordan Clarkson.
Source: Tony Jones @ The Athletic

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Which one would help the most, and what would we have to give up for him?

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Originally Posted by PleaseWinPels

I'd be willing to give up Graham and a protected 1st for Agbaji. Maybe that's an overpay but im bullish on him.

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I see why.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

But Griff would love to open up a roster space, and no not for EJ. Its to give someone else a NG deal

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Does he have a particular player in mind already for that spot?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Does he have a particular player in mind already for that spot?

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Yes. Someone you all talked about quite a bit for a few days this summer

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Which one would help the most, and what would we have to give up for him?

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Personally, I don’t want any of them. Only guy I would take from the Jazz is Beasley

You trade for Bogdanovic and he wants 25+ minutes. Again, show me where those are coming from. I’d rather give more to Trey and maybe be one or two games worse than give them to Bogdanovic, limit Treys minutes, and win one or two extra games. Same with washed up Conley or Clarkson vs Kira, Jose, and Daniels

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yes. Someone you all talked about quite a bit for a few days this summer

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Must be someone from the SL team. Maybe Butler?

I’d do Hayes and Graham for either Clarkson or Beasley. Utah needs a center and Jaxson has that youthful upside. He would be a tanktastic defensive turnstile center.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I’d do Hayes and Graham for either Clarkson or Beasley. Utah needs a center and Jaxson has that youthful upside. He would be a tanktastic defensive turnstile center.

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I like Beasley, but not interested in Clarkson.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I’d do Hayes and Graham for either Clarkson or Beasley. Utah needs a center and Jaxson has that youthful upside. He would be a tanktastic defensive turnstile center.

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We have offered that. They want a pick. Still wanna do it?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We have offered that. They want a pick. Still wanna do it?

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If it?s a 2nd round pick, sure. 1st, no. Also, which player was targeted?

Beasley and Bojan were the two main ones from that team. Again, a 2nd aint getting it done. And I personally dont think either of those guys are worth giving up any first. Right now is when you pay the highest. Again, you werent getting CJ for Hart and a late 1st this time last year. Go into the season and get someone when prices come down in Feb -- if you even need someone

I’m assuming Detroit doing the same thing Isaiah Stewart as the jazz with both those players

Yup and other guys too that Griff has checked in on. Grahams years on his deal make it a negative contract in the eyes of everyone he calls. And Jax doesn’t add enough of a positive to offset it. I mean, the Jazz saw Graham as a bigger negative that THT - a dude who can’t even make 25 percent of his threes

Best case scenario is Graham and/or Jax can look good in spurts to start the year and Graham looks more like a neutral and Jax looks like a positive. Or someone who is competing has a guard injury or two and the deal becomes a three way where the good team takes Graham and sends an expiring to Utah and then they would be more than happy to do an expiring and Jax for Malik or Bogdanovic

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Yup and other guys too that Griff has checked in on. Grahams years on his deal make it a negative contract in the eyes of everyone he calls. And Jax doesn’t add enough of a positive to offset it. I mean, the Jazz saw Graham as a bigger negative that THT - a dude who can’t even make 25 percent of his threes

Best case scenario is Graham and/or Jax can look good in spurts to start the year and Graham looks more like a neutral and Jax looks like a positive. Or someone who is competing has a guard injury or two and the deal becomes a three way where the good team takes Graham and sends an expiring to Utah and then they would be more than happy to do an expiring and Jax for Malik or Bogdanovic

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We gave up a 1st for Graham and now will require giving up another to get rid of him?

That's painful.

Do you think Graham, Temple, Naji and a top 20 protected 1st for Agbaji and Beasley would work? One would solidify our backup SG and the other youth at the position.

So the Jazz take on bad contracts and get maybe the 23rd pick for a positive player and a guy who was just taken 14th a few months ago. Pretend you are a Jazz fan and now respond to that trade idea from the fan of the other team

What about Graham and a top 8 protected first (2025?) for Agbaji?

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

I don’t think we’re desperate enough, or good enough honestly, to give up that type of capital just to get rid of Graham, especialllg to get that caliber of player back. If CJ was hart plus 1, using the plus 1 right now would cost us in the long run

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Originally Posted by coreylaron

I don’t think we’re desperate enough, or good enough honestly, to give up that type of capital just to get rid of Graham, especialllg to get that caliber of player back. If CJ was hart plus 1, using the plus 1 right now would cost us in the long run

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I mean if we could get a cj type player with the 1st rounder and a player, why not try that again?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So the Jazz take on bad contracts and get maybe the 23rd pick for a positive player and a guy who was just taken 14th a few months ago. Pretend you are a Jazz fan and now respond to that trade idea from the fan of the other team

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If I’m the jazz I don’t but if they are accumulating 1st and we throw some money in the deal to help buyouts. I don’t know. There are motivation we don’t see. Still like to know who the player we wanted during the summer.

Did anybody see the Lithuania game? I didn?t see it but JV was the top scorer and according to reports dramatically outplayed Sabonis.

Big man needs to rest up. Training camp is only in 3 weeks.

Pelicans big man Jonas Valanciunas looks like he’s in some pretty significant pain after a 34-point, 14-rebound, 35-minute performance in Lithuania’s double-OT loss to Germany. It was a back-to-back and third game in four days. pic.twitter.com/LPAYikKsBQ

— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) September 4, 2022

Contract negotiations going well with CJ and Nance. Team thinks they will likely get something done with both before or during camp. Years are more the sticking point, not the annual salary

What are the frameworks each are working within?

What is the reaction within NBA front offices to an in-season tournament?

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Did anybody see the Lithuania game? I didn?t see it but JV was the top scorer and according to reports dramatically outplayed Sabonis.

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Everyone watching Eurobasketball (not just Eurobasket), knew it will not work with Val and Sabonis together. No 3 second rule makes Valanciunas much better player then Sabonis in Eurobasket.
A lot of people are questioning Lithuania's coach decisions and that some of those are influenced by people on top, including Arvydas Sabonis.
You can easily see that they are playing much better with only one center at the floor, and there is quite a difference when that center is Valanciunas.

Suns owner banned one year, fined 10 million

https://sports.yahoo.com/phoenix-sun...161151811.html

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The investigation revealed the following key findings, as laid out in the report:

Sarver said the N-word at least five times in repeating or purporting to repeat what a Black person said ? four of those after being told by both Black and white subordinates that he should not use the word, even in repetition of another.

Sarver used language and engaged in conduct demeaning of female employees. Among other examples, he told a pregnant employee that she would be unable to do her job upon becoming a mother; berated a female employee in front of others and then commented that women cry too much; and arranged an all-female lunch so that female employees at Western Alliance Bank, where at the time he was CEO, could explain to female Suns employees how to handle his demands.

Sarver commented and made jokes frequently to employees in large and small settings about sex and sex-related anatomy, including by making crude or otherwise inappropriate comments about the physical appearance and bodies of female employees and other women. On four occasions, Sarver engaged in workplace-inappropriate physical conduct toward male employees.

Over 50 current and former employees reported that Sarver frequently engaged in demeaning and harsh treatment of employees ? including by yelling and cursing at them ? that on occasion constituted bullying under workplace standards.

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I hope they never win a championship aslong he's still a part of that organization.

Which should be easy because NBA doesn't have parity

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Suns owner banned one year, fined 10 million

https://sports.yahoo.com/phoenix-sun...161151811.html

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slap on the wrist. Should have been much bigger fine and multiple draft picks.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I hope they never win a championship aslong he's still a part of that organization.

Which should be easy because NBA doesn't have parity

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The desire by old white people to use the n-word is baffling. I mean I get it. It can be difficult to wrap your head around the fact that there is a word that YOU are not allowed to use but other people can. Hey, that's unfair! Maybe so, but you're literally a billionaire. Its not a big deal that there's a word you can't use. You'll survive this lack of privilege.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

slap on the wrist. Should have been much bigger fine and multiple draft picks.

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I'm sure he'd rather give up infinite draft picks than the $10MM.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

I'm sure he'd rather give up infinite draft picks than the $10MM.

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Hahaha. Totally.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

I'm sure he'd rather give up infinite draft picks than the $10MM.

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I said bigger fine AND multiple draft picks.

Sounds like Sarver was a real rotten owner / boss in a lot of ways. He'll probably be pressured out of his ownership.

But damn, it sure is something to watch the NBA , ESPN talking heads, LBJ all take this public moral high ground, when their biggest business partner, the CCP of China, commits the literal highest level of racism imaginable - genocide (the systematic killing and control of an ethnic, racial, and/or religious group). Uighurs

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-ri...ron-james-nba/

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uighurs+genocide&ia=web

So is Zion about to show up at media day looking like Duke Zion or is this typical off-season propaganda? Like Ben Simmons wetting threes in an empty gym.

https://theathletic.com/3606269/2022...shared_article

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

So is Zion about to show up at media day looking like Duke Zion or is this typical off-season propaganda? Like Ben Simmons wetting threes in an empty gym.

https://theathletic.com/3606269/2022...shared_article

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Little of column A, little of column B.

Assuming no injuries, I'm sure being in a multi-month dedicated camp prior to the season will bring him to, or close to, his athletic peak. But even if it doesn't, they're not going to say that.

Season approaching fast. I guess media day is next monday.

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Lonzo having knee surgery and out 6 weeks.

Lol

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Lonzo having knee surgery and out 6 weeks.

Lol

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Why is that funny?

Yeah. I wish no harm on the Ball kid. Honestly I hope he finds success in Chicago. Until he plays us. And then we must crush him utterly.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Why is that funny?

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It's not funny that he's injured, more that we probably win the trade now getting a superb return of Sato and Temple

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Originally Posted by AusPel

It's not funny that he's injured, more that we probably win the trade now getting a superb return of Sato and Temple

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Now that?s funny 😆

Situation in Phoenix seems horribly toxic right now.

We should finish ahead of them

If you really believe that, you should be pounding our over and their under.

Personally, I do not think vibes or press conferences should be used as major insight into a team. At the end of the day, they won nearly 70 games last year and return almost everyone. Assuming average health for both teams, it would be a major upset for Pels to finish with more wins

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If you really believe that, you should be pounding our over and their under.

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I'd rather not have gambling money tied up for 9 months tbh

Especially when the return is less than 2:1

Far better ways to invest than waiting almost a year to see any sort of outcome