Official Fire Monty Thread

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Demps can look all he wants, if the Bensons want the hometown boy, they'll get the hometown boy. Rita and Avery were All Star hosts together. There is a relationship there already.

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Avery has said that he wants a front office job. I don't think coaching is in his future unless he could be GM/Coach

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Demps can look all he wants, if the Bensons want the hometown boy, they'll get the hometown boy. Rita and Avery were All Star hosts together. There is a relationship there already.

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And that means what? It's a possibility, but you are talking as if Avery is already set as Monty's replacement if he is fired.

Also do you think Benson found Sean Payton? My guess is Benson trusts the guys he pays to run the team.

i have no inside info, but if/when Monty is fired, I Avery will be on the short list. Just watch.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Won't happen. Also, I don't think McNamara said he thinks Avery Johnson would become a coach, but it is a concern/fear. I have confidence Demps would go out and get a coach that fits his vision of the team.

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If Rita Benson has her way, Avery is the coach. No doubt in my mind. My fear is that this has a chance of happening. My hope is that Demps would have final say bc there is no way he would hire Avery


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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Rita Benson has her way, Avery is the coach. No doubt in my mind. My fear is that this has a chance of happening. My hope is that Demps would have final say bc there is no way he would hire Avery


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Ay no. Hablo grande la problema con Avery. Excuse my Spanish.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Rita Benson has her way, Avery is the coach. No doubt in my mind. My fear is that this has a chance of happening. My hope is that Demps would have final say bc there is no way he would hire Avery


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I agree 100%. This may just be me, but I would rather Benson hand his professional sports assets over to Loomis to run instead of Rita.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Rita Benson has her way, Avery is the coach. No doubt in my mind. My fear is that this has a chance of happening.

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Are you saying that Rita Benson is having a sexual affair with Avery? And that is the reason why Avery will be given the job? Because that is what I am reading! :love2:

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Avery has said that he wants a front office job. I don't think coaching is in his future unless he could be GM/Coach

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There's no way he'll ever get that much control after how terrible he was in Brooklyn. The Nets were lucky they fired him earlier enough last season so PJ could salvage the season.

I don't think Rita Benson is having a sexual affair with any man.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Won't happen. Also, I don't think McNamara said he thinks Avery Johnson would become a coach, but it is a concern/fear. I have confidence Demps would go out and get a coach that fits his vision of the team.

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Who's to say Demps wouldn't get the axe with Monty? Not like he's done a stellar job himself.

i hope they clean house

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Who's to say Demps wouldn't get the axe with Monty? Not like he's done a stellar job himself.

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I based it off of the assumption that Demps has the power to fire Monty, and I honestly beleive Demps has done a great job acquiring talent with his vision. The coach just isn't on the same page.

I'm confused. Why would Avery Johnson be a bad head coach? He has a winning record in the NBA, has extensive playoff experience - even leading them to finals, and is still relatively young at 49 years old. Sure his Nets teams were meh, but what are the Nets doing since him - other than giving us free money with all that luxury tax?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm confused. Why would Avery Johnson be a bad head coach? He has a winning record in the NBA, has extensive playoff experience - even leading them to finals, and is still relatively young at 49 years old. Sure his Nets teams were meh, but what are the Nets doing since him - other than giving us free money with all that luxury tax?

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Nothing else matters but his Brooklyn days. You didn't know?

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Demps can look all he wants, if the Bensons want the hometown boy, they'll get the hometown boy. Rita and Avery were All Star hosts together. There is a relationship there already.

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I'm sorry but if demps isn't fired and we know that Rita benson hired a coach over the gms approval. I'll be done with this franchise and I'm not joking. I don't care what coach is for that matter. That woman has no business calling those kinds of shots in the nba. I seriously doubt that Hackensack my ways but if it did. I'd be done.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I based it off of the assumption that Demps has the power to fire Monty, and I honestly beleive Demps has done a great job acquiring talent with his vision. The coach just isn't on the same page.

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I'm not sold on the Holiday and Evans acquistions and the Gordon contract is already looking bad. I think the Anderson contract was a great move, but he hasn't matched his efficiency from his days in Orlando and the Rivers pick looks bad too. I'm not convinced this current roster when healthy could be successful because all of the major pieces outside of Davis have alot of flaws.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm confused. Why would Avery Johnson be a bad head coach? He has a winning record in the NBA, has extensive playoff experience - even leading them to finals, and is still relatively young at 49 years old. Sure his Nets teams were meh, but what are the Nets doing since him - other than giving us free money with all that luxury tax?

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It speaks volumes that the Nets were much better after he got fired. Not to mention Dallas greatly upgraded as well with Carlisle. I think at best Avery is a solid head coach.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I'm not sold on the Holiday and Evans acquistions and the Gordon contract is already looking bad. I think the Anderson contract was a great move, but he hasn't matched his efficiency from his days in Orlando and the Rivers pick looks bad too. I'm not convinced this current roster when healthy could be successful because all of the major pieces outside of Davis have alot of flaws.

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So you'd actually rather Noel and the 10th pick in this draft instead of Holiday and Pierre Jackson?

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

It speaks volumes that the Nets were much better after he got fired. Not to mention Dallas greatly upgraded as well with Carlisle. I think at best Avery is a solid head coach.

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solid is waaay better than what monty is

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So you'd actually rather Noel and the 10th pick in this draft instead of Holiday and Pierre Jackson?

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Not necessarily, but Holiday isn't as great as advertised and he's making over 10 million a year. His basic numbers in Philly were good, but his efficiency was awful overall. Bad shooting numbers due to taking bad mid-range jumpers, high turnover rate, and not that great of a passer. I like his age and upside and his defense for sure, but I don't think he's worth his current contract and wasn't playing that well this season when healthy.

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

solid is waaay better than what monty is

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Well, I'm not even sure he's solid. If I had to guess, I would call him average.

I think Goran Dragic at his contract is a much better value over Holiday and he's a better player right now as well.

I can understand why Demps made the moves he made. He wanted to bring in young talented guys with upside on reasonable contracts, but maybe that's not the best idea of those players need lots of seasoning.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Well, I'm not even sure he's solid. If I had to guess, I would call him average.

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I don't know if he is solid or not but a solid coach would be waaay better than monty :)

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I think Goran Dragic at his contract is a much better value over Holiday and he's a better player right now as well.

I can understand why Demps made the moves he made. He wanted to bring in young talented guys with upside on reasonable contracts, but maybe that's not the best idea of those players need lots of seasoning.

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Whereas I don't think injuries should be an excuse for monty cause I've had enough evidence he is a horrible coach, having a horrible coach is the reason why I think we cannot judge Dell yet. I actually like Dell's philosophy and I would like to see it under a much better coach. The only thing I blame Dell for is not firing monty yet..

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

It speaks volumes that the Nets were much better after he got fired. Not to mention Dallas greatly upgraded as well with Carlisle. I think at best Avery is a solid head coach.

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The Nets were much better after he left? When he was fired they were .500, they finished the season with a .598 record and are worse this year than when they fired Avery. Dallas greatly upgraded? Avery's win % was .767 with them. They haven't hit .700 once since he was fired.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Not necessarily, but Holiday isn't as great as advertised and he's making over 10 million a year. His basic numbers in Philly were good, but his efficiency was awful overall. Bad shooting numbers due to taking bad mid-range jumpers, high turnover rate, and not that great of a passer. I like his age and upside and his defense for sure, but I don't think he's worth his current contract and wasn't playing that well this season when healthy.

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I disagree, and I'll bring some actual numbers to the arguement:

Before Jrue got hurt, his Month of December was very nice. 5 Double-Doubles, scored in double digits all but 1 game, had some monster games like the win against Portland where he went for 31 pts, 7 reb, 13 ast, 1 blk, 1 stl.

PPG 16.3
REB 4.6
AST 9.0
STL 1.4
TO 2.8

Next, Jrue is making 9.2 Million this year. For reference,

Ty Lawson - 10.7M
Steve Nash - 9.3M
Jameer Nelson - 8.6M
Rodney Stuckey - 8.5M
George Hill - 8M

I'd say Jrue's contract is fair and even on the "good" side.

Jrue's AST/TO Ratio is pretty much identical to Tony Parker, Lillard, Rondo, and Deron Williams. That can be improved and probably will be improved when he and AD get the PnR down to a science.

He is also 7th in the league(guards only) for AST%. He assisted on 35% of all Pelicans buckets when he is on the court. Chris Paul is like 50% and ROndo at 43%, but we are not looking for the next Paul or Rondo.

TL;DR I think you are way off based in saying Holiday is over paid.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I disagree, and I'll bring some actual numbers to the arguement:

Before Jrue got hurt, his Month of December was very nice. 5 Double-Doubles, scored in double digits all but 1 game, had some monster games like the win against Portland where he went for 31 pts, 7 reb, 13 ast, 1 blk, 1 stl.

PPG 16.3
REB 4.6
AST 9.0
STL 1.4
TO 2.8

Next, Jrue is making 9.2 Million this year. For reference,

Ty Lawson - 10.7M
Steve Nash - 9.3M
Jameer Nelson - 8.6M
Rodney Stuckey - 8.5M
George Hill - 8M

I'd say Jrue's contract is fair and even on the "good" side.

Jrue's AST/TO Ratio is pretty much identical to Tony Parker, Lillard, Rondo, and Deron Williams. That can be improved and probably will be improved when he and AD get the PnR down to a science.

He is also 7th in the league(guards only) for AST%. He assisted on 35% of all Pelicans buckets when he is on the court. Chris Paul is like 50% and ROndo at 43%, but we are not looking for the next Paul or Rondo.

TL;DR I think you are way off based in saying Holiday is over paid.

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I agree completely. Holiday is in no way over paid. He may be a little over hyped on this board tho. He's on a very good contract for the next 4 years. That's the thing that is so great IMO. He still has loads of potential and will only get better. Good comparisons to those other guys. I'm not the biggest holiday fan myself but his contract is a good one and I think that's a no brainer IMO. The things I'd like more of from him. I think will come with time on the court with Davis.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The Nets were much better after he left? When he was fired they were .500, they finished the season with a .598 record and are worse this year than when they fired Avery. Dallas greatly upgraded? Avery's win % was .767 with them. They haven't hit .700 once since he was fired.

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Yea he was well above average with the mavericks.

If this game doesn't get Monty fired then idk what does.

There's absolutely no defense for this atrocity. The man deserves to be fired immediately.

Monty is going no where. Im telling u guys. Don't let this game get your hopes up. Monty is locked I place.

My Under 12's basketball team that I coach plays better defense then we do at times. Shambolic really.

We all knew this was going to be bad, I don't know what some of you were expecting.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

We all knew this was going to be bad, I don't know what some of you were expecting.

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Why is Gordon and Evans and Jrue having the worst seasons of their career when they are meant to be peaking? Why is half our team injured, why is Davis not even getting many touches, why is Roberts clocking up the most minutes out of the team on most nights??
We all expected this? really?

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Why is Gordon and Evans and Jrue having the worst seasons of their career when they are meant to be peaking? Why is half our team injured, why is Davis not even getting many touches, why is Roberts clocking up the most minutes out of the team on most nights??
We all expected this? really?

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Um. I was talking about those who were using this game as a reason to fire Monty.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Monty is going no where. Im telling u guys. Don't let this game get your hopes up. Monty is locked I place.

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Been saying this since December...

I didn't see the game guys I was out and forgot to set the DVR. I see we got smashed by 30, and Austin had 19 and Reke went for 20. What happened in the game that warranted bumping this ridiculous thread?

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Been saying this since December...

I didn't see the game guys I was out and forgot to set the DVR. I see we got smashed by 30, and Austin had 19 and Reke went for 20. What happened in the game that warranted bumping this ridiculous thread?

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What happened is our Coach is a freaking joke...but half the fans on this board are too blind and too biased towards the Pelicans organization too see it.

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Originally Posted by Pelican Tech

What happened is our Coach is a freaking joke...but half the fans on this board are too blind and too biased towards the Pelicans organization too see it.

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I think most fans here see it (even MM agrees with it now) but there are a few that don't. My questions is why? Are they trying to look smarter than others? if so than i am sorry but it ain't working

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Been saying this since December...

I didn't see the game guys I was out and forgot to set the DVR. I see we got smashed by 30, and Austin had 19 and Reke went for 20. What happened in the game that warranted bumping this ridiculous thread?

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Ridiculous thread? no, this is the most important thread :)

the fact that monty keeps playing roberts as the starting point guard is really making me mad. it is not that it is ruining rivers but it is ruining tyreke IMO. why did we actually get tyreke? to play small forward? he is not a small forward at all too me, having him at this position hurts him and the team. i think tyreke should start as a point guard. having gordon at shooting guard and some one who can shoot at sf (miller?) would work much better than roberts, gordon, tyreke or roberts, gordon, aminu

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

I think most fans here see it (even MM agrees with it now) but there are a few that don't. My questions is why? Are they trying to look smarter than others? if so than i am sorry but it ain't working

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My point all along hasn't changed... whether I, or you or anybody want Monty gone or not is irrelevant. He's gonna get a pass for this season because of the injuries (and his shiny new contract). Ever since CP3 and DW left he's had an excuse, and this season he's had more of an excuse due to all the injuries regardless of his love for Robert or his questionable rotations.

But keep calling the dude an idiot and whatever if that helps y'all sleep at night. The sooner you realize he's here for at least another season (barring any more excuses next season)... the sooner folks will stop bumping this thread. You're delusional if you think Benson is gonna fire Monty after this season.

Jim Haslett didn't get a pass during the Katrina season. If Benson wants a new coach, we'll have a new coach.

I have never been on the 'Fire Monty' train as much as I have been on the 'Hire Shaka' train. Been there since November.

I don't think Monty is terrible, I just don't think he is elite, while I think Shaka, Hoiberg, and maybe even Fizdale could be elite. Stan Van Gundy too.

I guess you do have to Fire Monty to hire one of those guys, but it is more about adding a possible elite coach than about firing a terrible one in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

My point all along hasn't changed... whether I, or you or anybody want Monty gone or not is irrelevant. He's gonna get a pass for this season because of the injuries (and his shiny new contract). Ever since CP3 and DW left he's had an excuse, and this season he's had more of an excuse due to all the injuries regardless of his love for Robert or his questionable rotations.

But keep calling the dude an idiot and whatever if that helps y'all sleep at night. The sooner you realize he's here for at least another season (barring any more excuses next season)... the sooner folks will stop bumping this thread. You're delusional if you think Benson is gonna fire Monty after this season.

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Really starting to wonder why you feel like you have to post basically this same exact thing every week. I have to assume that perhaps you suffer from some sort of selective amnesia. This thread gets bumped because people need to vent. If we keep losing badly, it will, and should, keep getting bumped.

And we get it. You think Monty is coming back for another year. Thank you. We don't need your weekly update that never changes after every bad loss.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I have never been on the 'Fire Monty' train as much as I have been on the 'Hire Shaka' train. Been there since November.

I don't think Monty is terrible, I just don't think he is elite, while I think Shaka, Hoiberg, and maybe even Fizdale could be elite. Stan Van Gundy too.

I guess you do have to Fire Monty to hire one of those guys, but it is more about adding a possible elite coach than about firing a terrible one in my eyes.

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It all evens out to the same thing in the end.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

My point all along hasn't changed... whether I, or you or anybody want Monty gone or not is irrelevant. He's gonna get a pass for this season because of the injuries (and his shiny new contract). Ever since CP3 and DW left he's had an excuse, and this season he's had more of an excuse due to all the injuries regardless of his love for Robert or his questionable rotations.

But keep calling the dude an idiot and whatever if that helps y'all sleep at night. The sooner you realize he's here for at least another season (barring any more excuses next season)... the sooner folks will stop bumping this thread. You're delusional if you think Benson is gonna fire Monty after this season.

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You talk like Monty Williams is one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA. Maurice Cheeks just got fired 50 games into his first year as Pistons head coach. What the hell makes you think Monty Williams is just so untouchable? I mean you talk like it cost more to pay the coach than the actual players on this team.

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Originally Posted by Hercule

Really starting to wonder why you feel like you have to post basically this same exact thing every week. I have to assume that perhaps you suffer from some sort of selective amnesia. This thread gets bumped because people need to vent. If we keep losing badly, it will, and should, keep getting bumped.

And we get it. You think Monty is coming back for another year. Thank you. We don't need your weekly update that never changes after every bad loss.

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dude this thread is 48 pages of redundancy, why does everyone feel the need post the exact same fire monty posts, they are all the same

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Originally Posted by bradael

Jim Haslett didn't get a pass during the Katrina season. If Benson wants a new coach, we'll have a new coach.

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True story. As a matter of fact, minus the cheerleader scandal, Haslett and Monty have eerily similar coaching careers so far. Make the playoffs the first year, since then live off of hype of the first year, will this season for Monty (with all the injuries) be like Katrina was for Haslett?

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Originally Posted by jgman

dude this thread is 48 pages of redundancy, why does everyone feel the need post the exact same fire monty posts, they are all the same

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Couple reasons. First, we keep losing. lol

Second, I think most probably realize that Monty's coming back, so this thread is partly fueled on by that frustration.

And as fans, we like to think our voices are heard, somehow. Some probably view this thread as their only way of letting the FO know how much they think Monty sucks, no matter how useless that may be.

Like I said, I view this as a vent thread more than one built for discussion, so those trying to constantly talk people down in here are likely wasting their time, and really, telling someone who thinks Monty sucks that he's coming back over and over again is tantamount to trolling. Don't want to see people complain about Monty, don't open a Monty complaints thread.

I'm tired of hearing this narrative on this board that Monty Williams contract is more important than the overall success of the Pelicans franchise. Dude probably not even making more than $2 million a year but that same $2 million a year (according to some folks on here) prohibits the head brass from canning an individual in charge of a team that clearly isn't headed in the direction of being successful under this individual's stewardship. There's absolutely NO positives keeping Monty Williams as head coach of this franchise.