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I feel the same way. I just don’t know which of Mathurin and Daniels will be left. Fine with either but I really want Daniels

Question is, does Griff believe in a diverse investment portfolio?

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I still do not think Sharpe will be there at 8, so this is all likely a waste of time

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Of only Lakers sucked even harder :(

#pelslife

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Of only Lakers sucked even harder :(

#pelslife

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I know you're joking, but I would not be surprised if next year's pick swap has us picking in the top 10 again next year. Maybe even top-5. All it takes is one major injury to a 38 year old Lebron and that team is toast.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I feel the same way. I just don’t know which of Mathurin and Daniels will be left. Fine with either but I really want Daniels

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I get the appeal of Benny now more than I did before. I think Willie can get him to buy in defensively, at which point his ceiling as a 3 and D player is elite. He can't dribble, so it may look something like Jaylen Brown, but he was just the second best player on a finals team.

Daniels is so perfect though if you buy the shot. A 6'8 player who can defend 1-3, connect and playmake, run a little PnR, rebound it really well. Plays the exact type of basketball that Willie demands offensively and defensively

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Originally Posted by Upper Decker

I know you're joking, but I would not be surprised if next year's pick swap has us picking in the top 10 again next year. Maybe even top-5. All it takes is one major injury to a 38 year old Lebron and that team is toast.

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The odds of both of us and LA making the playoffs should be way lower than the odds of one missing it. I am assuming it’s a lotto pick. Back half of lotto, but lotto nonetheless

I think it goes

Smith
Chet
Paolo
Murray
Ivey
Mathurin
Sharpe

Pels take Daniels. Happily, and he is happy too. Would be my guess on how top 8 shakes out if I had to bet right now

I just don’t see Indy taking Mathurin with Haliburton, Duarte, Brogden and Hield on the roster(plus others). And I fully realize they could trade Brogden and Hield tomorrow, but I still see them trying to go in a different direction if things shake out as it looks now. Daniels is a little more positionally versatile at least if it were me. Or they could trade back or shock everyone.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I just don?t see Indy taking Mathurin with Haliburton, Duarte, Brogden and Hield on the roster(plus others). And I fully realize they could trade Brogden and Hield tomorrow, but I still see them trying to go in a different direction if things shake out as it looks now. Daniels is a little more positionally versatile at least if it were me. Or they could trade back or shock everyone.

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Pacers are going full rebuild. Smart teams don't take guys based on who they have now, they base it on their vision for the player in the future.

Mathurin is a pretty ideal fit with Haliburton IMO.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think it goes

Smith
Chet
Paolo
Murray
Ivey
Mathurin
Sharpe

Pels take Daniels. Happily, and he is happy too. Would be my guess on how top 8 shakes out if I had to bet right now

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Who's picking 7? I thought the field vs Portland would be the field

Also, this would be amazing

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think it goes

Smith
Chet
Paolo
Murray
Ivey
Mathurin
Sharpe

Pels take Daniels. Happily, and he is happy too. Would be my guess on how top 8 shakes out if I had to bet right now

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You think Portland takes Sharpe? That would be interesting. Or are you expecting Portland to trade the 7th pick/trade down?

And I would love that scenario. If we walk away with any of the top 8 or Sochan, I'm thrilled.

I think Portland takes Sharpe. If they trade, OKC would take Sharpe but Atlanta or Toronto would take Daniels. So I actually hope they don’t trade it

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think Portland takes Sharpe. If they trade, OKC would take Sharpe but Atlanta or Toronto would take Daniels. So I actually hope they don?t trade it

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No way Portland is taking Sharpe. The last thing they need is another guard who can't play defense.

Im a big fan of Daniels so I'd be stoked, just don't see how it helps Portland compete. I could easily see them taking Daniels over Sharpe for the defense.

"Damian Lillard is said to be high on [Shaedon] Sharpe's talent, despite Sharpe being 12 years younger and seemingly on a completely different timetable from Lillard." (via @DraftExpress)

Source:https://t.co/RGc2tE09AT pic.twitter.com/5cYOTlTGq9

— The Trade Deadline (@_TradeDeadline) June 21, 2022

This is definitely not not a smokescreen of some sort

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Originally Posted by PleaseWinPels

No way Portland is taking Sharpe. The last thing they need is another guard who can't play defense.

Im a big fan of Daniels so I'd be stoked, just don't see how it helps Portland compete. I could easily see them taking Daniels over Sharpe for the defense.

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Be very careful of saying “no way” this time of year. I know it is more alpha to make definitive claims, but you aren’t in their war room. You have no idea

What I do know for fact is that word has spread like crazy over the weekend that they love Sharpe. Made it all the way to two EC teams. Now, maybe they are doing it to entice a trade. Maybe it is real. I won’t pretend like I know for sure

Daniels o/u draft position has now fallen to 7.5. Mathurin remains at 6.5 and Sharpe remains at 7.5

The league thinks the top 5 is set player wise. Just a matter of order.

Sharpe, Mathurin, and Daniels should be the next 3. Sharpe getting serious looks from both 6 and 7. Mathurin from 6 more than 7. Daniels 7 more than 6

Refresh my memory, how 'concrete' was it that we were going to take Murphy leading up to draft day?

Was it less concrete, or pretty similar to who we are (very likely) gonna take this year, should they be there?

I feel like Murphy firmed in the few days leading up, but who we love has been telegraphed a bit sooner this draft

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Refresh my memory, how 'concrete' was it that we were going to take Murphy leading up to draft day?

Was it less concrete, or pretty similar to who we are gonna take this year, should they be there?

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I feel like I saw that smoke a lot earlier.

Also, Minny has called us about Jax…

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Also, Minny has called us about Jax…

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:eek:

Sell, sell, sell

He's always gonna be a sieve defensively playing the 4 or 5

I'm not swayed by a couple flashy blocks when he was in the right place at the right time

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Also, Minny has called us about Jax…

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How excited were you to hear that? :hihi: It does seem like he and the team would be best served with a fresh start elsewhere.

Nance needs to be getting all of Jax's minutes until Jax wants to rebound and defend

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Originally Posted by AusPel

:eek:

Sell, sell, sell

He's always gonna be a sieve defensively playing the 4 or 5

I'm not swayed by a couple flashy blocks when he was in the right place at the right time

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His bball IQ is trash. Freak athlete but man...

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

His bball IQ is trash. Freak athlete but man...

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Couldn't agree more

If an opponent is about to dunk on him, or has a head full of steam downhill, watch him run the other way

I irrationally love Jaylen Nowell. Probably the most random guy I like in the league. That said, I think a fair trade would look something like Beasley for Jax and Graham. Would love to throw Temple in too

I said it before and I'll say it again, teams that miss out on Collins and Ayton are going to call on Jax. He's more valuable than he is given credit for on here.

Personally, I'd rather Graham, Jax, and Temple for Harrison Barnes since he's rumored to be available, but I'd be fine with that deal for Beasley as well

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Be very careful of saying ?no way? this time of year. I know it is more alpha to make definitive claims, but you aren?t in their war room. You have no idea

What I do know for fact is that word has spread like crazy over the weekend that they love Sharpe. Made it all the way to two EC teams. Now, maybe they are doing it to entice a trade. Maybe it is real. I won?t pretend like I know for sure

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Alpha?...lol what?

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Originally Posted by PleaseWinPels

Alpha?...lol what?

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To be extra assertive and definitive with no wiggle room, could be considered 'alpha' traits

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Have discussed this for weeks. He is doing nothing different than any other prospect is doing, you guys are just hearing about it more. He actually has competed in more multi prospect workouts and visited more places than a lot of guys that you all think have great character. He just didnt agree to work out for your favorite team and therefore there are red flags. Worked out more places than Ivey or Murray. Competed in more workouts than Mathurin.

He didnt play last year, so he sticks out in a weird way. People have almost no tape or intel on him so they nitpick even more out of fear, dissect every quote while not even watching any post workout interviews of other guys. How many Mathurin post workout interviews you all watch? None? Exactly.

Kid is an other wordly talent, and I wont pretend to know the other stuff. Good or bad, I wont pretend. Others are fine pretending they know, I will say I dont and leave that up to the execs who have the resources to meet with him and do background checks

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Fine. But I'm basing this on the fact that he comes across in interviews as a complete moron. The dude can barely speak. He seems very low IQ. I want smart players like Trey, CJ, Nance, Hart. Not some mumble mouthed moron like AD.

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Fine. But I'm basing this on the fact that he comes across in interviews as a complete moron. The dude can barely speak. He seems very low IQ. I want smart players like Trey, CJ, Nance, Hart. Not some mumble mouthed moron like AD.

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This ain't it

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

This ain't it

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What aint it?

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Fine. But I'm basing this on the fact that he comes across in interviews as a complete moron. The dude can barely speak. He seems very low IQ. I want smart players like Trey, CJ, Nance, Hart. Not some mumble mouthed moron like AD.

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Dude it's Basketball, not an eloquence competition

AD recorded some of the best advanced metrics of all time, largely when he was with us

We hate Toni because of how he left, but don't forget how much we used to also love him when he was bought in, catching bodies left right and centre with the Pelicans. He really did give it all for the franchise, once upon a time

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

What aint it?

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Your post

Sharpe just seems king of like BI. He's super quiet. Apparently just likes to be in the gym and play basketball and otherwise not very outspoken. There's nothing wrong with that, and it certainly doesn't make you a moron. I'd assume a majority of the people on a Pelicans message board are introverted

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Fine. But I'm basing this on the fact that he comes across in interviews as a complete moron. The dude can barely speak. He seems very low IQ. I want smart players like Trey, CJ, Nance, Hart. Not some mumble mouthed moron like AD.

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It is possible to be smart and not speak well. You know nothing about Sharpe's life. He's 19. Chill.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I irrationally love Jaylen Nowell. Probably the most random guy I like in the league. That said, I think a fair trade would look something like Beasley for Jax and Graham. Would love to throw Temple in too

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Does Beasley fit the culture the Pels are trying to maintain? Nice sparkplug off the bench.

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Originally Posted by Upper Decker

It is possible to be smart and not speak well. You know nothing about Sharpe's life. He's 19. Chill.

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Ok fine, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He not only can't speak intelligently, what he says is bat******** insane and or dumb.

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Originally Posted by Upper Decker

It is possible to be smart and not speak well. You know nothing about Sharpe's life. He's 19. Chill.

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Most personal attacks include a fair dose of projection

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Ok fine, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He not only can't speak intelligently, what he says is bat******** insane and or dumb.

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If you're gonna take the time to slander him, at least provide evidence

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Be very careful of saying ?no way? this time of year. I know it is more alpha to make definitive claims, but you aren?t in their war room. You have no idea

What I do know for fact is that word has spread like crazy over the weekend that they love Sharpe. Made it all the way to two EC teams. Now, maybe they are doing it to entice a trade. Maybe it is real. I won?t pretend like I know for sure

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Yea I agree everything we're hearing know has an equal chance to be BS. I think Portland is begging for a team to make them an offer they can't refuse. So if Sharpe is the bait, you have to make teams believe that you're willing to call their bluff and draft him.

I won't lie, if it comes down to Daniels and Sochan, I'll be bummed if we don't take Sochan, but I'd at least understand it. I like Sochan's game a lot better, but Sochan doesn't really have one particular trait that truly stands out, other than his defensive iq seems really advanced for a guy his age. His athleticism isn't elite nor is his wingspan which might limit his effectiveness against NBA players.

There is a lot I don't like about Daniels, some of it is potentially fixable once he puts on muscle, some like his mediocre first step and overall speed probably isn't. His shooting is meh which concerns me if he doesn't have a quick first step.

But, I have to admit his length and lateral movement are really special, something that is this hard to find, I guess makes it possible for me to look past my other problems with him.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

If you're gonna take the time to slander him, at least provide evidence

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Example 1. ?I see myself being one of the greatest players to ever play the game of basketball,? Sharpe said, per the Indy Star. ?Just playing at the highest level, just really getting after it and competing. One of my goals coming in as a rookie is just win Rookie of the Year. That?s one of the goals and then also All-Star and later on Hall of Fame.?

LOL

Example 2: https://twitter.com/RomeovilleKid/st...22026890670080
Example 3: https://twitter.com/Cats_Coverage/st...67512741777411
Example 3: https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/...Cgmdzv8dcqAAAA

So this dude says that not playing at all in college is the same as playing. He's gonna give his teammates a little shine. And he's the going to be one of the best ever.

Yeah, nothing to see here. Typical genius that's misunderstood.

This dude is like a Klutch informercial.

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Ok fine, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He not only can't speak intelligently, what he says is bat******** insane and or dumb.

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Don't know if I would go as far as you have... but his interviews so far have been.... not great.

Particularly the Sacramento and Indiana interviews. Then again im not sure how much of that is him being just a young lad uncomfortable around cameras.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I irrationally love Jaylen Nowell. Probably the most random guy I like in the league. That said, I think a fair trade would look something like Beasley for Jax and Graham. Would love to throw Temple in too

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Vanderbilt??

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Originally Posted by AusPel

If you're gonna take the time to slander him, at least provide evidence

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You could go watch his interviews, for one. They aren't great.

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Originally Posted by PleaseWinPels

Don't know if I would go as far as you have... but his interviews so far have been.... not great.

Particularly the Sacramento and Indiana interviews. Then again im not sure how much of that is him being just a young lad uncomfortable around cameras.

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There' just too much smoke around this dude.

Bad interviews, bad workouts, questionable handlers, weird circumstances surrounding his time at KY. It just all smells fishy to me. He's either very dumb, very immature or at a minimum being manipulated by moron handlers.

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Originally Posted by ULsaint

Example 1. ?I see myself being one of the greatest players to ever play the game of basketball,? Sharpe said, per the Indy Star. ?Just playing at the highest level, just really getting after it and competing. One of my goals coming in as a rookie is just win Rookie of the Year. That?s one of the goals and then also All-Star and later on Hall of Fame.?

LOL

Example 2: https://twitter.com/RomeovilleKid/st...22026890670080
Example 3: https://twitter.com/Cats_Coverage/st...67512741777411
Example 3: https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/...Cgmdzv8dcqAAAA

So this dude says that not playing at all in college is the same as playing. He's gonna give his teammates a little shine. And he's the going to be one of the best ever.

Yeah, nothing to see here. Typical genius that's misunderstood.

This dude is like a Klutch informercial.

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I think there's a little confirmation bias in play here for you

Not to say he doesn't sound more than a smidgen arrogant, but that can work both ways in equal measures.

The dude is 18. His development could literally go to the Stars, or the opposite

Home run swing. You gotta take it, especially if you're playing with house money like we are

Chet Holmgren said he's going to be the best player in the NBA the night he's drafted, but for some reason people don't call him a moron

I think Anthony Edwards also said he wanted to be the best player in the NBA when he was drafted.

These guys actually do have all world talent, it's the program that makes the difference

Having said that, there's virtually no basket case franchises left now, barring Sacramento

That's why the talent across the league is 10 times what it was 30 years ago

Finally returning to the boards as the draft draws ever nearer. Sadly haven't done nearly as much draft stuff this year as in the last few but I'm still pretty hyped. Got some guys I really like, some guys I'm optimistic about, and some hot takes - as seems to often be the case - so it'll be fun to see how it all pans out.

Still in Chet at #1, followed by Paolo and Ivey with Smith at 4. Got Duren, Griffin, Sharpe, Daniels, Eason, Murray rounding out the top ten, probably roughly in that order though it does depend a bit based on the team doing the drafting (not for fit, but projections for development arc). Maturin, Sochan, Davis, Dieng all in that next group after that.

I guess my hot take there is that I like Eason a lot more than some of the voices I've seen on Twitter do - I think Shamit is fully sold on Dieng top 10 and Eason considerably lower, for example.

Will be fun to see what happens.