2012 - 2013 Finals

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Originally Posted by Hornetsfan41

Win or lose in game 7, Miami has done something I thought it was impossible to do : Building a worst fanbase than the Lakers
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They continue to give themselves a worse name than the Lakers fans, and in such a short amount of time.

Just a bunch of mouth breathers.

First off, Turnboli getting hammered in the paint should of been foul with 2 shots to seal the dang game, second before that even happened Turnboli should of called a freaking timeout and got Duncan on the darn floor for the last play of the freaking game. Spurs will have a rough time winning game seven, they left it all out there and you could see it.

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Originally Posted by 50_Hornet

First off, Turnboli getting hammered in the paint should of been foul with 2 shots to seal the dang game, second before that even happened Turnboli should of called a freaking timeout and got Duncan on the darn floor for the last play of the freaking game. Spurs will have a rough time winning game seven, they left it all out there and you could see it.

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But he also took like 18 steps before he got fouled.

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Originally Posted by 50_Hornet

First off, Turnboli getting hammered in the paint should of been foul with 2 shots to seal the dang game, second before that even happened Turnboli should of called a freaking timeout and got Duncan on the darn floor for the last play of the freaking game. Spurs will have a rough time winning game seven, they left it all out there and you could see it.

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It was way more than that. 8 TOs, missed a FT late in regulation that would have kept the game out of reach (so did Leonard)... just horrible.

I'm not convinced Allen fouled Manu now. Looking at the replay, Allen got the ball first and later made contact. Can't say definitively that was a foul. Plus, Manu clearly traveled on that play.

I would bet heavily on the Heat to pull out Game 7.

I don't understand how people say that's a travel when Lebron, Tony Parker, Wade, and other players do the same step all the time and never get called for it. They get calls when they do it but Gino didn't in this case. Still doesn't mean anything, like I said, Spurs gave the game away.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I would bet heavily on the Heat to pull out Game 7.

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Spurs won game 1,3,5,

Miami has not won back to back since Chicago series.

Pop is really good in these situations.


I think Spurs will find a way to win.

YEah, I think the Heat cool down next game. The Heat shooters were hot last night while Spurs shooters were cold. Gino was horrible and with that being said, the Spurs still were in position to win. I don't see the Heat being as hot next game, Lebron will do good because historically, he has showed up for game 7's, but I think the Spurs get back on track while Bosh will have a mediocre game and Wade will struggle. Green and Neal will get back to form and light it up.

Spurs: 96-87

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I'm not convinced Allen fouled Manu now. Looking at the replay, Allen got the ball first and later made contact. Can't say definitively that was a foul. Plus, Manu clearly traveled on that play.

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When u reach in to strip the ball and in the process rake the arms of the ball handler. It is a foul point blank. Doesn't matter that he got all ball at first. Which he clearly did but he clearly fouled Manu in the act of shooting. Should have been 2 fts and who knows if he even makes both or even none. Either wouldn't have shocked me. I also disagree with you on the 3 by green. Green was fading away n to the side out of bounds. Bosh jumped into him and banged him very hard with his body. Got all ball n pretty much palmed it. I'm on the fence with that no call. I don't agree with all that bs talk about if it was the first 46 min of the game then that's called but not there. That's just flat out stupid IMO. A foul is a foul and should be called at any time in any game. If that's the case then the team on defense in these kind if moment know they can foul the shooter and as long as they don't punch them in the head. More than likely refs won't call it cause of the "moment". I was so disappointed with Popovich in this game man. He really out thought himself in the 4th quarter. Duncan should have never came out the game first of all with bosh on the floor. I don't think miami gets both orbs in those spots with Duncan on the floor. Also, Manu should not have been on the floor down the stretch. He hurt his team time after time. I mean this due had 8 TURNOVERS!!!!! 8??? My goodness. Parker,Leonard,green,Diaw,Duncan should have been the lineup to finish the game. The spurs went all in for this win playing Parker and Duncan 42 and 44 min. This game 7 is going to be a tough game to pull out. I think they get it done tho.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

When u reach in to strip the ball and in the process rake the arms of the ball handler. It is a foul point blank. Doesn't matter that he got all ball at first. Which he clearly did but he clearly fouled Manu in the act of shooting. Should have been 2 fts and who knows if he even makes both or even none. Either wouldn't have shocked me. I also disagree with you on the 3 by green. Green fading away n to the side out of bounds. Bosh jumped into him and banged him very hard with his body. Got all ball n pretty much palmed it. I'm on the fence with that no call. I don't agree with all that bs talk about if it was the first 46 min of the game then that's called but not there. That's just flat out stupid IMO. A foul is a foul and should be called at any time in any game. If that's the case then the team on defense in these kind if moment know they can foul the shooter and as long as they don't punch them in the head. More than likely refs won't call it cause of the "moment". I was so disappointed with Popovich in this game man. He really out thought himself in the 4th quarter. Duncan should have never came out the game first of all with bosh on the floor. I don't think miami gets both orbs in those spots with Duncan on the floor. Also, Manu should not have been on the floor down the stretch. He hurt his team time after time. I mean this due had 8 TURNOVERS!!!!! 8??? My goodness. Parker,Leonard,green,Diaw,Duncan should have been the lineup to finish the game. The spurs went all in for this win playing Parker and Duncan 42 and 44 min. This game 7 is going to be a tough game to pull out. I think they get it done tho.

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This.

So much Spurs homerism on this thread.

Manu clearly traveled and the no-call on the Manu strip was a 50-50 call. Like it or not, those types of plays are rarely called in last-minute situations.

Same goes for the Bosh block. It looked pretty clean to me. Still think he got all ball.

The game was very well officiated other than that BS call on LeBron when Parker flopped in the post.

I disagree, but I could be wrong. I don't think any official at real time could clearly see that was a foul at that point in the game, especially the block. But if the ball is hit first, then body contact or other kind of contact usually doesn't matter when making a call. If the defender cleanly gets the ball first, then the refs will not call any contact afterwards especially if its not clearly blatant which it wasn't in either case. I couldn't tell watching it live that it was a foul on both plays and if the ref didn't clearly see it, then he did the right thing not blowing the whistle. Plus, I don't think either plays were definitive fouls.

He not only travelled, but he drove into 3 guys. i'm all gopod with that not being called. It was a dumb play; in fact, that whole series was terrible. Spurs cost themselves this.

Also, history and stats are clearly against the Spurs in Game 7. Losing a game that close or choking it away like the road team did in a Game 6 knocks all energy away from that team and the home team runs away in Game 7. If I had to bet on anything, I see the Heat winning fairly easily in Game 7 at home. It will take a lot to get the Spurs mentally and physically ready. They don't have much time either to recover.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

He not only travelled, but he drove into 3 guys. i'm all gopod with that not being called. It was a dumb play; in fact, that whole series was terrible. Spurs cost themselves this.

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That's important to talk about as well. He recklessly drove into the lane against 3 guys, ball got hit, contact occurred, and Manu clearly flailed to try and draw a call which is what he usually does.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

So much Spurs homerism on this thread.

Manu clearly traveled and the no-call on the Manu strip was a 50-50 call. Like it or not, those types of plays are rarely called in last-minute situations.

Same goes for the Bosh block. It looked pretty clean to me. Still think he got all ball.

The game was very well officiated other than that BS call on LeBron when Parker flopped in the post.

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Lebron also clearly traveled right before this play when he got the turnover and drove to the goal and green stopped him at the goal. Same exact thing. That wasn't called either. All these guys travel like that all the time. That's nothing. It's done by all these guys from both sides n it's never called. So it's a non issue when discussing the foul. Yea bosh got all ball. That doesn't mean it's not a foul. Bosh banged green hard in the body on the shot attempt. Bosh jumped into him while he was fading off to the side. Body contact is a foul. Especially on a 3 pt attempt.

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looks like 2 blown calls to me but I am no NBA ref.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Also, history and stats are clearly against the Spurs in Game 7. Losing a game that close or choking it away like the road team did in a Game 6 knocks all energy away from that team and the home team runs away in Game 7. If I had to bet on anything, I see the Heat winning fairly easily in Game 7 at home. It will take a lot to get the Spurs mentally and physically ready. They don't have much time either to recover.

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Yea I don't care too much for history and stats to represent the present game. Means nothing for the outcome if this next game. Only history and past things I look at are the past games in this series. Heat haven't won a back to back in the series. The mental part is the last thing I'd be worried about for the spurs. These guys are just fine mentally. If anything I'd bet ginobli has a big game in game 7. He's a fierce competitor and hope he can. I'd be more worried about the physical part of the game for th spurs. Cause they went all in for the win in this one. I don't disagree it might have a been a tough call to see for the refs on ginoblis drive but to me a foul is a foul. Doesn't matter if it was a horrible decision to drive right thru the teeth if the defense. If he's fouled then it's a foul. If u can watch the last shot by green. Please do and watch it in real time. Bosh nails him with his body. I don't blame the loss on the refs or nothing tho. Lol. Ginoblis missed fts and turnovers down the stretch cost them this game. Also Popovich taking out Duncan cost then the game as well. I think the spurs are truly the better team tho and get it done.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

So much Spurs homerism on this thread.

Manu clearly traveled and the no-call on the Manu strip was a 50-50 call. Like it or not, those types of plays are rarely called in last-minute situations.

Same goes for the Bosh block. It looked pretty clean to me. Still think he got all ball.

The game was very well officiated other than that BS call on LeBron when Parker flopped in the post.

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You're the first person that has said that! #rigged, David Stern, Tim Donaghy all trending all through the night.

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looks like 2 blown calls to me but I am no NBA ref.

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To be honest, I'd probably not call the foul on Bosh at the end. But I definitely would've called the one on Ginobli.

I still don't get it, when Manu does it, it's a travel and that's why it didn't get called. When Lebron does it, "Lebron gets fouled everytime he goes to the whole" when IN FACT most of Lebron drives involves him catapulting himself into a crowd of people and coming away with a call. I didn't see anything different on the Manu drive. Heck, I could see that was a foul just by watching the TV in real time. I agree on the bosh block, that was hard to call and I at the time I couldn't tell if it was a foul or not, but that Manu drive was definitely a call. Even if he hit the ball first, does that give the defender the right to go for his arms? And you guys are so focused on Allen, it was 2 other guys that hammered Manu before Allen even touched him.

I'm not Spurs homer, but I'm not going to sit here and act like the Manu call was right when Lebron and Wade gets calls like that all season. They swallowed their whistles, at least admit that. We know it was a 3 step drive, it's NBA, WHO DOESN'T DO THAT!? What we are debating is if it was a foul on drive or not. We all know the Bosh play was a 50-50, but the MAnu drive was CLEARLY, i mean CLEARLY a hack.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

You're the first person that has said that! #rigged, David Stern, Tim Donaghy all trending all through the night.

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When I say that the game was evenly officiated, I mean that the officiating was crap on both sides. The final 2 minutes of the game is another story.

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Green should have been at the line. I don't care what point of the game it was. NBA refs are consistently inconsistent. The ref had a perfect view.

This is the 2nd game this Finals that Pop's insistence on playing Manu might have indeed cost them the game. No reason to keep playing him last night with how poor he was playing.