2022-23 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Are. You. Ok. With. Playing. The. Hypothetical. Game.

Or. do. I. need. to. slow. it. down. for. you. a. bit. more.

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You should get banned for that!
Insulting, taunting, can you keep up with my superior intellect posts are unacceptable.
Plus, no one posts here just to entertain you, and no one is required to play games with you!

Anyone know based on CBA rules what’s the lowest percentage decrease we can get on a CJ McCollum extension. I’m pretty sure he can get a 5% raise per season, but does it work in the inverse as well?

I guess the question is whether, in comparison to what we have now, it would have been better to have Lauri at 4/$67m

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Any word on what year the 1st would have been? The ability to retain Josh Hart ended up being crucial, as were the optics around Josh Hart?s complete 180 on how he felt about the organizational culture

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I always assumed it was one of the ones that went to Vooch trade. That became Franz Wagner.

Bulls seemed to prioritize getting Vuc over getting Lonzo.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Let?s just leave it at, if the FO had bent over backwards in order to accommodate Lonzo to get him to stay here, from a human standpoint they wouldn?t turn around and trade him 6 months later.

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leaving it be is probably the way but...did he demand to be primary ballhandler/PG ? lmao

I always thought maybe the Bulls just flatout lied to him because all that talk about him being 'the point guard' in press and stuff fizzled out into him being a ballboy for Demar/Zach/Vooch :hihi:

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Are. You. Ok. With. Playing. The. Hypothetical. Game.

Or. do. I. need. to. slow. it. down. for. you. a. bit. more.

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Well someone is in their feelings today.

You get that upset when people don't respond to you?

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Well someone is in their feelings today.

You get that upset when people don't respond to you?

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How do you expect him to respond to this? Why instigate?

Jax, Graham, and Temple for Bojan and Vanderbilt. What kind of draft compensation would you be willing to include.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Jax, Graham, and Temple for Bojan and Vanderbilt. What kind of draft compensation would you be willing to include.

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A fake 1st. Top 20 protected or something like that

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Jax, Graham, and Temple for Bojan and Vanderbilt. What kind of draft compensation would you be willing to include.

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I can’t do more than two 2nds and cash.

I wouldn’t part with a first round pick moving forward unless it was for a sure fire top 7 rotation player with multiple years on his deal. You gotta save that ammo for when something truly needle moving comes along. And it’s not just the pick, it’s the flexibility. So, you can say “just throw them our 2024 pick” - but now by doing that, you have also lost the ability to trade your 2023 and 2025 picks. Just diminished the war chest significantly, for what?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I can’t do more than two 2nds and cash.

I wouldn’t part with a first round pick moving forward unless it was for a sure fire top 7 rotation player with multiple years on his deal. You gotta save that ammo for when something truly needle moving comes along. And it’s not just the pick, it’s the flexibility. So, you can say “just throw them our 2024 pick” - but now by doing that, you have also lost the ability to trade your 2023 and 2025 picks. Just diminished the war chest significantly, for what?

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That's where I'm at. Vandy and Bojan are significant upgrades for this season, but you lose Bojan after this season and would have to work on an extension for Vandy. Plus, Vandy's contact isn't really helpful as an aggregate piece in a bigger move next season because he's only at 4 mil.

It would make for a super fun team this season and one that could compete in the West with health luck, but it's a bit short sighted for the Pels long term goals if you're giving up any sort of first round compensation.

Apparently, Kevin Durant doesn’t want to be a pelican

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketb...ans/600518?amp

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

Apparently, Kevin Durant doesn’t want to be a pelican

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketb...ans/600518?amp

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No. It says "Michael Scotto of HoopsHype reported this week that some rival executives believe that Durant does not want to be traded to New Orleans."

Rival executives believe....

Lonzo injury update. Possibly dodged a bullet moving him

I maintain that there has not been an encouraging Lonzo injury update since he went down on Jan. 14. This is certainly isn't it. https://t.co/5VdjPPdygB

— Ricky O'Donnell (@SBN_Ricky) July 12, 2022

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Lonzo injury update. Possibly dodged a bullet moving him

I maintain that there has not been an encouraging Lonzo injury update since he went down on Jan. 14. This is certainly isn't it. https://t.co/5VdjPPdygB

— Ricky O'Donnell (@SBN_Ricky) July 12, 2022

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No possibly about it.

Glad to be rid of him, his family, agency and his sheer terror at driving the basketball.

I saw that Ayton just signed a max contract with the Pacers, kind of putting the Suns behind the 8ball on what they’re going to do now. Do they match and try to use Ayton as a trade piece?

Ah, nevermind, I just read that they can’t use him for a sign and trade now. It looks like any hope for a Durant to the Suns deal is now kaput.

My hope is that we can keep Durant in the East. Or if he must come to the West come to Golden State.

Now I’m reading that a sign and trade can still be worked because if it’s done before midnight today.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I saw that Ayton just signed a max contract with the Pacers, kind of putting the Suns behind the 8ball on what they’re going to do now. Do they match and try to use Ayton as a trade piece?

Ah, nevermind, I just read that they can’t use him for a sign and trade now. It looks like any hope for a Durant to the Suns deal is now kaput.

My hope is that we can keep Durant in the East. Or if he must come to the West come to Golden State.

Now I’m reading that a sign and trade can still be worked because if it’s done before midnight today.

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Yeah they can still do a sign/trade but Brooklyn is way too unrealistic with their demands for KD. I've settle on the idea that KD and Kyrie will at least begin the season in brooklyn.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I saw that Ayton just signed a max contract with the Pacers, kind of putting the Suns behind the 8ball on what they’re going to do now. Do they match and try to use Ayton as a trade piece?

Ah, nevermind, I just read that they can’t use him for a sign and trade now. It looks like any hope for a Durant to the Suns deal is now kaput.

My hope is that we can keep Durant in the East. Or if he must come to the West come to Golden State.

Now I’m reading that a sign and trade can still be worked because if it’s done before midnight today.

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Don't be fooled. This is what Phx wanted. They wanted a 4 year max with no escalators. They got it.

Ayton has a no trade clause for the next year.

After thinking about Willies comments and the team build, my hot take is that Herb is going to bring the ball up more than any other player and that the Pels are going to want to develop him to be a point guard in an untraditional nature. Teams want to put their worst defender oh Herb. What better way to counteract that than having him initiate and immediately get him involved in the actions, forcing switches for BI and Zion. He has the ball handling ability imo. He doesn’t have to run a complicated offense, he just needs to create the initial mismatch and then run off ball to the open spot

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

After thinking about Willies comments and the team build, my hot take is that Herb is going to bring the ball up more than any other player and that the Pels are going to want to develop him to be a point guard in an untraditional nature. Teams want to put their worst defender oh Herb. What better way to counteract that than having him initiate and immediately get him involved in the actions, forcing switches for BI and Zion. He has the ball handling ability imo. He doesn?t have to run a complicated offense, he just needs to create the initial mismatch and then run off ball to the open spot

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When Josh Primo was injured, Herb was the point guard for Alabama.

However, I do not think he will play that role as a pro. BI is the most skilled passer and playmaker on the team so it'll be he and Zion more than Herb.

I'm more inclined to agree with luckyman here - I do think Herb will get some time on ball but on a team with CJ, Zion, and Ingram (all of whom are superior ballhandlers to Herb, and more of a threat to create for themselves) I would be pretty surprised if he was bringing the ball up ''more than any other player''. I think outside of those 3, speculating that it'll be Herb might be accurate, depending on the Dyson Speed of minutes-getting.

Herb can bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense… I doubt Willie will ask him to run pick and roll with anyone.

Glad this take is hotter than my last. BI has traditionally preferred to start off ball, even in the seasons where he was far superior than the rest of the group. Similarly, CJ has played off ball for the majority of his career. We’ll see if that continues, or if he transitions into more of a playmaker as he ages, as many of us have suspected.

I’m not saying Herb will be a traditional point and run a bunch of PnRs, but it creates a significant advantage if you can get his defender involved in the initial action at the top of the key. Teams are going to load up on rim protectors against that starting unit. Herb initiating would take one of those shot blockers away from the paint.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Glad this take is hotter than my last. BI has traditionally preferred to start off ball, even in the seasons where he was far superior than the rest of the group. Similarly, CJ has played off ball for the majority of his career. We’ll see if that continues, or if he transitions into more of a playmaker as he ages, as many of us have suspected.

I’m not saying Herb will be a traditional point and run a bunch of PnRs, but it creates a significant advantage if you can get his defender involved in the initial action at the top of the key. Teams are going to load up on rim protectors against that starting unit. Herb initiating would take one of those shot blockers away from the paint.

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I'd actually argue that there's a high possibility of it hurting us - to be a legitimate ballhandler, you have to be a threat to score and pass. Herb just isn't that, on a high enough level to be a primary. Putting the ball in his hands at the expense of Zion, Ingram, or CJ - who, yes, can work off ball and should sometimes - is a recipe for a worse offense imo. Defenses will not be even remotely scared of Herb Jones, primary ballhandler, running offense. They'll completely sag off him and dare him to shoot, and he won't draw any doubles which makes the job harder for others; compare that to Ingram drawing a hard double at the elbow, or Zion drawing a triple team in the paint, and see how little impact he would have.

I know your whole point is that he wouldn't be running PnRs and such, and would instead just be there to try and cheat the defense, but nobody is going to come far out of the paint to defend Herb Jones if Zion is stood right there, and if the intent is for him to get someone involved and then just pass, why not just have Zion or Ingram draw the double immediately (probably drawing Herb's defender anyway) and be able to actually do something with it at a higher level?

Daeqwon Plowden is signing an Exhibit 10 deal with the Pelicans, sources tell @TheAthletic.

The former Bowling Green star showed off some impressive athleticism and shot 65 percent from the floor while playing for New Orleans at Summer League.

— Will Guillory (@WillGuillory) July 19, 2022

This locks in the EJ two way, imo. Haven't heard anything new on it one way or the other

I wasn't all that impressed from what I saw from Plowden in SL, not gonna lie. Sure he shot really well from the floor but it's SL, caring about SL percentages is a fools errand, the actual process didn't look all that standout to me.

And he's 24 already :(

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I wasn't all that impressed from what I saw from Plowden in SL, not gonna lie. Sure he shot really well from the floor but it's SL, caring about SL percentages is a fools errand, the actual process didn't look all that standout to me.

And he's 24 already :(

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Nobody who played in those games will amount to anything. But this is the dead time of the year. Its when fans talk themselves into a Plowden or a Butler or whoever else. Let them have that....why you gotta rain on the parade, thats usually my job! lol

Fond memories of Pels fans getting excited about Bluiett, during these dog days of summer

Some guys fans LOVED in past years:

Denzel Bowles
Jon Brockman
Russ Smith
Patric Young
BDJ
Quinn Cook
Trevon Blueitt

Ironically, the two best random guys to ever play for our SL team.... we didnt sign them after they played for us. One, we all know, is Seth Curry. Who can name the other (without cheating). Clue: started 214 games for a playoff team the last 3 years

BDJ actually showed some promise. Would have liked to see how he developed.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Some guys fans LOVED in past years:

Denzel Bowles
Jon Brockman
Russ Smith
Patric Young
BDJ
Quinn Cook
Trevon Blueitt

Ironically, the two best random guys to ever play for our SL team.... we didnt sign them after they played for us. One, we all know, is Seth Curry. Who can name the other (without cheating). Clue: started 214 games for a playoff team the last 3 years

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Royce O'Neale

Bam

And no, I didn't cheat

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Nobody who played in those games will amount to anything. But this is the dead time of the year. Its when fans talk themselves into a Plowden or a Butler or whoever else. Let them have that....why you gotta rain on the parade, thats usually my job! lol

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Yeah but don't get hyped over someone that old! At least pick the weirdo youth prospect, not someone paying off their mortgage.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah but don't get hyped over someone that old! At least pick the weirdo youth prospect, not someone paying off their mortgage.

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I love the hype coming out of summer league, now that I know all fan bases do it. Heard a Knicks pod where they said they wanted Donovan Mitchell, but after seeing what Grimes was capable of in SL, he was untouchable :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah but don't get hyped over someone that old! At least pick the weirdo youth prospect, not someone paying off their mortgage.

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You should watch a few Plowden interviews and you will understand why they chose him

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

You should watch a few Plowden interviews and you will understand why they chose him

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Don't they still have a few more Ex 10 contracts they can give out?

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

You should watch a few Plowden interviews and you will understand why they chose him

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I watch everything that gets posted to the Pelicans YouTube page and/or Twitter, because I have a lot of train rides and therefore a lot of captive 'free' time. I've seen the interviews.

Sorry dae

Will Guillory @WillGuillory 1m

Daeqwon Plowden is signing an Exhibit 10 deal with the Pelicans, sources tell @TheAthletic.

The former Bowling Green star showed off some impressive athleticism and shot 65 percent from the floor while playing for New Orleans at Summer League.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Royce O'Neale

Bam

And no, I didn't cheat

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This actually makes me feel better because I always think he was on our roster at some point but could never pinpoint when that was. So thank you

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Some guys fans LOVED in past years:

Denzel Bowles
Jon Brockman
Russ Smith
Patric Young
BDJ
Quinn Cook
Trevon Blueitt

Ironically, the two best random guys to ever play for our SL team.... we didnt sign them after they played for us. One, we all know, is Seth Curry. Who can name the other (without cheating). Clue: started 214 games for a playoff team the last 3 years

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Don't forget my guy Brian Roberts.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Don't forget my guy Brian Roberts.

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Ha, that's a good one. Didn't realise he played SL for us and we were his first team in the NBA. Could have sworn he was somewhere before us like Memphis

If you ever wondered what would happen if Jonas Valanciunas drew LeBron in charades.... pic.twitter.com/DIlzWKdwZy

— Christian Clark (@cclark_13) July 20, 2022

lmao

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Don't forget my guy Brian Roberts.

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Fun fact I found a few months back: Brian Roberts is 10th all time in single season free throw percentage (min. 125 attempts). He went 125 of 133 (93.98%) from the line in 2013-2014.

Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_season.html

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I wasn't all that impressed from what I saw from Plowden in SL, not gonna lie. Sure he shot really well from the floor but it's SL, caring about SL percentages is a fools errand, the actual process didn't look all that standout to me.

And he's 24 already :(

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I was impressed and no, he isn't an old man. His pre-draft workouts were exceptional and he was a leader on the court. I do hope they give the kid from Florida State a contract of some sort (two way or exhibit 10). Yes he is bone thin but he was doing things guys much shorter than hiim have difficulty doing.

Hope they keep Butler around as well. You can say it's all Summer League hype and none of it translates to the NBA, but just last year we saw two guys on the Pels--Herb and Jose--make a big impact during the season when most had them slotted for the G-League, at most.

Butler is younger and rawer than those two guys, who came after four years of college ball. But to pretend you can say with certainty that he can't be an NBA player at 7' with his skills strikes me as even more hyperbolic. His body isn't ready, but he'd be going into his sophomore season of college next year, so that's hardly surprising. Butler's build reminds me a lot of John Henson who played for UNC and had a long pro career. Henson was well under 200 pounds as a 6'10" college center, but was still a defensive presence and an eventually a first round draft pick. He never really did put on a lot of weight, but he was in the NBA a long time as a valued role player and Butler already shows far more offensive potential than Henson ever did.

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I was impressed and no, he isn't an old man. His pre-draft workouts were exceptional and he was a leader on the court. I do hope they give the kid from Florida State a contract of some sort (two way or exhibit 10). Yes he is bone thin but he was doing things guys much shorter than hiim have difficulty doing.

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I mean, a 24 year old NBA rookie is quite old. There's just no way around that. The rest is up for discussion but he's just undeniably very old for an NBA rookie.

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Originally Posted by new city champ

Hope they keep Butler around as well. You can say it's all Summer League hype and none of it translates to the NBA, but just last year we saw two guys on the Pels--Herb and Jose--make a big impact during the season when most had them slotted for the G-League, at most.

Butler is younger and rawer than those two guys, who came after four years of college ball. But to pretend you can say with certainty that he can't be an NBA player at 7' with his skills strikes me as even more hyperbolic. His body isn't ready, but he'd be going into his sophomore season of college next year, so that's hardly surprising. Butler's build reminds me a lot of John Henson who played for UNC and had a long pro career. Henson was well under 200 pounds as a 6'10" college center, but was still a defensive presence and an eventually a first round draft pick. He never really did put on a lot of weight, but he was in the NBA a long time as a valued role player and Butler already shows far more offensive potential than Henson ever did.

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Totally agree!! In fact, Butler is more 'NBA-ready' than the eighth pick of the 2019 draft was when he was drafted. Basketball IQ Matters!!

Lets see:

Next year that 2019 selection will be asking for an annual salary of eight figures. Next year, Butler will be on a minimum contract and three years younger. Talk about a 'No-Brainer'!!!

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Originally Posted by redrum

Sorry dae

Will Guillory @WillGuillory 1m

Daeqwon Plowden is signing an Exhibit 10 deal with the Pelicans, sources tell @TheAthletic.

The former Bowling Green star showed off some impressive athleticism and shot 65 percent from the floor while playing for New Orleans at Summer League.

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Another Antonio Daniels. They both went to Bowling Green. OK, maybe Plowden didn't get picked 4th in the first round. But still.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If you ever wondered what would happen if Jonas Valanciunas drew LeBron in charades.... pic.twitter.com/DIlzWKdwZy

? Christian Clark (@cclark_13) July 20, 2022

lmao

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That was low he should apologize to Lebron ASAP!

Kidding:hihi:

Val might get another extension if he keeps on doing that

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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

Fun fact I found a few months back: Brian Roberts is 10th all time in single season free throw percentage (min. 125 attempts). He went 125 of 133 (93.98%) from the line in 2013-2014.

Source: https://www.basketball-reference.com...ct_season.html

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This makes me happy. I remember being pumped about him leading the league in FT%. He'll always be one of my favorite random Pels players.

Also side note: Calderon shooting 98% from the line is absolutely BANANAS.