Who should become the first person to be drafted to the pelicans?

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Originally Posted by wuggie

Drummond has crazy potential but his will and basketball instincts aren't really there. Where Shaq had all of this and wanted to destroy people. He just seems to lack a killer will to use his gifts. He has the gifts of superstar but like the mind of bench player or something. It's weird lol

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On top of that, he has absolutely no offensive skill set other than a a put-back dunk. Did he even take a shot outside the lane this year? Never mind his abysmal FT shooting at 36%. Guy looks like Aminu out there, but he is bigger and stronger. They are both freak athletes, but neither will ever have anything offensively, and neither have any resemblance of a basketball I.Q. If you watched Drummond this year, he looked totally lost, just like he did in college. Drummond's ceiling is Camby, IMO. Certainly worth a top pick, but he'll never be in Davis' league. Just doesn't have the skill set, brain, instincts, or killer instinct. He is the big kid who doesn't want to hurt anyone smaller than him.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

On top of that, he has absolutely no offensive skill set other than a a put-back dunk. Did he even take a shot outside the lane this year? Never mind his abysmal FT shooting at 36%. Guy looks like Aminu out there, but he is bigger and stronger. They are both freak athletes, but neither will ever have anything offensively, and neither have any resemblance of a basketball I.Q. If you watched Drummond this year, he looked totally lost, just like he did in college. Drummond's ceiling is Camby, IMO. Certainly worth a top pick, but he'll never be in Davis' league. Just doesn't have the skill set, brain, instincts, or killer instinct. He is the big kid who doesn't want to hurt anyone smaller than him.

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Yeah, basically what I was trying to say lol it sucks though because if he did have those intangibles he could be the next Shaq or Robinson type of player.

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Originally Posted by wuggie

Yeah, basically what I was trying to say lol it sucks though because if he did have those intangibles he could be the next Shaq or Robinson type of player.

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He could still be a very good player in his own right. Elite rebounder, rim protector, runs the floor for a big, good with putbacks. There are skills there, but none to make him a dominant player like DaThrone is trying to make him out to be. Nobody will ever worry about Drummond offensively.

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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just because ur quick doesnt make u good offensively, and i disagree that drummond has better dribbiling skills than davis, and even if he does drummond's FT is enough to say he will not be as good as davis offensively

anyways my new big board goes

mclemore
noel
shabazz
smart
porter

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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You were really starting to come around...

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

You were really starting to come around...

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lmao

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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Uhhh in what way?

Not mid range
Not outer range

Post I guess?

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Uhhh in what way?

Not mid range
Not outer range

Post I guess?

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not even close in the post, davis blows him away, dathrone thinks he is better on O because he can dribble, but hey drummond shoots a nice 35% from the FT line so that helps too.

DAThrone =Drummond brother?

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

DAThrone =Drummond brother?

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dathrone = drummond himself

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

not even close in the post, davis blows him away, dathrone thinks he is better on O because he can dribble, but hey drummond shoots a nice 35% from the FT line so that helps too.

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Both are poor post up players right now, and neither do it very much. Drummond makes just 16.7% of his shots out of the post, Davis just 24.1%.

I'm sorry but i dont remember Drummond being that great of a ball handler? I've never heard guard skills and Drummond in the same sentence, am i just dreaming this up?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

anyways my new big board goes

mclemore
noel
shabazz
smart
porter

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Same here, but I would swap Porter and Smart. Probably not a popular decision, but I still can't buy into the Smart hype.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I'm sorry but i dont remember Drummond being that great of a ball handler? I've never heard guard skills and Drummond in the same sentence, am i just dreaming this up?

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da throne certainly is.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

On top of that, he has absolutely no offensive skill set other than a a put-back dunk. Did he even take a shot outside the lane this year? Never mind his abysmal FT shooting at 36%. Guy looks like Aminu out there, but he is bigger and stronger. They are both freak athletes, but neither will ever have anything offensively, and neither have any resemblance of a basketball I.Q. If you watched Drummond this year, he looked totally lost, just like he did in college. Drummond's ceiling is Camby, IMO. Certainly worth a top pick, but he'll never be in Davis' league. Just doesn't have the skill set, brain, instincts, or killer instinct. He is the big kid who doesn't want to hurt anyone smaller than him.

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I believe he did. The better question might be how many has he MADE outside of the lane this year?

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...layerID=203083

Drummond can dribble, and he can certainly dunk. He has good hands for stealing the ball. I don't know that his 'guard skills' are any better than Davis' though who was actually a guard in the not so distant past.

I think with Drummond its important to note that he's a baby. He should be a freshman in college right now. You'd have to be blind to not see the potential in Drummond. Same with MKG in my opinion.

Davis however is in another stratosphere.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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U can't be serious smdh

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Originally Posted by Primetime

I think with Drummond its important to note that he's a baby. He should be a freshman in college right now. You'd have to be blind to not see the potential in Drummond. Same with MKG in my opinion.

Davis however is in another stratosphere.

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Yes, he definitely has potential. I wouldn't have minded him here, just not over Davis.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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A guy who can't make a jumper and has no shot whatsoever.doesn't even currently posess a post up game.vs a guy who has a silky smooth jumper with above avg handles for a big man and also leads all rookies in double doubles. But he still has more offensive potential?? Please I'd like to hear this insane explanation u have.

Ok after watching this highlight could Bennett play SF? I used to say no but now idk... Watch him steal the ball then cross this guy up and drive to the rim for the thundaaaaa

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=VQ4Ye...%3DVQ4Ye1o6A68

Not defensively but man I'd love to put Bennett with Davis.

Would love to have a fellow canadian like Bennett or Olynyk on this team (maybe Wiggans next year lol) but Marcus Smart is a perfect fit for this team. If not Smart i would take a serious look at Noel than Porter. If neither checks out i would trade back and select Burke.

By the way what happened to Michael Carter Williams?

Ps played basketball in canada, have seen and even played against some of these guys (kevin Pangos pickering team destroyed my prep team when he was a freshman in highschool).
Know what i know... Stay away from Kobongo this year. Never was a fan of his. Pangos and Cory Joseph were always superior prospects to Kobongo). Kelly Olynyk is a beast, has played for team canada since he was 17. Was always considered a SF and now he is C. Super super skilled, one of the most skilled players i have ever seen up close. A do it all player. Imo he is a pf at the next level. I have personally seen Olynyk make 2 other canadians Tristan Thomspon and Andrew nicholson look like trash 4 or 5 years ago. Tristan Thompson went on to be the #4 pick in the nba draft and Nicholson became a first rounder last year.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Not defensively but man I'd love to put Bennett with Davis.

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Ya ur right, dang it that would be awesome

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

Would love to have a fellow canadian like Bennett or Olynyk on this team (maybe Wiggans next year lol) but Marcus Smart is a perfect fit for this team. If not Smart i would take a serious look at Noel than Porter. If neither checks out i would trade back and select Burke.

By the way what happened to Michael Carter Williams?


Ps played basketball in canada, have seen and even played against some of these guys (kevin Pangos pickering team destroyed my prep team when he was a freshman in highschool).
Know what i know... Stay away from Kobongo this year. Never was a fan of his. Pangos and Cory Joseph were always superior prospects to Kobongo). Kelly Olynyk is a beast, has played for team canada since he was 17. Was always considered a SF and now he is C. Super super skilled, one of the most skilled players i have ever seen up close. A do it all player. Imo he is a pf at the next level. I have personally seen Olynyk make 2 other canadians Tristan Thomspon and Andrew nicholson look like trash 4 or 5 years ago. Tristan Thompson went on to be the #4 pick in the nba draft and Nicholson became a first rounder last year.

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Never ever liked mcw, bad d, bad scorer, only good at passing and has elite size, IMO

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Originally Posted by wuggie

I also see a tad bit of Carmelo(as 247's article stated) with his post game and around the rim moves and maybe a lil D West too(personality wise). He just has a potential to be a consistent and potent offensive player that you don't see often anymore.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Drummond has more offensive potential than Davis. His guard like ball skills alone make him more dangerous.

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This post shows me your a troll

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Originally Posted by wuggie

I also see a tad bit of Carmelo(as 247's article stated) with his post game and around the rim moves and maybe a lil D West too(personality wise). He just has a potential to be a consistent and potent offensive player that you don't see often anymore.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

You were really starting to come around...

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He saw UNO trolling for a couple of days, so he came back for his title as top troll

oladipo - 20 - will be 21 in may
smart - 19 - just turned 19 last week
porter - 19 - turns 20 in june
shabazz - 19 - doesnt turn 20 til november
noel - 18 - about to turn 19 in april
mclemore - 21 - holy cow he is older than oladipo
burke - 20 - wont turn 21 until november
Bennett - 20 - just turned 20, 4 days ago

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The way I look at it, the league is becoming a slashing/driving league, the mid range game is dying, all people do it shoot 3's or drive to the basket.
With having AD and Noel you get 2 LONG, athletic, defensive freaks, all u have to do then is get a good point guard who can pass to help the bigs out and the 2 wing positions u put 2 pure scorers, if they get beat they have to make it passed AD and Noel to the rim... Goodluck...
i will say it again find a way to trade for wilson chandler and sign dj augustine and al jefferson

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Al jefferson will be leaving his prime by the time our young guys figure. He may also demand alot of money, buts thats my take.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

oladipo - 20 - will be 21 in may
smart - 19 - just turned 19 last week
porter - 19 - turns 20 in june
shabazz - 19 - doesnt turn 20 til november
noel - 18 - about to turn 19 in april
mclemore - 21 - holy cow he is older than oladipo
burke - 20 - wont turn 21 until november
Bennett - 20 - just turned 20, 4 days ago

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How the heck is Mclemore that old?

I guess i'm the only one not interested in Mclemore. The guy is a slightly taller Kemba Walker with more off the court issues. We need a nucleus-type of guy with high character. Smart is the guy, imo.

Is that supposed to be a joke? Slightly taller? Mclemore is almost 6'5". Kemba is a generous 6'1". And I know nothing of his off the field stuff. Please elaborate.

off the top of my head: Kicked out of Oak Hill Acadamy> Academically ineligible freshman season> Arrested for alcohol posession (could've happened to any of us)> arrested for not showing up at court for alcohol arrest (doesn't happen to normal people).

I have noticed a lot of young players are born in march.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Al jefferson will be leaving his prime by the time our young guys figure. He may also demand alot of money, buts thats my take.

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thats why i want to sign him to a short 3 year deal that way in 2 or 3 years we will have a huge expiring contract to add a great piece to our core.

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Originally Posted by wuggie

I have noticed a lot of young players are born in march.

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Hey! I was born in March!!! (neither young, nor a player) :(

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

How the heck is Mclemore that old?

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He's a red shirt freshman. A lot of people don't know that.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

A guy who can't make a jumper and has no shot whatsoever.doesn't even currently posess a post up game.vs a guy who has a silky smooth jumper with above avg handles for a big man and also leads all rookies in double doubles. But he still has more offensive potential?? Please I'd like to hear this insane explanation u have.

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Can Dwight Howard shoot jumpers? Did Shaq shoot jumpers? Thank you and Drummond has a decent jumper.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

thats why i want to sign him to a short 3 year deal that way in 2 or 3 years we will have a huge expiring contract to add a great piece to our core.

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Expiring contracts aren't worth that much any more. You can use an expiring to pick up a bad contract and draft pick from another team, but that doesn't much help someone who is trying to contend very soon.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

He's a red shirt freshman. A lot of people don't know that.

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since when does failing out and being academically ineligible = red shirt?

I know ya'll know about these guys already because you've watched actual games but...ESPN/Chad Ford just put out a few draft video highlights.

Noel

Porter

Muhammad

Zeller

Bennett

Oladipo

McLemore

Smart

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Originally Posted by Heavy

off the top of my head: Kicked out of Oak Hill Acadamy> Academically ineligible freshman season> Arrested for alcohol posession (could've happened to any of us)> arrested for not showing up at court for alcohol arrest (doesn't happen to normal people).

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Meh. Anything recent? Any developing patterns of immaturity?

^ Thinking these 'character concerns' are similar to Randy Moss's?

Granted these are just highlight videos, but Noel, Bennett, Oladipo, McLemore, and Smart are the ones that looked like they would fit in the NBA very well. And of those, McLemore and Noel look the best.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Can Dwight Howard shoot jumpers? Did Shaq shoot jumpers? Thank you and Drummond has a decent jumper.

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Shaq had post moves, and Howard isn't that scary in the post, but even he has post moves. Drummond has absolutely no post moves whatsoever. And as for his "decent" jumper, he has only made 1 jumper outside the lane this year. You are just being ridiculous. I can appreciate controversial views, but you take it to another level. Anyone who shoots 36% from the FT line can't be taken seriously as a "shooter."

For people saying oladipo doesnt have the lateral quickness or explosion of Dwade... watch the highlight video HunnyB posted up. Dude is a natural slasher with great body strength quickness and explosion, his jumpshot can still improve, he's only 20, younger than mclemore. he just moved up my big board.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Can Dwight Howard shoot jumpers? Did Shaq shoot jumpers? Thank you and Drummond has a decent jumper.

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Just stop trolling. There is nothing "decent" about Drummonds jumper. He's only shooting 22% this year on shots that aren't dunks or layups. He has no offensive game outside of using his athleticism around the rim.

And Dwight Howard shoots between 43-46% inside the paint but outside of the restricted area on his career, Drummond is at just 27%. Anthony Davis is at 45% for comparisons sake.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Meh. Anything recent? Any developing patterns of immaturity?

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meh? not showing up to a court date could be the biggest red-flag there is. Sort of indicates that they don't think the law applies to them...or being above-the-law. Bad news. We have to be careful who we select to grow with AD.... it has to be right.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Shaq had post moves, and Howard isn't that scary in the post, but even he has post moves. Drummond has absolutely no post moves whatsoever. And as for his "decent" jumper, he has only made 1 jumper outside the lane this year. You are just being ridiculous. I can appreciate controversial views, but you take it to another level. Anyone who shoots 36% from the FT line can't be taken seriously as a "shooter."

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The only things Davis does better than Drummond are the mid-range jump shots and the FT shooting. Drummond is as good or better at ever other aspect of basketball.

Sure Drummond post skills are extremely basic, however it's there. He has the quick spin, post hook, and can beat guys off the dribble. This is a young man that should be in college right now. His lateral quickness is the best I've ever seen for any player 6'10 or above. Much like we've seen with Howard being an athletic 5 is often all you need as they develop more skills. Both Drummond and Howard had ball skills with great lateral quickness even if they didn't have post skills. Davis has neither

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The only things Davis does better than Drummond are the mid-range jump shots and the FT shooting. Drummond is as good or better at ever other aspect of basketball.

Sure Drummond post skills are extremely basic, however it's there. He has the quick spin, post hook, and can beat guys off the dribble. This is a young man that should be in college right now. His lateral quickness is the best I've ever seen for any player 6'10 or above. Much like we've seen with Howard being an athletic 5 is often all you need as they develop more skills. Both Drummond and Howard had ball skills with great lateral quickness even if they didn't have post skills. Davis has neither

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Only had to read one sentence before I came up on the first thing you were wrong in.

Anthony Davis shoots 71% at the rim, Drummond shoots 67% at the rim.

Anthony Davis converts on 91% of his dunks, Drummond converts on 90% of his dunks.

Anthony Davis converts 52% of his layups, Drummond converts 49% of his layups.

Anthony Davis has gotten his shot blocked every 17 attempts, Andre Drummond gets his shot blocked every 15 attempts.

Anthony Davis converts a and one on 6% of his shots, Andre Drummond converts a and one on 3% of his shots.

Do I have to keep going? Keep in mind that Drummond has 50lbs on Davis as well.

And last but not least, since you mentioned how Drummond has a hook. Anthony Davis shoots 55% on his hook shots, Drummond shots 11% (yes 11%). That's some hook shot he has there...