Free Agency Thread

Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3

— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Don't talk about things you clearly don't have a clue about then?

You made a ridiculous statement(Hill is exponentially better then Ingles defensively) and then preceded to quote me(after calling out someone else) with a smarmy comment and a false assertion with a smug attitude. You get treated the way you treat others. Had you been a bit more dignified in your response, I wouldn't of directly called your knowledge of Ingles ignorant. But it is. And I showed you why.

It is you that needs to get over yourself. A person that thinks they have standing to call out two posters who have actually looked at these players objectively, who provided you fact-based evidence to support it, and then have the audacity to tell us to shut up. The problem with the internet is that it is hard to keep a lie going if someone is committed to finding out the truth.

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You think quite highly of yourself. Get back with me when Ingles guards Carmelo,LeBron etc. Hill is so much the better athlete than Ingles. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself. Anyway- you should try to have a conversation instead of spending all of your time trying to prove that you are right and all others that disagree are wrong. We see the same guy & come to different conclusions. if it means that much to you to be RIGHT, instead of realizing that a differing opinion is just that. BTW- using a play from your playbook. Don't speak of what you don't know- I have an abundance of knowledge regarding basketball. At the same time,Just because I disagreed w/ your opinion doesn't mean that I think you don't know what you are talking about. I just don't agree with it. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by MG3n2K9

Ingles is only worth the money if his relationship & shared agent brings Gordan Heyward back to Utah. Otherwise, big overpay.

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How is it an overpay? Did you watch the Jazz play? Sure his relationship with Hayward is important, but any team would have paid Ingles that much money, Ingles' loyalty to the Jazz, and his play in the system are what is keeping him in Utah.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3

— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017

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Wow!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3

— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017

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Call me crazy, but that is a move of desperation.

Either way. The Wizards will match the hell out of it.


...and I secretly, but out loud, feel a surge of vindication that Otto Porter became a max worthy player after all.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Wise on them to keep it to three years. Especially if they keep a player option on that third year.

Frankly if we had done something more like that I would be much less frustrated with the Jrue deal. 25 million over three-four years with a player option. Putting the contracts end date right at the moment you could have some flexibility with your sell to Davis as he enters FA and all the albatross contracts come off the books.

Oh well, Demps is gonna Demps.

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Are you seriously going to sit here and try to flip Lowry getting 33.3m/yr as Dell screwing up Jrue's deal?

Gtfo with that nonsense. Jrue will be paid ~98m over 4 years then he will have a player option for his last year, which he might or might not opt into. Lowry just got 100m over 3.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

Teams will meet w/Otto Porter in D.C. starting tomorrow. Max sheet likely to follow early in week; Wizards would then have 48 hrs to match.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) July 1, 2017

Nets, Kings among likeliest teams to aggressively court Porter. Wizards have indicated they’ll match any offer sheet up to/including max.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) July 1, 2017

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

One of the least intriguing storylines. They'll match whatever he's offered, no doubt (which will be a max).

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3

— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017

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It was always coming. And the Wizards were always going to match. The only question was which team was going to offer it.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

How is it an overpay? Did you watch the Jazz play? Sure his relationship with Hayward is important, but any team would have paid Ingles that much money, Ingles' loyalty to the Jazz, and his play in the system are what is keeping him in Utah.

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Part time unathletic player who will be 33 when he enters the last year of his contract. 3yr 30-35 million should've been his max offer.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Kings Offer Otto Porter Four-Year, $106M Max Contract: https://t.co/MrTyR1P1Si pic.twitter.com/5oPqqzw3V3

— RealGM (@RealGM) July 2, 2017

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If somebody wants Bojan Bogdanovic now would be an optimal time to give him an offer.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

It was always coming. And the Wizards were always going to match. The only question was which team was going to offer it.

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Works out better for Wizards as there is no 5th year (only they could offer that) and the annual raises the Kings could offer are lower than Wizards could have. So, effectively, it is a "discounted" max contract for the Wizards.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Are you seriously going to sit here and try to flip Lowry getting 33.3m/yr as Dell screwing up Jrue's deal?

Gtfo with that nonsense. Jrue will be paid ~98m over 4 years then he will have a player option for his last year, which he might or might not opt into. Lowry just got 100m over 3.

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Mythrol- Bronco is about to hit you with "Don't talk about something you obviously don't know anything about" That's his GoTo ! Wait for it!

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Originally Posted by MG3n2K9

If somebody wants Bojan Bogdanovic now would be an optimal time to give him an offer.

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And someone likely will. He is a great shooter.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

You think quite highly of yourself. Get back with me when Ingles guards Carmelo,LeBron etc. Hill is so much the better athlete than Ingles. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself. Anyway- you should try to have a conversation instead of spending all of your time trying to prove that you are right and all others that disagree are wrong. We see the same guy & come to different conclusions. if it means that much to you to be RIGHT, instead of realizing that a differing opinion is just that. BTW- using a play from your playbook. Don't speak of what you don't know- I have an abundance of knowledge regarding basketball. At the same time,Just because I disagreed w/ your opinion doesn't mean that I think you don't know what you are talking about. I just don't agree with it. Get over it.

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If athlete = great defender, Julian Wright would of been better then Bruce Bowen.

Klay Thompson would be chump change defensively compared to James Harden. But athleticism is rarely the strongest indicator of defensive prowess. The ability requires physical tools, absolutely, but once the baseline is met the non-physical things seem to be much more important. Look at the CP3's, Beverly's, Allen's, and Green's of the NBA. You would never call them the physical freaks of their class but they are elite defenders.

I get the sense you may be projecting a bit with these insults? Quoting people that were innocently answering a person's question with condescending comments toward them, then telling people to stop acting like it appears you are in fact acting.

Listen, look around, you are the only one that is denying Ingles as an above average defender. Is it just everyone else are a bunch of pretentious jerks, or is it maybe because it is the current consensus that people are thinking this? Why it is the numbers and analysis all back this up?

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Mythrol- Bronco is about to hit you with "Don't talk about something you obviously don't know anything about" That's his GoTo ! Wait for it!

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Honestly the only person I ever expected to try to turn Lowry's deal into a Pelicans screw up was Buckwheat.

Could you imagine the meltdown that would have happened if Jrue signed a 3yr/100m deal?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Are you seriously going to sit here and try to flip Lowry getting 33.3m/yr as Dell screwing up Jrue's deal?

Gtfo with that nonsense. Jrue will be paid ~98m over 4 years then he will have a player option for his last year, which he might or might not opt into. Lowry just got 100m over 3.

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I think Dell screwed up Jrue's deal independently of anything the Raptors did, but the Lowry deal does illustrate to me further issues I hadn't though of til this provoked it.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

And someone likely will. He is a great shooter.

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Speaking of shooters, what exactly are we targeting? Are we using Jrue as our sharpshooter & priority PG? Is priority a Combo that can shoot the 3. Is our Priority a 3 or stretch 4 that can shoot the 3. Are we looking for a CJ Miles type first, a PG first, a Stretch 4 first? What in the twilight direction are we going?

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Originally Posted by MG3n2K9

Part time unathletic player who will be 33 when he enters the last year of his contract. 3yr 30-35 million should've been his max offer.

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He will be 32, and being athletic helps when playing defense, but it's not the only thing that makes you an impact defender. Ingles is a solid defender, and he is a great fit in that system. His contract is similar to Jrue's ($11m- year 1, $12m- year 2, $13m- year 3, $14m year 4). Smart deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/joe-ingles-15852/

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

He will be 32, and being athletic helps when playing defense, but it's not the only thing that makes you an impact defender. Ingles is a solid defender, and he is a great fit in that system. His contract is similar to Jrue's ($11m- year 1, $12m- year 2, $13m- year 3, $14m year 4). Smart deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/joe-ingles-15852/

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His birthday will put him at 33 before the start of his 4th season, maybe he stays viable ala Kyle Korver but I'm sticking to my 3yr 30-35 million. Some people really hated the move.

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Jazz re-sign Joe Ingles (4 years, $52 million): KAHN!!! Grade
This is the worst signing of the NBA offseason thus far. The Jazz could've offered Joe Ingles half as much, and it still wouldn't have been a good acquisition. That's how awful this move is.

Ingles is usually a backup, but he saw more action last year in the wake of injuries. He had some nice moments, but giving him $13 million per year is absurd. Plus, it's not like he's a young player who has the potential to improve. He turns 30 in October, so his skills will erode by the end of this contract. This signing is easily worth a Kahn.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nbafreeage...BaEEPLvrJd.99]

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Well, it's walterfootball commenting on basketball free agency. I don't go to Taco Bell looking for Authentic Italian food...or Mexican food.

Walter football is a fun read, but it's just that, it's hardly insightful, and even less correct.

The link I provided shows that Ingles will be a free agent when he hits 33.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I think Dell screwed up Jrue's deal independently of anything the Raptors did, but the Lowry deal does illustrate to me further issues I hadn't though of til this provoked it.

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You're full of it and you know it. Jrue was never accepting a 3yr deal.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Speaking of shooters, what exactly are we targeting? Are we using Jrue as our sharpshooter & priority PG? Is priority a Combo that can shoot the 3. Is our Priority a 3 or stretch 4 that can shoot the 3. Are we looking for a CJ Miles type first, a PG first, a Stretch 4 first? What in the twilight direction are we going?

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A combo guard. It's been clear from the beginning. Look at what players we've been linked to.

Young, Collison, Justin Holiday, Meeks. All combo guards or straight up shooters.

Random dude on Walter Football that clearly doesnt even understand a lot of the teams he is commenting on isn't exactly a major indictment.

Almost every contract after the true superstars is an overpay based on talent or performance alone, its the matter of degrees and larger context that separates teams IMO.

Ingles doesn't really cause any harm for the Jazz's flexibility. Shooting and passing have a long shelf life and his style of savvy and physical defense has a fairly long shelf life as well. Barring major injuries he is the type of player you can move when needed.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You're full of it and you know it. Jrue was never accepting a 3yr deal.

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4 years is more my sticking point, since that is the alignment of our cap that is so critical going into Davis's final year and needing to have the room to make the most optimal sell to him. And maybe that wouldn't get it done, but I am also of the mind of letting him walk is not the worst thing if we couldn't come to more amiable terms. So you are going to struggle convincing me on any big deal that is max in length. But looking at what the other players got in this class:

http://i.imgur.com/rk48lrB.png?1

It seems reasonable that his market value could of been negotiated to that 4 year range. If we were more willing to play hardball. But like with Asik, Demps tends to lean on estimating the market value and beating it to avoid the risk of flight, over letting the market set it and playing the waiting game.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A combo guard. It's been clear from the beginning. Look at what players we've been linked to.

Young, Collison, Justin Holiday, Meeks. All combo guards or straight up shooters.

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So, we would have Jrue starting at the #2 & Solo #3? Our Top priority is their Back-Up ?