Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

My guess is Pierre and cash to the Heat for late round first. Then trade that 1st along with Ryan Anderson to Boston for Jeff Green. Matching salaries so we could still get PJ Tucker with MLE right? Here is a rumor about the Celtics having a deal in place to trade Green with a mystery team:

http://fansided.com/2014/06/23/nba-r...-green/#!3qSJQ



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The other day i made a poll asking if you would do ryno and a 1st for green and everyone said i was nuts.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

My guess is Pierre and cash to the Heat for late round first. Then trade that 1st along with Ryan Anderson to Boston for Jeff Green. Matching salaries so we could still get PJ Tucker with MLE right? Here is a rumor about the Celtics having a deal in place to trade Green with a mystery team:

http://fansided.com/2014/06/23/nba-r...-green/#!3qSJQ



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Personally, I would not give up Anderson and a #1 for Green.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The other day i made a poll asking if you would do ryno and a 1st for green and everyone said i was nuts.

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Yeah i have seen a lot of people on here think Green is a terrible defender. Don't know where they got that assumption. Celtic press always touts him as an above average defender.


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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

The other day i made a poll asking if you would do ryno and a 1st for green and everyone said i was nuts.

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I'm not sure I'd do the deal.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Personally, I would not give up Anderson and a #1 for Green.

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I pray Dell wouldn't either.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAbuiLmfhDo

He can give us a 3 and D that can also finish at the rim, dude is strong, look at those posterizers

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

I pray Dell wouldn't either.

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So you would rather have Ryno, who only plays one position..the same position of the face of our franchise...more than someone who can play SF and the stretch 4 with better defense and at the same price?


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Ryno in a vacuum is a better player than Green. Adding a first round pick, which would require an expenditure of additional assets, would just add insult to injury.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Yeah i have seen a lot of people on here think Green is a terrible defender. Don't know where they got that assumption. Celtic press always touts him as an above average defender.


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Really?

http://www.celticshub.com/2013/11/21...-poor-defense/

Jeff Green has had a PER of exactly 15.0 (league average) once. And that was his career high. Career 34% 3-pt shooter and was 34% last year. Steals, assists, and blocks basically non existent. Meanwhile, Ryno hasn't had a PER under 18 since his rookie year and crushes him in TS% and eFG%. Just crushes him.

But yeah, sign me up for adding a 1st round pick and an extra million per year for that guy over Ryno!

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Really?

http://www.celticshub.com/2013/11/21...-poor-defense/

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If you read the end, he is basing that article after the first 12 games last season. A season where he was asked to be the main scorer on a team still trying to find themselves? I'll admit he will have to learn to play without the ball in his hands. I seriously doubt consistency would e an issue because he wouldn't have as much asked of him as in Boston( especially last year).


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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Jeff Green has had a PER of exactly 15.0 (league average) once. And that was his career high. Career 34% 3-pt shooter and was 34% last year. Steals, assists, and blocks basically non existent. Meanwhile, Ryno hasn't had a PER under 18 since his rookie year and crushes him in TS% and eFG%. Just crushes him.

But yeah, sign me up for adding a 1st round pick and an extra million per year for that guy over Ryno!

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Do you think the celtics would do green for Ryno straight up?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Jeff Green has had a PER of exactly 15.0 (league average) once. And that was his career high. Career 34% 3-pt shooter and was 34% last year. Steals, assists, and blocks basically non existent. Meanwhile, Ryno hasn't had a PER under 18 since his rookie year and crushes him in TS% and eFG%. Just crushes him.

But yeah, sign me up for adding a 1st round pick and an extra million per year for that guy over Ryno!

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Well when you are basically the only three point shooter on the starting roster, the FG attempts go up. Come on man. I know you're not obtuse. Think outside the box before using formulas based on FG attempts . We will not be asking him to light it up. Just know his role, play respectable D, and stretch the floor.


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And herein lies the age old argument of 'change of scenery and role will change the players' efficiency'.

It happens once in a while, but 9 times out of 10, a guy is who he is. Detroit fans sold themselves on Brandon Jennings last year, saying that having big men will make the game easier for him and he won't chuck as much. That lasted about a week, and then he went right back to being who he always was.

You can bet on the guy who has played in the league for 7 years doing something he has never done before (be efficient and effective in numerous categories), but I will bet on the player who has actually been effective and efficient over the last 3-4 years, and not have to hope that he will become somebody he hasn't been yet. Just the smarter, safer bet IMO.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Do you think the celtics would do green for Ryno straight up?

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No clue what timeline they are. I think the better question is: If you polled the other 28 GM's about who was the better player, how many would say Ryno? I would guess a minimum of 24 would choose Ryno. But we can never know.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Well when you are basically the only three point shooter on the starting roster, the FG attempts go up. Come on man. I know you're not obtuse. Think outside the box before using formulas based on FG attempts in


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When stats work in peoples favor they tout them, when they don't, then stats are meaningless.

Okay, I will play this game. Then what should we use? By what measure, other than your opinion, can any objective person look at anything with these two players and come to the conclusion that Green is better?

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Ryno in a vacuum is a better player than Green. Adding a first round pick, which would require an expenditure of additional assets, would just add insult to injury.

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Now you're talking like an accountant.

When is it ok to use PER on this forum? I throw it around all the time like beads at Mardi Gras and every time people tell me PER is pointless. Those same people tell me they went to MIT, and left early to work in the Bush and Obama cabinets ( when not to busy pulling down Emmys and Nobel prizes).

Trading Ryno for Jeff Green. That has to be the most assanine trade ever proposed. No way!!!!. Unless we can get Parker or Wiggins no way do I want a top 5 pick. Embiid's injuries scare me. We have had enough injury problems.

Here's an article about Jeff Green once Rondo came back from Injury:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/3/10...ing-jeff-green


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Originally Posted by ILLHornetsFan

Trading Ryno for Jeff Green. That has to be the most assanine trade ever proposed. No way!!!!. Unless we can get Parker or Wiggins no way do I want a top 5 pick. Embiid's injuries scare me. We have had enough injury problems.

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People keep echoing that statement but only MM has provided a reason why he feels that way. If you don't explain yourself, you are just a parrot.


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I have no idea who Jeff Green is these days, ever since his heart problem I have kind of not wanted him on our team out of fear he would die on us or something. Besides we already have enough people on the payroll with heart problems.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Here's an article about Jeff Green once Rondo came back from Injury:

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/3/10...ing-jeff-green


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Cute article. Now, here's the stats:

With Rondo on the court Jeff Green did the following per NBA Stats media tool:

Shot 40.1% from the field and 30.2% from three in 809 minutes. Averaged one assist every 21 minutes and 1 steal every 43

So......

What kind of numbers are you looking for from a sf/stretch 4?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

When stats work in peoples favor they tout them, when they don't, then stats are meaningless.

Okay, I will play this game. Then what should we use? By what measure, other than your opinion, can any objective person look at anything with these two players and come to the conclusion that Green is better?

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Well you could start by looking at his 2012- 2013 Statistics from basketball reference. See how much better he was with a supporting cast.

I am by no means saying Jeff Green is a more efficient player than Anderson. I think he is more versatile than Anderson which i think will help Monty with his lineup selection. I think we'll still get good production from Smith backing up Davis.


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