Which are pretty much the names we've been hearing since February. Only team that's really not mentioned there that people have been big on is probably LAC.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 12:52 PMPelicanidae
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06-04-2019, 01:00 PMPels4LifeLAC lacking in future picks but it would be great to have Williams, and Beverly.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 01:08 PMNMThreeMVP
I think the deal with Lakers is done. Might not get announced for a few days, but I think it's done. Rich Paul and Klutch have been too quiet lately, and we still know that Rich would prefer to add AD to the Lakers. Knicks and Clippers are probably 2a and 2b, but Lakers are still the goal, the hope, and the dream for Rich, LeBron, and AD. If Rich and AD didn't think this was going exactly the way they wanted, they would be much louder.
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06-04-2019, 01:16 PMMistaWhoDatLavar backing off his stanceQuote:
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https://twitter.com/theherd/status/1...141632000?s=21
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06-04-2019, 01:19 PMPelicanidaeThe key pieces of any Clippers deal would be Landry Shamet, SGA, and the Miami pick. Williams and Beverley are good but not even nearly the point.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 01:29 PMNMThreeMVPRocking a Blue Devil-esque Big Baller Brand color scheme also...Quote:
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06-04-2019, 01:31 PMwuggie
I think the Clippers may be a Darkhorse here. They have great assets minus draft picks this year such as the two rookies who showed promise last season being SGA and Shamet, plus they have Gallinari and Montrezl Harrell amongst other. I can see Shai Gilgeous-Alexander being a baller in the future and playing great next to Jrue.
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06-04-2019, 01:34 PMMistaWhoDatI agree SGA and Shamet would look good playing with ZionQuote:
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06-04-2019, 01:43 PMpelicanchampJa Morant is a point God. Your Jeff Teague comparison is off. Don’t just parrot what you heard a scout say. It’s nonsense. Teague can’t rebound. Ja is superior in every way. Superior. Teague played for wake Forrest and had two or three teammates who are nba players. Ja played for Murray State and did virtually everything for the team. No one can stop him. His assists, shooting, rebounding, scoring inside and out, his ability to finish needs improvement but he’s dominant and will be much better than Teague.Quote:
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Watch the tournament. I said that not to talk down to you. I’m sure you watched it. All I meant was watch it again. Find a game where he was stopped. The kid is unstoppable.
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06-04-2019, 01:48 PMpelicanchampI would love that. It’s a reasonable trade. SGA is awesome. I haven’t seen enough of Shamet but I’m gonna go watch him in a second.Quote:
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Honestly, I want Culver and I think he’s going to be a really good player down the line. Him, Ball, Ingram, Hart, and Kuzma. Why not?
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06-04-2019, 01:51 PMPelicanidaeHave you read the board over the last 4 months?Quote:
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06-04-2019, 01:53 PMTaker597Trying to find the defense in that line up, but I don't see it.. lolQuote:
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06-04-2019, 01:58 PMNMThreeMVP
I know other people love it... but honestly the only deal I'm not sold on is the Nets. They just don't have the draft capital to compete with any of the other offers. Celtics, Knicks, and Lakers have better future and 2019 draft picks they can offer. If Langdon can sell Griff on all star potential for LeVert and Allen, then maybe... but it's my least favorite deal.
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06-04-2019, 02:02 PMpelicanchampBall is a great perimeter defender. Culver has potential to be a very good defender, a 2 way player. Kuzma not so much. Ingram has length and my hope would be that he continues to develop. If Ingram develops it’s a very good trade imo.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:03 PMNMThreeMVPBall, Jrue, and Zion are plus defenders. Ingram and Kuzma aren't, but they can get buckets. The team would still need a rim protector, but only the Knicks/Nets trades potentially get you a big man that can do that.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:04 PMpelicanchampYes. There’s valid concerns about that deal but there’s potential for a huge reward. It’s risky but the payoff would be huge if it worked out.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:09 PMPelicanidae[CITATION NEEDED]Quote:
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So first you tell me I need to watch the tournament, immensely condescending and ignorant. Now you tell me that I'm just parroting scouts, also immensely condescending and arrogant. People can disagree with you using their own brains and their own eyes. Deal with it.Quote:
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His assists were good. Like I said, he'll probably average 8 assists a game or so at least a couple of times in his career at an NBA level. That's extremely good. Not sure why you seem to be arguing with me about that. He turns the ball over like James Harden on speed, but hey, maybe he'll figure out that the passes are only supposed to be for HIS team-mates at some point.Quote:
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He rebounds well for a guard his size, sure. I've had big discussions on this board about his shooting before and I'm not going to go into it again, but suffice it to say that I'm not entirely sold on Morant as a sniper. I think he will be a good shooter at the NBA level, but I cannot see him being a 40% level shooter, at least not on any real volume, for at least a couple of years. His shot is a little flat, a little awkward, and because he's lacking in upper body strength he sometimes looks like he's shooting a medicine ball. With the further back NBA line, I wouldn't be surprised if his shot didn't work very well until he gains some muscle mass.
He has long arms, which help him finish at the rim, but other than that natural gift he doesn't have much in the way of inside touch. He gets absolutely hammered in the paint and he has no body control at this point. Yes, that can develop, and I expect it to, but with his naturally narrow frame I don't ever see him reaching the level of strength and resistance that someone like Westbrook or prime D Rose had.
I said Teague but 10 to 15% better at everything. When you say ''he's dominant and will be much better than Teague'', I need to explain: Teague but 15% BETTER does mean BETTER. Like, better than Teague. That's what that means. -
06-04-2019, 02:25 PMSmow-
Is Davis's rumored "preferred list" a smokescreen?
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06-04-2019, 02:35 PMPelicanidaeIt could be, but I don't know if it matters. Why should we care what he prefers? If a team is willing to take the risk and we like their assets, he'll go there whether he likes it or not.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:41 PMUptownFuz504
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06-04-2019, 02:42 PMUptownFuz504We should care because he can sabotage any deal that he’s not down with the tradeQuote:
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06-04-2019, 02:44 PMPelicanidaeOkay, I'll bite.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:47 PMSmow-I think it would only matter if Bostin uses the information as an excuse to lowball us. The Kyrie situation still determines their willingness to trade.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:47 PMPels4Life
AD can also add to the trade value if he wants to go there. If everyone in the room agrees its a good fit the buyer may be more willing to let loose additional assets if they are told he wants to sign there in the future....atleast so i think.
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06-04-2019, 02:49 PMPelicanidaeIf Boston lowballs us, then they don't get AD. It's that simple. The Knicks are reportedly desperate. The Lakers are reported desperate. Both teams will throw everything at us, or close to it. If Boston goes with Brown, Rozier in a S+T, and the 14th pick, then they don't get AD. Simple.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 02:52 PMUptownFuz504Pels trade AD to x team that he doesn’t want to play for. AD in return says he won’t play for x team and won’t even meet with x team. Does x team let AD sit in LA while they give up assets or do they cancel the deal? I believe Derek Fisher and Harper blocked trades because they didn’t wanna play in Utah . There is precedent for itQuote:
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06-04-2019, 02:55 PMSmow-This is my fear with Boston.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:00 PMRobertM320
I doubt AD wants to sit and waste another entire year of his prime. He'll never become the self-proclaimed greatest player ever that way.
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06-04-2019, 03:00 PMPELICANSFANAgree. Not sold on potential Nets deal.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:02 PMPelicanidaeWell yeah, but didn't my post that you replied to specifically say that if the team is willing to take the risk, then we do it? Obviously if a team isn't willing to take the risk then we can't, but the entire point of my post was that conditional part.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:03 PMPelicanidaeI don't love it, but I don't hate it either. I do think they have good parts, I like Allen and Kurucs, for example, but their picks are extremely whatever and they can't actually just deal D-Lo, so that's a huge downside.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:05 PMUptownFuz504I believe when Derek Harper did it the trade fell through and when fisher did it, Utah bought him out. I don’t think AD will sit at all. In situations like this, it’s best to work with AD and not against himQuote:
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06-04-2019, 03:10 PMNMThreeMVP
AD is going to the Lakers... them getting the #4 pick sealed the deal. If for some in the organization it was close (everyone has reported this) before the deadline, what do you think it is now that the Lakers pick has moved up to #4??
It's pretty obvious, IMO. The deal hasn't been announced, so could obviously change or someone could step in with a monster offer, but things like silence from Klutch, the Suns/Bulls posturing around Lonzo and LaVar changing his tune, Knicks looking to trade down with Atlanta, word the Celtics may pivot to young guys, Garland's promise in Chicago (presumed by many to be from Lakers - who wouldn't do so unless they knew they had a deal with Pelicans), positive health reports on Ingram...
The online betting odds have also swung to the Lakers as favorites. If I could go down the street to Harrah's and place a bet, I would. I don't trust the internet...
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06-04-2019, 03:14 PMPelicanidaeSilence from Klutch? Like, the absolute silence of them telling the Lakers that if there's no successful trade or free agency splash, Lebron may demand a trade? Cause that happened earlier today. Some pretty loud silence, imo.Quote:
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There has been NO word that the Celtics are ''pivoting'' to young guys aside from Steve Kyler, who is an idiot. Heinsohn, Bulpett, Woj, Shams, none of them have reported this, and have repeated the exact opposite as recently as about a week ago.
We already KNOW that ''some people'' in the organisation that like the Laker's trade means Alvin Gentry. We have known that since February. This is not news.
I'm not saying you're wrong: maybe Griffin really does like the Lakers trade, and that's what's going to happen (I don't personally believe that, but you could be right). But please stop parroting poorly sourced rumours that like to circulate on twitter without any actual substance. -
06-04-2019, 03:23 PMHornetGuru
Since the lakers got the 4th pick I like it much more since we would land either Morant, Barrett, or culver, I think all 3 will be good and I really like Ingram as a player, but I don’t like ball so only way I do it is if it’s a 3 team trade and we trade Lonzo for someone or something else
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06-04-2019, 03:24 PMJJackisangry
If Boston lowballs us, we look for another trade partner. I don’t know why Boston “lowballing us” is even relevant. There are plenty of suitors for AD. I doubt they have pulled out like Scooby Kyler said because let’s face it- this trade is most likely being made before Kyrie can dash.
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06-04-2019, 03:26 PMkinglio21093
Can we be honest with ourselves? No matter what, the Lakers still have the worst package for AD.
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06-04-2019, 03:27 PMNMThreeMVPKyler wasn't the first, and isn't the only person to suggest the Celtics might pivot to the young guys. No one is reporting it, because it hasn't happened. But the talk has been out there since All Star break. No one is either making it up, or acting like it's fact. But it's silly to dismiss it as "only Kyler"... that's not true. He wasn't even the first. Heck... I've been talking about them doing this since February!Quote:
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Klutch has a pattern of who they leak to in the media. Bill Plaschke, who is speculating on LeBron being out if a deal doesn't get done, isn't the guy/gal they usually leak through. His sources are long time Lakers staffers; he's not a newsbreaker for Kutch.
And what we know is that Alvin Gentry was among the people who thought the Lakers deal was good in February, not that he was the only one. Further, if Gentry is as respected within the organization and by Griff as it appears, the point still stands that someone who liked the deal in February, has to LOVE the deal now that the pick has moved up to #4.
You're not saying I'm wrong, and I'm not saying I'm right. But I'm not "parroting poorly sourced rumors" either. There's a lot that adds up, IMO, to a Lakers trade... and also the online sports books told me that Bran would be King, and guess what, that weirdo was king! Sometimes you just add up the evidence, and sometimes even when it's just rumors it's still correct in the end. -
06-04-2019, 03:28 PMUptownFuz504People in this organization and around the league beg to differ. Pelicans fans hate the lakers assets. Most others do not.Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:35 PMPelicanidaeJared Dudley disagrees with you :hihi:Quote:
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06-04-2019, 03:36 PMPelicanidae
Next we'll be getting news broken by Amico and Colin Cowherd telling us the Celtics are actually allergic to people with unibrows and AD has chained himself to a tree in Los Angeles, at this rate.
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06-04-2019, 03:45 PMNMThreeMVPHaha... I mean, let's be honest.... you sort of exaggerated what Dudley said, no? He actually placed the "thinking emoji" where you placed "definitely", which conveys different degrees of support, no?Quote:
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Also, the assumption is that the Celtics are willing to offer their best package. AD has been pretty consistent in not putting them in his top choices. It's funny that you think the Celtics disregard the fact that AD could be a rental. When Ainge was asked about trading for players in the past, he said he'd still do it, but that it definitely impacts the offer. -
06-04-2019, 03:52 PMPelicanidaeName one time that I've said ''the Celtics disregard the fact that AD could be a rental.''Quote:
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You'll have a struggle doing it, because it's not something I've ever said. I've said before what you said (that Ainge has said in the past he'd still be willing to trade for the right player without a guarantee of them staying) and I've said that Ainge was still (As of around March, I think) willing to put Tatum on the table even if AD wouldn't resign. Neither of those things is synonymous with ''the Celtics disregard the fact that AD could still be a rental''.
With those options ��Celtics cuz of Tatum... Best player and most potential equals best package https://t.co/KckZQRrc6e
— Jared Dudley (@JaredDudley619) June 4, 2019
If you actually look at Dudley's tweet, it's clear that the thinking emoji was in response to the specific packages assembled in the tweet he was referring to. The second statement, which is that Tatum is ''best player and most potential'' isn't a qualified statement because those packages DO contain Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, RJ Barrett, etc etc etc. The whole gamut of potential 'stars' people have been talking about. -
06-04-2019, 03:53 PMMistaWhoDatWhere’s that link ??? I seen that on Twitter the Lakers fan was offering two of the young guys and Dudley said it’s going to be at least 3-5 guys and picks for AD he didn’t say he didn’t like the Lakers young guy . SmhQuote:
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06-04-2019, 03:55 PMMistaWhoDatAD trade scenarios...
If Kyrie leaves or they think that he’s leaving the Celtics will not make the trade in my opinion
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06-04-2019, 04:06 PMNMThreeMVP
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...kg-trade%3Famp
From January...
Ainge can’t talk specifically about Davis, but gives a clear anecdote of what he’s willing to do. Davis still doesn’t have Celtics among the teams he’d resign with... so what do you think this guy is going to offer...
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Danny Ainge can't talk specifics, but the Celtics' president of basketball operations said Thursday on 98.5 The Sports Hub's "Toucher & Rich" radio show he's certainly open to the idea of trading for a "rental" like Davis.
“Yes, but it depends on the situation, It depends on the player, the circumstances and the package you have to trade for him. We’ve had a chance to do it and have done it, and we’ve had a chance to do it and have not done it.
Ainge then provided fitting historical perspective involving his pursuit of Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Garnett during the summer of 2007.”
“We initially had a trade together and KG said he wouldn’t come to Boston. He said no. So, we pulled the trade offer. Then we traded for Ray Allen and went back to Minnesota and they allowed us to speak to KG, and he said yes.
He also said he would sign an extension and we did the trade. We had another opportunity -- I won’t name the player, but that player wouldn’t commit to re-signing, so we didn’t do the deal.”
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06-04-2019, 04:46 PMPelicanidaeIt's in the post immediately above yours, take a look. He didn't say anything about the Lakers young guys, he said that Tatum was the best player with the highest potential and therefore gives the Celtics the best potential package. If the Celtics have THE BEST potential package, then the Lakers obviously have a worse one than that, right?Quote:
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06-04-2019, 05:01 PMNMThreeMVP
The best “potential” packages belong to Memphis or Phoenix. But they won’t offer everything because they don’t have a lot of confidence they could resign AD.
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06-04-2019, 05:06 PMPELICANSFANBut you have no sources. Fans "talking about it" mean nothing. Who do you think is pushing the narrative today? Shams has consistently pushed out info that benefits Klutch. My guess is that is where the leak came today in order to put pressure on Griffin.Quote:
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