Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

A trade is guaranteed. Just the who and the where are in question.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

A trade is guaranteed. Just the who and the where are in question.

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Forgot the most agonizing question: the when.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Forgot the most agonizing question: the when.

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I already know the when.







Eventually. :bah:

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I already know the when.







Eventually. :bah:

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based on the trade machine - Melvin Ely cannot be traded until 14th July. So officially Asik's trade or any other trade including Ely cannot be completed until then.

I know that it is not 'news' but it makes sense when You will remember info that Asik will complete the paperwork on 15th July...

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Originally Posted by pawel

based on the trade machine - Melvin Ely cannot be traded until 14th July. So officially Asik's trade or any other trade including Ely cannot be completed until then.

I know that it is not 'news' but it makes sense when You will remember info that Asik will complete the paperwork on 15th July...

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Great point. I saw the too and forgot to post it.

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Originally Posted by pawel

based on the trade machine - Melvin Ely cannot be traded until 14th July. So officially Asik's trade or any other trade including Ely cannot be completed until then.

I know that it is not 'news' but it makes sense when You will remember info that Asik will complete the paperwork on 15th July...

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Good catch. I never thought he would still be under a restriction.

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Originally Posted by pawel

based on the trade machine - Melvin Ely cannot be traded until 14th July. So officially Asik's trade or any other trade including Ely cannot be completed until then.

I know that it is not 'news' but it makes sense when You will remember info that Asik will complete the paperwork on 15th July...

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What's weird is that I just messed with the trade machine yesterday and this restriction isn't on there. But this is correct. A newly signed free agent cannot be traded until 3 months after they originally signed, UNLESS it's a S&T. But let's face it, anyone trading for Ely would be so they could cut him. Looks like Ely won't be gone until the 14th. Only way we get the Asik deal done before then is if Demps can figure out a trade that works without Ely's contract.

Its going down on the 13th.

Tune in then.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Its going down on the 13th.

Tune in then.

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Only the Asik trade? Or is more in the works?

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Originally Posted by thiefinthenight

Only the Asik trade? Or is more in the works?

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It will be more complex than just Asik for the 1st. Will go down the morning of the 13th.

This two week nightmare will be over. Summer league games and transactions coming soon to a message board near you!!

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

It will be more complex than just Asik for the 1st. Will go down the morning of the 13th.

This two week nightmare will be over. Summer league games and transactions coming soon to a message board near you!!

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Is this based off something you heard or are you extrapolating the 13th date based off of intuition?

Well if something is going down on the 13th it doesn't include Ely, unless it will be agreed to/announced on the 13th and wont be made official until the next day.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Well if something is going down on the 13th it doesn't include Ely, unless it will be agreed to/announced on the 13th and wont be made official until the next day.

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Not true.

I remind you that the clause says 90 days. Not 3 months.

have you heard something MM? Please let us know or give us at least a hint

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not true.

I remind you that the clause says 90 days. Not 3 months.

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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94

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94. When can a team trade a free agent it signs? Do they have to keep him forever?

Generally a team only has to keep a player for three months after signing a contract or December 151 of that season, whichever is later

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The only time that doesn't apply is in a S&T

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In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 90).

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I know it's wikiepedia but it says the same thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

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If a newly signed player is not part of a sign-and-trade, his new team cannot trade him until December 15 of the calendar year in which he was signed or three months after the date on which he signed, whichever arrives later.

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Please tell me if this 3 month rule only applies to off season acquisitions, then it would make sense. Trade Machine is saying the 14th as well.

I think they are using standard terms there. 90 days is more absolute. Months are all different.

Either way, a person with know how said the 13th and when asked when Ely can be traded, he specifically said the 13th as well.

We will see.

Does that mean that a trade/trades have already been agreed to and they are just announcing it on Sunday? I mean saying the 13th in the morning is pretty specific to have to agree to terms on the fly.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Does that mean that a trade/trades have already been agreed to and they are just announcing it on Sunday? I mean saying the 13th in the morning is pretty specific to have to agree to terms on the fly.

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I agree. Was shocked myself. Sounds like it is done.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I agree. Was shocked myself. Sounds like it is done.

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Well even though we don't know all the pieces involved (clearly Babbitt and Ely) I'd still say that is pretty exciting news. Now we know the when. Just a few more days of speculation the whos.

Maybe the date does not matter as I would assume NBA offices are closed on Sunday (so the "transaction" would not be official until Monday when the office is open for business).

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Well even though we don't know all the pieces involved (clearly Babbitt and Ely) I'd still say that is pretty exciting news. Now we know the when. Just a few more days of speculation the whos.

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I think we have a pretty good idea. If this info was told to MM now, the timing with the Austin Rivers post I think is no accident. It also makes the most sense since Rivers is viewed as having the most potential out of the smaller contracts on our team. I don't think it's a big leap to figure that Rivers, Ajinca, Ely, Babbitt are the pieces going out.

Now the real question is are they just dumping Rivers or will we be getting an asset back (other than keeping. MLE BA)?

Houston wouldn't back out of the deal regardless, IMO. They're getting a first rounder for a guy that they can afford to play < 20 mpg, would have to pay 15 mil and who is a 150% lock to leave them after this year.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I think we have a pretty good idea. If this info was told to MM now, the timing with the Austin Rivers post I think is no accident. It also makes the most sense since Rivers is viewed as having the most potential out of the smaller contracts on our team. I don't think it's a big leap to figure that Rivers, Ajinca, Ely, Babbitt are the pieces going out.

Now the real question is are they just dumping Rivers or will we be getting an asset back (other than keeping. MLE BA)?

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Not sure if Ajinca needs to be included. If I recall, his salary is guaranteed, so it may not be as enticing to another team.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure if Ajinca needs to be included. If I recall, his salary is guaranteed, so it may not be as enticing to another team.

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That would be my only objection in Mythrol's post. The team trading with us would have to either actually want Ajinca or be willing to cut him and eat his 1mil contract.

Yeah it's only 1 million so for some teams that may not matter but for a team like us it would.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure if Ajinca needs to be included. If I recall, his salary is guaranteed, so it may not be as enticing to another team.

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Source won't tell us exact details (such a tease), but I think Ajinca is gone. Most of the scenarios I run includes him. Gets guaranteed salary off the books. Ajinca, Babbitt, and Ely gets you to a little over 3 mil. Need another 2.4 or so to do the deal. That's Rivers. Could be Roberts, Aminu, Smith, or Morrow too. Preferably it is not Morrow, because that would cost us our MLE.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

That would be my only objection in Mythrol's post. The team trading with us would have to either actually want Ajinca or be willing to cut him and eat his 1mil contract.

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OR, we give them 500K - 1 mil in cash. Imagine being another team and getting a solid center for free. Both asset wise and salary wise.

I think cash could play a big part here. Dell basically has 4.5 mil to work with to have teams help him out.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

OR, we give them 500K - 1 mil in cash. Imagine being another team and getting a solid center for free. Both asset wise and salary wise.

I think cash could play a big part here. Dell basically has 4.5 mil to work with to have teams help him out.

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So pretty much the $$$ from Houston could possibly be going straight to the other team.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So pretty much the $$$ from Houston could possibly be going straight to the other team.

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Exactly. Plus we can add up to 3 mil of our own.

So, lets say Charlotte is gonna straight up sign Roberts for 2.5 mil. We can call them and say, "Hey do us a favor and make it a sign and trade. Here is 500K for your troubles."

Charlotte loses nothing in that scenario, so why not?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure if Ajinca needs to be included. If I recall, his salary is guaranteed, so it may not be as enticing to another team.

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If Rivers is out Ajinca has to go too. Another team is getting a top 10 pick from 2 years ago. If all they have to do is take a decent 10-15min C on a 1yr/1M contract who is going to think twice? No one.

I'm too excited to see this. If we have to give up Rivers I wouldn't be mad. We are getting a very good center and we can always sign a decent backup point gaurd if not use Russ. Hopefully after all is said and done we can get some pieces from teams still waiting on LeBron and Melo and trying to dump good players for nothing. If the dominoes of the Big Decision Pt 2 start falling before then I can see us missing out on a lot. Sunday is a long way away in free agency time.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Source won't tell us exact details (such a tease), but I think Ajinca is gone. Most of the scenarios I run includes him. Gets guaranteed salary off the books. Ajinca, Babbitt, and Ely gets you to a little over 3 mil. Need another 2.4 or so to do the deal. That's Rivers. Could be Roberts, Aminu, Smith, or Morrow too. Preferably it is not Morrow, because that would cost us our MLE.

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Certainly not that its a deal breaker, but I was hoping we could keep Ajinca off the bench. For such a low salary, I thought he could be a serviceable backup. It doesn't hurt that he is still young (only 26) and has great size (7'2" 250) (although slow feet).

I just don't see the need. I think Withey passes him this year. Bringing in Young too and you can even bring Smith back if you really want. Coupled with Asik and AD getting mins at the 5 with Ryno, I don't see how he would ever play if he came back.

I think it speaks more to how confident the team is with Withey and Young.

I used to think differently, but now I'd much rather Ajinca/Babbitt over Smith. That dude just can't stay healthy.

I really liked what I saw from Ajinca last year and if he's not starting, he can be a great backup big. Gives Young a year to get his feet wet as the 3rd big off the bench. He can't possibly be worst than Steamer. Not possible.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I think it speaks more to how confident the team is with Withey and Young.

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And Asik, Ryno, and AD.

I mean, if those 3 are healthy, should anybody else get a minute at 4 or 5? I understand that you need depth, but seriously, you just have two of those guys on the floor every minute right?

AD and Asik start, Ryno comes in at 6 minute mark for Asik
Asik comes in for AD at 2 min mark.
AD comes in for Ryno at 9 min. mark of 2nd.
Ryno comes back in at 5 min mark for Asik

Using that because when I watched our healthy games, that was Monty's tendency. That rotation.

That is 38 minutes per game for AD. 30 for Asik and 28 for Ryno.

Could tinker here and there, but this seems about right. 4th big might not get off the bench most nights.

I look at it as if you move Ajinca and don't resign Smith, your depth at 4/5 is very thin. That's why I said that about Withey and Young. I'm assuming Asik, AD and Ryno will be relatively healthy this year (praying nothing less than 70 games played), so I'm talking just depth. The hope is obviously that you wouldn't have to rely on the Withey's/Youngs night in and night out.

I think you need a PF for depth. Not a C. With Asik, Young, Withey, Ryno, and AD - you got 5 guys who can play Center in a pinch. Only 2 guys that can play PF. Need to add another PF, not a Center like Ajinca IMO

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Exactly. Plus we can add up to 3 mil of our own.

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Are you sure the money adds up to our own 3 million limit? the CBA FAQ is not very clear on that.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you need a PF for depth. Not a C. With Asik, Young, Withey, Ryno, and AD - you got 5 guys who can play Center in a pinch. Only 2 guys that can play PF. Need to add another PF, not a Center like Ajinca IMO

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If Bulls miss on Melo and Love, I still think that PF you're talking about could be Boozer traded for Gordon.

Haven't Smith and Young both played PF?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Haven't Smith and Young both played PF?

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Smith is not there amongst my 5. But yes, he can, which makes him a better fit than Ajinca IMO.

Young can defend 4's, but who is the Center you put him on the court with?? Imagine a lineup with him and Withey or Asik - offense would just be dead on arrival. So he almost has to play the 5. Basically, he has to play with AD or Ryno - and really just AD because of rebounding.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think you need a PF for depth. Not a C. With Asik, Young, Withey, Ryno, and AD - you got 5 guys who can play Center in a pinch. Only 2 guys that can play PF. Need to add another PF, not a Center like Ajinca IMO

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Don't see a need for Smith, but Young can play the 4 in spurts and likely will not see many minutes the first year or two anyway. I think Ajinca was a bargain.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Don't see a need for Smith, but Young can play the 4 in spurts and likely will not see many minutes the first year or two anyway. I think Ajinca was a bargain.

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Again, if you put Young at the 4, who is the 5? And how can that offense possibly function?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If Bulls miss on Melo and Love, I still think that PF you're talking about could be Boozer traded for Gordon.

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Gordon isn't going anywhere. Sad, but true.

Yeah I like the front line of Asik and AD starting. Ryno being the first big off the bench gettting 20 mins a game with Withey (being used for size and shot blocking ability), Young (hustle and defending), and maybe Jason (hustle and spread the floor with his mid range shot) being used as the alternate bigs.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Gordon isn't going anywhere. Sad, but true.

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I know you hope as much as I do that your wrong about that one! lol