Pelicans to meet with Tyreke Evans (offer has been made)

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

not happening

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Let a man dream.

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Originally Posted by DavidStern

33% from 3
34% from midrange

That's awful for perimeter player. Redick would be much better fit (and cheaper!) for Pelicans than Tyreke.

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excuse me, but please remind me.... when does Adam Silver take over?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 4m
Word is Corey Brewer, on top looming sitdown w/Rockets, drawing interest from New Orleans and Atlanta as well. Also: Denver wants him back

wait.. maybe i should start 4 threads with this

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

i hope youre right... what would rivers role be then?

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They'll likely take back Vasquez in a S&T.

Now their PG situation is Thomas, Vasquez, Jimmer (who they are trying to move desperately), and the rookie McCallum.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

We shall see. I just don't see the fit.

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I don't either. Reke is healthy, more productive, and on a nice deal. Why keep Gordon, when Reke can do just as good a job?

A guy that plays in California that nobody in the league believes in anymore, brought to a New Orleans Franchise.......

I've heard this song before.....

If we don't start Tyreke at SF and instead have him come off the bench then a) who do we start at SF? and b) do we have both Ryno and Tyreke as 6th men?

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

That was said by Jason Jones, who is a sketchy beat writer with no credibility and no ties to the Pelicans FO. How would he know how we plan to use Evans?

With regards to the 6th man role, why can't he be a 6th man at the SF position? It's not a spot limited to SGs, so I think our plan is to bring him off the bench and play him at the 3 (with maybe some minutes at the 2, but mostly at the 3).

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It wasn't only reported by one source.

I'm not saying he isn't ever going to play minutes at the 3... the fact of the matter is, he's going to be coming off the bench. We're going to have another SF brought in to start unless we resign Aminu or use the in house version of Miller (which I highly doubt)

It makes us a better team to have Reke and Ryno on that second unit putting up points. And in the event we keep the scrub, you're boy Rivers will also be playing the "PG" as it'll feature two combo guards running the 2nd team w/ Anderson, Smith, & Miller.

I don't call that a bad idea in the least.

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Originally Posted by SeaLegs

If we don't start Tyreke at SF and instead have him come off the bench then a) who do we start at SF? and b) do we have both Ryno and Tyreke as 6th men?

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whoever would start, wouldnt get many minutes

EGO & Vasquez will be traded ! Leaves monies for Budinger & Wright ! I would also look at B. Mullin ! hes 7'0, 275 ! Basically a R.Lopez but shoots 32% from 3 ! & cheaper ! Jrue--Reke---Wright---AD----Mullin !

Wow I thought this would take more time ! Right now, we are filled with guards, so a trade is coming... I wish we will keep EG.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I don't either. Reke is healthy, more productive, and on a nice deal. Why keep Gordon, when Reke can do just as good a job?

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Tyreke is no where near (a healthy) Gordon's level and its not even close. The only problem Gordon has is staying healthy, and now that he's supposedly healthy everyone wants to move him. Makes no sense to me.

The Pelicans view Tyreke Evans as a combo guard, not a small forward.

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

Had also heard Pelicans plan to keep Gordon. Would move Vasquez instead.

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

If Gordon is kept and Evans is brought in at anywhere above 10 million, then Evans is playing major minutes at the 3. Fact.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Tyreke is no where near (a healthy) Gordon's level and its not even close. The only problem Gordon has is staying healthy, and now that he's supposedly healthy everyone wants to move him. Makes no sense to me.

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I hate to be the guy to say go look at the stats but...

Well no, here is what I will say, yeah if Gordon is healthy he is probably better, but if my aunt had nutts she wouldn't be my aunt now would she. Dude can't stay healthy. Dude has been hurt everywhere he has gone since high school.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

The Pelicans view Tyreke Evans as a combo guard, not a small forward.

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

Had also heard Pelicans plan to keep Gordon. Would move Vasquez instead.

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

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That's to big of a deal for him to be a back-up player! I think Gravy could get moved but I think we need Gordon because if we sign Evans we need another 3 pt shooter for spacing starting outside of Jrue.

It's becoming more apparent that this team is being built like the Spurs except younger and more athletic.

Dell-Monty have been waiting for this off-season for a couple years to make their move with the team they've wanted.

Plus, we get the new ownership and re-brand this season. It's going to set a precedent for winning basketball for the Pelicans.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

Redick doesn't improve your length and athleticism like Tyreke does.

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So? Pelicans don't need more athleticism (that's the most overrated part of the game, BTW - almost every draft bust is because GMs look only on athleticism), but more shooting (spacing) and defense. Redick is better than Evans in both.

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And Tyreke's midrange game stinks but he scores in the lane at a super elite rate.

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64% at rim. That's not super elite. And Redick is better here too: 66% :D

Is it possible that maybe we would bring Gordon off the bench to reduce his minutes and exposure to being injured until his trade value goes up? Granted it wouldn't make much sense to pay the "cornerstone" 14 mil to come off the bench.

Good luck to Gravy if he does go. He seems like the first one on the shopping list.

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Originally Posted by DavidStern

So? Pelicans don't need more athleticism (that's the most overrated part of the game, BTW - almost every draft bust is because GMs look only on athleticism), but more shooting (spacing) and defense. Redick is better than Evans in both.



64% at rim. That's not super elite. And Redick is better here too: 66% :D

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Most of Redick's shots at the rim come in transition.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Good luck to Gravy if he does go. He seems like the first one on the shopping list.

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he has the most value.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

10 million a year for a 6"6 guard with lightning handles, great passer, good rebounder, incredible finisher and an improving jumpshot? yall are nuts

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Whenever we get someone, you make him out to be a Hall of Famer. He is not a great passer nor does he have great court vision. He is a good player. The concern with him in the past has been the fact that he is a black hole when he gets the ball and has not always been in shape. I love how he gets to the rim. At about $8-$10 million less, I would probably be OK with the signing.

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Originally Posted by TBlaze

It wasn't only reported by one source.

I'm not saying he isn't ever going to play minutes at the 3... the fact of the matter is, he's going to be coming off the bench. We're going to have another SF brought in to start unless we resign Aminu or use the in house version of Miller (which I highly doubt)

It makes us a better team to have Reke and Ryno on that second unit putting up points. And in the event we keep the scrub, you're boy Rivers will also be playing the "PG" as it'll feature two combo guards running the 2nd team w/ Anderson, Smith, & Miller.

I don't call that a bad idea in the least.

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I love him coming off the bench. I thought you were saying he's coming off as a 2, but I think we now agree that he's coming off as a 3.

I think the idea we're working towards is having a 3 guard rotation of Holiday, Gordon, and Rivers. We rotate them in and out all game, because all 3 of them can handle the rock, so let's forget who is the 1 and who is the 2 for a minute. Then, we have a cheap "starter" at SF like Aminu, and bring Evans off the bench, but he still gets most of the minutes at that position. I LOVE that idea, and if any of our guards get injured, than Evans can just slide over and play their position until they are healthy again.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Well, this sucks. It almost negated the good work of getting Jrue.

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This is how I feel to be honest replacing one overpaid player (Gordon) with another; and thats assuming we even trade Gordon; and even if we do trade Gordon that leaves us with a shooting guard who can't shoot; don't get me wrong i'm intrigued by the move but currently not seeing this deal in a particularly positive light

Since Vasquez has a great relationship with the staff, they may have informed him early about the FA plan, that may explain his tweet.

Instead of using all our remaining cap space on tyreke, maybe we should look to pick up someone like omri casspi at the 3 and byron mulleins. Omri Casspi and Mullens could both come in and start right away. We could even throw 10 mil at kirilenko, his best years are still ahead of him and he would bring a veteran presence to the squad.

IMO, either way we would be a playoff team

How do you pay three guards, 8 figures each. Oh we'll, that's the front office job.

Good to hear Gordon is gonna stay put. Would be a dumb move to trade him.

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Originally Posted by beesfan

Instead of using all our remaining cap space on tyreke, maybe we should look to pick up someone like omri casspi at the 3 and byron mulleins. Omri Casspi and Mullens could both come in and start right away. We could even throw 10 mil at kirilenko, his best years are still ahead of him and he would bring a veteran presence to the squad.

IMO, either way we would be a playoff team

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Tyreke is a guy who can get his own shot when the play breaks down. That is INVALUABLE in the playoffs!

In the NBA, 4 quarters doesn't equal a dollar. Evans has All Star potential, so that's what you go with. If you have a chance, you always go for the All Star, even if it means overpaying a little.

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Originally Posted by Jackaveli

How do you pay three guards, 8 figures each. Oh we'll, that's the front office job.

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League is moving towards a 3 guard lineup anyway. Miami and Spurs BOTH ran mostly a 3 guard lineup in the Finals.

I'm on board with Gordon for Gallo

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Originally Posted by Hard'n'DaPaint

Since Vasquez has a great relationship with the staff, they may have informed him early about the FA plan, that may explain his tweet.

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My guess is they want to shop him to a desireable location as well. It would be kind of a dick move to leave him in Sactown.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Doug Mouton ?@DMoutonWWL 5m Sean Deveney of the Sporting News @SeanDeveney says he believes the Pelicans offer to Tyreke Evans is a straight free agent deal (more)

Doug Mouton ?@DMoutonWWL 5m ..and not a sign and trade. The Sporting News' @SeanDeveney 's take on the deal, will Sacramento match, coming up on Eyewitness News at 5pm

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If this holds true i'd expect to see one of Gordon or Greivis traded (preferably Gordon) hopefully for some help on the wing, and not only that but a wing who can shoot lol to me this seems the most realistic scenario because how the current roster + Reke is looking its a complete mismash but knowing Dell theres got to be method to this madness

So what people are saying is... the FO not only convinced him to come off the bench, but to also play the position that he said he wouldn't play too?

I just got the espn update thing on my phone that said we offered him 4 years 44 million deal it doesent say if he accepted though.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I love him coming off the bench. I thought you were saying he's coming off as a 2, but I think we now agree that he's coming off as a 3.

I think the idea we're working towards is having a 3 guard rotation of Holiday, Gordon, and Rivers. We rotate them in and out all game, because all 3 of them can handle the rock, so let's forget who is the 1 and who is the 2 for a minute. Then, we have a cheap "starter" at SF like Aminu, and bring Evans off the bench, but he still gets most of the minutes at that position. I LOVE that idea, and if any of our guards get injured, than Evans can just slide over and play their position until they are healthy again.

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I'm with you on this aspect. I am one to think the positions are a little outdated now as Iggy isn't deadset as a 3 as most people think.

So I don't see Reke brought in here to exclusively plug our starting hole at the 3, but he'll just receive a ton of minutes out on the wing regardless of Gordon being in the game or not. Look at what San Antonio did w/ Manu this season. Green started at the 2 and then Manu was brought in and the two of them played together along w/ Parker or Neal. Same concept here. He's not a traditional "3" so he's not being brought in to play the "3" so to speak.

But for us paying him 10million plus incentives, he's going to come in here and do whatever Monty asks him to do b/c he won't be getting that kind of money in SAC to play backup behind the logjam of Thornton, McLemore, Salmons, etc... here his only real threat to minutes is Gordon & they can play alongside one another.

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Originally Posted by Jackaveli

Why would the official site say we have signed player X to a offer sheet? Isn't that what a official site does, announce signings?

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Not when the NBA moratorium for FA signings is not over until after July 10. No team can announce a FA signing yet.

Kings are due to meet with Evans at 5 p.m.

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

I think if things don't go well with the Kings tonight, then Evans will agree to our deal. At least, that's the word floating around twitter:

Also sounds like if Evans doesn't like what he hears from the Kings this evening, he could agree to offer sheet. Can't be signed until 7/10

— Jason Jones (@mr_jasonjones) July 1, 2013

Curious as to how people with the negative outlook ever think we are going to win. You keep drafting and waiting on talent to develop while it also walks out the door. The OKC model doesn't happen that much, you can't just draft or just do FA'y. You have to draft, make some good deals and sometimes overpay. You take chances to WIN. The Heat did it and succeeded. The Lakers did and failed. But you won't hit it if you never swing.

We have talent now that we did not have last year, let's see what they can do. We are trying to win games, not have the leagues smartest and most balanced payroll. Get the players here, period. Demps is doing that.

I also love that the people who {edited-language} about these moves are the same ones who cry when we suck. This team is very promising. Guys really want to save money for who??? Lebron isn't coming here. Dwight isn't coming here. This is our only shot to win, get over it.

"Save money, save money, be smart so we can make a move..." FOR WHAT? Sorry but when you're a NO Pelicans fan this is your move. A mix of good drafting and overpaying guys is our shot. Otherwise we are the Clippers from before CP3, always waiting on talent to evolve and then it leaves as it comes. And people like to say SA or OCK, those teams hit with once in a generation players, it's luck. Hopefully we have that with AD, but I don't get how anyone can be upset by this move.

Is it a lot for Evans, yes. Is it a lot for Evans to come to NO, no.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

My guess is they want to shop him to a desireable location as well. It would be kind of a dick move to leave him in Sactown.

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That's exactly what they did it for Captain Jack so I wish he lands in a good situation. Gonna miss him if he is traded !

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Is it a lot of Evans, yes. Is it a lot for Evans to come to NO, no.

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preach on brother
couldnt agree with you more

Evans puts us in the playoffs, which makes the Philly trade look that much better. Plus, we have the MLE, which we can sign another SF or a big with. Demps is a sly dog!

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Originally Posted by cgrand

preach on brother
couldnt agree with you more

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by i am cow lolz

Most of Redick's shots at the rim come in transition.

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Well, I'm not so sure and he finished very poorly in transition: below 50%! So Redick's high at rim efficiency must be from half court offense.

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Originally Posted by DavidStern

So? Pelicans don't need more athleticism (that's the most overrated part of the game, BTW - almost every draft bust is because GMs look only on athleticism), but more shooting (spacing) and defense. Redick is better than Evans in both.



64% at rim. That's not super elite. And Redick is better here too: 66% :D

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Nice call :) I actually didn't know that about Redick. I'd still take Evans in that department since I think I can safely assume he gets a lot more volume there, but that's a good point on Redick's behalf.

64% at the rim is pretty elite, though. Tony Parker's one of the best in the league and he's about at 67. Russell Westbrook is about 59-60 IIRC.

we do not have the mid level exception
we have the room exception (pending all the moves under the cap)

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Originally Posted by tyler

I just dont think he fits for us

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He fits off the bench or at the 3 in a 3 guard offense. As our primary 2, I'm not rollin.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Evans puts us in the playoffs, which makes the Philly trade look that much better. Plus, we have the MLE, which we can sign another SF or a big with. Demps is a sly dog!

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I don't think we have the MLE as our cap space is more than the MLE.

Wtf? Redick? What are you talking about? Who wants Redick?