Pelicans vs Thunder (YHT) Game 2 Playoffs! GAMEDAY THREAD!

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Has anyone told Ingram that?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The entire sales pitch for BI for years has been ''you're gonna need tough shot making like his in the playoffs''

Now we're getting told it's not his fault that he can't make anything happen, he's getting locked up.

What happened to the tough shot making, man? In the playoffs, even.

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I thought it was “Won’t bow Down “

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Originally Posted by Nichols

You're not being rational.

News flash MVP.. Players get locked up. That's what we're seeing. That, in addition to being in foul trouble has decreased his aggression. One could even argue that Dwort/OKC has broken him.

Now.. You can argue, that you don't pay a guy 50M a year that can be shut down the way he has. And I wouldn't protest. He could at least funnel his energy and aggression into other aspects of gameplay since he's having trouble scoring. That's what I don't like.

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That is exactly what I would argue. The entire argument for BI has been that at the end of the day, ''you need a guy who can make shots like him when defenses lock down in the playoffs''. I cannot tell you how many times people have said that to me, and used it to excuse his iso-ball, his refusal to take 3s, and his hit-or-miss defense, his poor rebounding. That's always the refrain.

Here we are. We're in the playoffs. Defenses are locking down. Where are the shots?

They weren't there last game. They aren't here so far this game. Mr $50m turning in an F on the assignment that was tailored for his skillset thus far. And, as you say, he's doing nothing else to make up for it.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Ingram remains the issue imo. He is supposed to be our best player on the floor and is just not showing up. 4 points in 17 minutes, and a whopping -17 on the plus minus

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The officiating has been allowing BI to get mauled for 6 straight quarters. Our complaints about the officiating isn't about getting FTs. It's about allowing BI to play. In these 6 quarters, Dort has only been called for FOUR fouls. I mean, Jones is amazing but we all know if he were covering a player of BI's caliber, he'd have gotten closer to nine or ten. It just happens. When you're blanketing someone, you're going to commit fouls. Then you're going to have to back off a bit. But when no fouls get called Dort can just continue to assault BI and it's all fine.

It also didn't help that the team waited until OKC had a giant lead to start hitting shots. OKC is basically saying "we're taking Ingram out, someone else will have to beat us". If someone would step up, they'd have to change their plans. But our guys were shooting 10% from three with some gorgeous open looks. It's the problem of having only one star.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The entire sales pitch for BI for years has been ''you're gonna need tough shot making like his in the playoffs''

Now we're getting told it's not his fault that he can't make anything happen, he's getting locked up.

What happened to the tough shot making, man? In the playoffs, even.

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When you start making these kind of statements.. Our convos go off the rails. It's a dishonest way to engage others. You're basically making up a position that no one has communicated. I'd like to think you're better than that.

So should I feel sorry for Ingram now?

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Originally Posted by Nichols

When you start making these kind of statements.. Our convos go off the rails. It's a dishonest way to engage others. You're basically making up a position that no one has communicated. I'd like to think you're better than that.

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Read the comment immediate above yours.

Let us not forget who is the HC . Throw him under bus too

How is it we shoot so many bricks?

NBA basketball > CJ

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The officiating has been allowing BI to get mauled for 6 straight quarters. Our complaints about the officiating isn't about getting FTs. It's about allowing BI to play. In these 6 quarters, Dort has only been called for FOUR fouls. I mean, Jones is amazing but we all know if he were covering a player of BI's caliber, he'd have gotten closer to nine or ten. It just happens. When you're blanketing someone, you're going to commit fouls. Then you're going to have to back off a bit. But when no fouls get called Dort can just continue to assault BI and it's all fine.

It also didn't help that the team waited until OKC had a giant lead to start hitting shots. OKC is basically saying "we're taking Ingram out, someone else will have to beat us". If someone would step up, they'd have to change their plans. But our guys were shooting 10% from three with some gorgeous open looks. It's the problem of having only one star.

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I didn't feel like they were game planning around Ingram. Yes they are being physical but they aren't really sending double teams against him. Its just 1 on 1 physical playoff basketball and he hasn't responded well so far.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

He's not supposed to be getting locked up. He is supposed to be skilled enough to score more than 4 points in 17 minutes.

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Yep, he should be skilled enough to overcome it. No argument here. No excuses here.

What could help him however is getting him the ball on the move where he doesn't have to play one on one to beat exceptional defense. But If he isn't going to get that trough the coaching scheme, he needs to make more of an effort to be an asset to his team in other areas.

Of course its a tech on BI, of course

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Read the comment immediate above yours.

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Okay, I thought you were referencing my commentary.

That was a normal basketball play on BI. SGA's a flopper, as per.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Okay, I thought you were referencing my commentary.

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Nah, I'm just saying for years that's been the thing for BI, referring to the general arguments surrounding him.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Nah, I'm just saying for years that's been the thing for BI, referring to the general arguments surrounding him.

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Got it.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Yep, he should be skilled enough to overcome it. No argument here. No excuses here.

What could help him however is getting him the ball on the move where he doesn't have to play one on one to beat exceptional defense. But If he isn't going to get that trough the coaching scheme, he needs to make more of an effort to be an asset to his team in other areas.

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Yeah you're not wrong. They are really good on defense, so its easier said than done. But i do think in the nba you need some guys on your team who can just win 1 on 1 matchups. And BI is supposed to be that guy for us.

Now that I've spent the last several posts ********ting on BI, i will give him some props and say he's come out of the half looking more agressive

Sam Presti showing how to do a blow up and rebuild . This is how it is done.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spor...t/73391389007/

Guess who is hurt

Ingram has a tendency to catch and read. Against this team, he has to catch and go.

Ingram supporters ? Where you at now?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Ingram supporters ? Where you at now?

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What are you going on about??

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Originally Posted by Nichols

What are you going on about??

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that guy sucks

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Guess who is hurt

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Bodied by Chet Holmgren.

If BI doesn't come back and score 40 now, out of pure spite and pride, he should be sentenced to exile.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

that guy sucks

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I would not say he sucks. We could do better in offseason

Would be nice to see JV out there.

Dort tried to flop and the SGA tried to jump in to Nance, neither was successful so thats nice

This is rediculous yall

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

that guy sucks

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This kind of talk is silly.

Zion doing more work than Willie on the bench

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Originally Posted by Nichols

This kind of talk is silly.

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I guess it wasnt clear, I was saying that particular poster sucks

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Zion doing more work than Willie on the bench

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

I guess it wasnt clear, I was saying that particular poster sucks

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For what? Because Ingram is not the answer?

the refs are letting ingram get bodied .. its willie job to put ingram in the right spot for him to excel....ingram need to be on the block against okc if the refs are going to let okc be physical with him ..

Sam Presti making Griff look bad

So JV can open up this game for us scoring about 10 in a row. And now, he can't get much playing time.

And why don't we run more picks with Ingram and JV.. Or CJ and JV??

For all the complaining about BI getting bodied, he is being given a fairly generous whistle on offense. Lead both teams in FTAs by far.

Ingram woke up! This is what we have been waiting to see from him

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Originally Posted by Nichols

So JV can open up this game for us scoring about 10 in a row. And now, he can't get much playing time.

And why don't we run more picks with Ingram and JV.. Or CJ and JV??

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Preacchhh. Very good points

12 points in the quarter for BI and some defense too. Lets go

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

For all the complaining about BI getting bodied, he is being given a fairly generous whistle on offense. Lead both teams in FTAs by far.

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Agree there too. All the whining about officiating. Fact is we are getting butts kicked

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Originally Posted by Nichols

So JV can open up this game for us scoring about 10 in a row. And now, he can't get much playing time.

And why don't we run more picks with Ingram and JV.. Or CJ and JV??

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To be fair he went pretty cold after that early first quarter run

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Ingram woke up! This is what we have been waiting to see from him

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What I'd like to see happen is when he gets a pass off of a curl or off-ball screen and Dort recovers.. instead of trying to beat him one on one for a contested mid-range shot, pass. Keep moving, the same way Steph does, and again get a pass on the move.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

To be fair he went pretty cold after that early first quarter run

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He was probably gassed. We did milk him pretty good in that stretch. lol

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Originally Posted by Nichols

What I'd like to see happen is when he gets a pass off of a curl or off-ball screen and Dort recovers.. instead of trying to beat him one on one for a contested mid-range shot, pass. Keep moving, the same way Steph does, and again get a pass on the move.

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Yeah something other than contested mid ranges would be nice. Either getting to the rim or a 3

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

For all the complaining about BI getting bodied, he is being given a fairly generous whistle on offense. Lead both teams in FTAs by far.

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the point is,,just like last game, the physical play wears him out...getting the calls or not,the physical play wears him down...

And here's why I talk about coaching so much. What helped Ingram get in rhythm was catching the rock on the move and heading downhill. Last few possessions he's taken difficult shots on the perimeter. A real coach would explain to him what works, and what doesn't.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

the point is,,just like last game, the physical play wears him out...getting the calls or not,the physical play wears him down...

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We won’t get far in playoffs if we are not physical. Denver Nuggets don’t get tired.