2024 Trade Season/Signings !

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Ok well lets see what happens today as they are now saying they will put in his hands.
He will either show 'December Zion' for more than a month or still be the same player.

Time will tell.

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I would guess a career high 11 assists and the team scoring a franchise record 153 points gave you your answer?

One of my biggest issues with NBA fandom in general is, there are too many fans of "players" and not enough fans of "teams". Personally, if all 12 players on the team scored ten points each and we won, I'm happy. But all fans of players seem to care about is their favorite getting his numbers.

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

I would guess a career high 11 assists and the team scoring a franchise record 153 points gave you your answer?

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Definitely after one game I'm printing those shirts.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Definitely after one game I'm printing those shirts.

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Why does winning make you so miserable?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Why does winning make you so miserable?

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Because I am rational.
I said in the previous post "lets see how point Zion goes"
I didn't blow my load after one game, like some posters do.

They are the same posters who cry when they also lose 1 or 2 in a row.

I want to see point Zion for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I want to see point Zion for a few weeks.

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Well the good news is that we play the Thunder next game and then the Celtics next week and the Clippers the week after that, so at least we'll have games that count in your mind.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Well the good news is that we play the Thunder next game and then the Celtics next week and the Clippers the week after that, so at least we'll have games that count in your mind.

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And I hope they win all 3.

1, I know everyone loves Herb, as do I.
2. I realize many of you think Dyson is a keeper.

But ...

That is all salary wise it would take to get Dejounte Murray. Probably some picks added.

Is Murray, CJ, BI, Zion, JV, TM3, Hawk, Nance, Naji, Jose etc. a Contender ?
They would certainly be a very tough out if healthy!

I do not think this team will make any big trades before the deadline

Maybe a lateral move, but nothing that will bring this team to becoming a championship contending team this year.

The way I look at this team, as it stands currently, is maybe 2nd round of the playoffs as their ceiling.

That?s a win in my book

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

I do not think this team will make any big trades before the deadline

Maybe a lateral move, but nothing that will bring this team to becoming a championship contending team this year.

The way I look at this team, as it stands currently, is maybe 2nd round of the playoffs as their ceiling.

That?s a win in my book

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Exactly. I get it, if someone's a fan of the Celtics, or the Warriors or the Sixers, making the playoffs is just about automatic, and you want nothing less than a chip. I'd be happy to start with a half dozen consecutive years in the playoffs, a couple of series wins, and maybe a run to the WCF. Sure, I'd like a championship, but lets get to average first.

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Originally Posted by redrum

1, I know everyone loves Herb, as do I.
2. I realize many of you think Dyson is a keeper.

But ...

That is all salary wise it would take to get Dejounte Murray. Probably some picks added.

Is Murray, CJ, BI, Zion, JV, TM3, Hawk, Nance, Naji, Jose etc. a Contender ?
They would certainly be a very tough out if healthy!

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Herb Jones is just straight up a better basketball player than Dejounte Murray at this point.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Herb Jones is just straight up a better basketball player than Dejounte Murray at this point.

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If you say so....

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

I do not think this team will make any big trades before the deadline

Maybe a lateral move, but nothing that will bring this team to becoming a championship contending team this year.

The way I look at this team, as it stands currently, is maybe 2nd round of the playoffs as their ceiling.

That?s a win in my book

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I agree with you, there will not be any big moves. I just can't see what fringe moves the team needs.
Someone better than Nance, a PG better than Jose and Dyson, a shooter better than Hawkins ?
and at what price ?

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Originally Posted by redrum

I agree with you, there will not be any big moves. I just can't see what fringe moves the team needs.
Someone better than Nance, a PG better than Jose and Dyson, a shooter better than Hawkins ?
and at what price ?

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JV and Pels 2024 first for Onyeka Okongwu.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/2635571/

Matkovic coming over. I wonder if this is planned because one of the bigs is getting traded. Or, he is the one being traded.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

JV and Pels 2024 first for Onyeka Okongwu.

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Okongwu isn’t better than JV at all, and has a worse defensive rating this season. That’s a step backwards, but that’s just my opinion.

I do think this team WILL make a big move in the offseason, however

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Okongwu isn’t better than JV at all, and has a worse defensive rating this season. That’s a step backwards, but that’s just my opinion.

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Individual defensive rating is a bad metric because it's lineup dependent.

That said, I do think JV is better than Okongwu right now even though I like Okongwu's potential a lot. It would be a step backwards, at least in the short term.

Jonas has been really good for us and people are chomping at the bit to trade him + more assets for a center, it makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Jonas has been really good for us and people are chomping at the bit to trade him + more assets for a center, it makes no sense.

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It only does because the team has not extended him. Maybe they do not feel they can meet his salary demands or does not want him past this year. If either, they need to prepare for the future.

*Mega Trade Potential

We trade Ingram, Val, CJ, Daniels, and Lakers pick
We gain T. Young, Murray, and Poeltl

IMO Ingram has great work ethic (supposedly). However, he will sit games when his pinky hurts and disappears too many times in games. He is way too inconsistent for a vet player and quite frankly too laid back for a young team (some of you call that soft).

We can?t afford Val next year most likely but i still like him as a fit for the most part. We should at least try and get something for him while we can.

CJ is just not a point guard, inconsistent, and does not seem to light a fire under the younger guys like he was brought in to do. We all read the interviews about how he does it behind the scenes but the players are just not responding to his leadership on the court in big games.

I would be good with switching out Ingram for Zion and not trading the first round Lakers pick.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2xccsjqf

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylk43mwb

Toronto does it to get an expiring and maybe get a discount on Val in the offseason to go back where he started. They also get a young player with potential on an aging team.

Hawks do it because the current roster looks good on paper but just do not mesh on the court (kind of like the guys we are trading). They get to start fresh with two vets who can score and get another potential lottery pick. They have their own and could get the Kings pick if it falls outside of the lottery. By the time Ingram and CJ?s contract is up, they should have a solid young team and a ton of cap space as lagniappe.


Would you do it? Why and why not?

Yes, i did the trade in NBA 2K and the Pels are unstoppable.


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

*Mega Trade Potential

We trade Ingram, Val, CJ, Daniels, and Lakers pick
We gain T. Young, Murray, and Poeltl

IMO Ingram has great work ethic (supposedly). However, he will sit games when his pinky hurts and disappears too many times in games. He is way too inconsistent for a vet player and quite frankly too laid back for a young team (some of you call that soft).

We can?t afford Val next year most likely but i still like him as a fit for the most part. We should at least try and get something for him while we can.

CJ is just not a point guard, inconsistent, and does not seem to light a fire under the younger guys like he was brought in to do. We all read the interviews about how he does it behind the scenes but the players are just not responding to his leadership on the court in big games.

I would be good with switching out Ingram for Zion and not trading the first round Lakers pick.

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2xccsjqf

https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylk43mwb

Toronto does it to get an expiring and maybe get a discount on Val in the offseason to go back where he started. They also get a young player with potential on an aging team.

Hawks do it because the current roster looks good on paper but just do not mesh on the court (kind of like the guys we are trading). They get to start fresh with two vets who can score and get another potential lottery pick. They have their own and could get the Kings pick if it falls outside of the lottery. By the time Ingram and CJ?s contract is up, they should have a solid young team and a ton of cap space as lagniappe.


Would you do it? Why and why not?

Yes, i did the trade in NBA 2K and the Pels are unstoppable.


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Links don't work. Fanspo works better for trades anyway.

The problem with Dejounte is that he's basically CJ if you look at stats, and while his defense years ago was very good, he's been terrible the last couple years. So, he is five years younger and has slightly better contract extension #s, but I don't see that being "the" move. I kind of like the idea of Trae Young though, even though his defense is also terrible.

Dont want Trey Young.

The argument for Trae is his energy, scoring and very high assist #s.

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Originally Posted by donato

The problem with Dejounte is that he's basically CJ if you look at stats, and while his defense years ago was very good, he's been terrible the last couple years. So, he is five years younger and has slightly better contract extension #s, but I don't see that being "the" move. I kind of like the idea of Trae Young though, even though his defense is also terrible.

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Trae is not realistic. Murray appears to be someone who can be acquired as a relative bargain right now. I do not see any comparisons to CJ. He is a bigger guard with decent handles who can facilitate. He is a much better defender than CJ. CJ is a much better shooter and plays better off the ball. Murray is also on a reasonable contract for several years.

Young/Murray has flopped as a backcourt to the point that the Hawks may unload Murray after trading so much to get him...and we'd want to replicate that flop here? That seems...pointless. Also, ATL is not trading Young.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Trae is not realistic. Murray appears to be someone who can be acquired as a relative bargain right now. I do not see any comparisons to CJ. He is a bigger guard with decent handles who can facilitate. He is a much better defender than CJ. CJ is a much better shooter and plays better off the ball. Murray is also on a reasonable contract for several years.

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CJ is a terrible defender, that much I can agree. Murray's defensive rating has been even worse though since his stint with Atlanta. They're not super similar, but statistically speaking they are very similar in many regards.

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Originally Posted by donato

The argument for Trae is his energy, scoring and very high assist #s.

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The argument for Trae is that the Pelicans are seemingly able to manage a decent defensive team every year regardless of who is available, even when many of the players who get high minutes are either outright awful defenders individually (CJ, Hawkins) or at least very hit or miss (Zion, BI, JV). Therefore if you think you can trust the team defense to be good enough, Trae guarantees us something we desperately need: someone who will actually be given the ball and make plays, and therefore buoy or consistently drowning offense.

The problem is that Trae is reportedly something of an irritant to other players because he's such a ball-hog that it forces everyone else into a secondary, or tertiary role. Is Trae Young extremely good? Yes. Is he so good that I would be happy essentially forfeiting the possibility of anyone else being better? Not really.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

Young/Murray has flopped as a backcourt to the point that the Hawks may unload Murray after trading so much to get him...and we'd want to replicate that flop here? That seems...pointless. Also, ATL is not trading Young.

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So Murray was a flop? Hawks have not been very good for a while and had to unload Collins and Huerter for cap reasons. Murray is still a good player and could likely be had for a fraction of what the Hawks paid for him. Now, if he is a locker room issue or a malcontent, I would not want him at any cost.

I?d take D Murray for B Ingram and not having to give him a max contract.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I?d take D Murray for B Ingram and not having to give him a max contract.

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BI is worth more than that.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

BI is worth more than that.

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To who? He is an inconsistent mid range scorer that is about to want a max contract. Nobody is emptying the kitchen sink for him. How about BI and JV for Murray and Capella?

PG:Murray/Daniels/Alvarado
SG: McCullum/Hawkins
SF: Jones/Murphy
PF: Zion/Marshall
C: Capela/Nance

It’s been a while since I have posted here so firstly I wanna say Hello to all the OGs here!!
Wether you love me or hate me I have missed all of you..
I’ll introduce myself to those who don’t know me..
To be short and sweet I talk like I know it all ”sometimes” and that’s just me being humble because I do know it all!!
Anyways Howdy Fellas!!

After watching us play the Raptors I was reminded of Chris Boucher who is someone I have always liked and think he would be a solid fit off our bench backing up Zion at PF and even able to fill in at Center often despite his slender frame..
Now by no means is he the answer but we need a backup PF for Zion and Boucher would fill that need..
The Raptors are barely using him this season and when he gets minutes the guy produces..
His skill set would be a good fit in our system as well for whatever minutes we find for him..
I don’t know how much he would play here because imo Murphy and Hawkins need as many minutes as we can get them which entails Murphy playing a lot at PF..
On nights Zion is out, matchup purposes, or some minutes at Center imo Boucher would be a solid fit here!!

A trade swap for Murray and CJ would take this team to a new level and fit right in with the ages of our team as CJ is on the decline and Murray is entering his prime..
In this trade both teams would benefit from this deal as Murray is more of a PG who is being used as a SG next to
Trae and CJ is a SG playing PG here out of necessity..
Murray is much better at running the show and would be the perfect compliment to guys like BI and Zion who can handle the duties some as well which is why CJ is able to fit..
The problem with CJ is sometimes we need someone who can be a true PG and he is just not that guy while Murray is capable of those duties and due to who we have surrounding him he won’t be asked to solely set everyone up..
In ATL Trae has the ball all game and rightfully so but Murray has to play off of him all game which just isn’t his the style or maximizing the best of his abilities..
Then we get to defense where the guy was a menace and if you think he just lost that ability at age 27 you need to stop relying just off analytics when analyzing a player..
Murray is in the conversation as the best 2 way PG in the NBA and having him next to Herb would be one hell of a duo where not only would he benefit playing next to Herb because defense is contagious but PG is where he has all of his physical advantages being a huge factor..

I could see Murrray averaging 21ppg/9apg/7rpg/2spg as an all NBA caliber defender and surrounded by the most talent he’s ever had while a guy like him is built for the playoffs..
I love the roster and potential lineups with Murray..
Maybe we can ship Jonas our with some added teams to the trade and add center Onyeka Okongwu?!

Murray/Dyson/Jose/Hawkins
Herb/Hawkins/Trey/Dyson
BI/Trey/Hawkins
Zion/Trey / ?Boucher?
?Jonas?/Nance / ?Okongwu?

BI is not getting traded. He is the Pelicans. Utter folly.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral

The New Orleans Pelicans are a sleeper team for Dejounte Murray, per @ChrisBHaynes

https://i.ibb.co/fdcFHSD/fanspo-nba-...3-39-07-PM.png

Mills and Matthews are to make the salaries match more. They are both expiring and/or could be waived.

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Originally Posted by Pierre Pelican

BI is not getting traded. He is the Pelicans. Utter folly.

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Sadly, I agree that Griff seems to see it this way. I'm pretty sure that, barring some stupid trade that nobody would ever make, BI is staying a Pelican and he is getting that $50m+ a year contract.

That contract might well be an albatross rather than a Pelican, but I think it's coming either way.

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral

The New Orleans Pelicans are a sleeper team for Dejounte Murray, per @ChrisBHaynes

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Over/under on the odds that Chris Haynes reads pelsreport?

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Originally Posted by donato

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Das a bad trade.

How about

CJ McCullum
JV
Dyson Daniels
Laker 1st

For

Murray
Capela
Patty Mills

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Das a bad trade.

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explain


Herb/Nance/Okungwu/Matković
Zion/Nance/Okungwu/Matković/Robinson-Earl/Liddell
BI/Ryan/Herb
CJ/Hawkins/Jose/Seabron
Murray/Hawkins/Jose

CJ is not only the veteran leader on an immature team, he's also playing very very good basketball. It's not adivisible to make that trade.

If you can move CJ and that big contract, I’d be all for it.

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Originally Posted by donato

explain


Herb/Nance/Okungwu/Matković
Zion/Nance/Okungwu/Matković/Robinson-Earl/Liddell
BI/Ryan/Herb
CJ/Hawkins/Jose/Seabron
Murray/Hawkins/Jose

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You're trading Trey - who is currently in a slump but otherwise shows all the signs of growing into an all-star level wing scorer and one of the league's best shooters - along with top-100 player in JV, and our second best defender (Dyson), in order to get non-needle mover Dejounte Murray whose defense has fallen off a cliff since going to Atlanta and Okongwu, who I like but who I do not think is currently on JV's level as a player and makes our rebounding issues worse as a downgrade to JV. And we'd be the ones giving up a first, even if it's protected.

We get smaller, despite rebounding being one of our only consistent issues, and we lose both defense and shooting somehow.

Also, Okongwu's due for his extension off the rookie deal, so you're going to have to pay him soon. Yes, we have to pay Trey too, but who would I rather pay? Trey seems the obvious answer to me.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You're trading Trey - who is currently in a slump but otherwise shows all the signs of growing into an all-star level wing scorer and one of the league's best shooters - along with top-100 player in JV, and our second best defender (Dyson), in order to get non-needle mover Dejounte Murray whose defense has fallen off a cliff since going to Atlanta and Okongwu, who I like but who I do not think is currently on JV's level as a player and makes our rebounding issues worse as a downgrade to JV. And we'd be the ones giving up a first, even if it's protected.

We get smaller, despite rebounding being one of our only consistent issues, and we lose both defense and shooting somehow.

Also, Okongwu's due for his extension off the rookie deal, so you're going to have to pay him soon. Yes, we have to pay Trey too, but who would I rather pay? Trey seems the obvious answer to me.

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Murray is cost controlled. We may not be able to afford Jonas. You’re looking at what, $25m a year on Trey hoping he can do something else but shoot. Okungwu already signed the extension. He’s signed through 2028 for an average of 15.5m/yr.

I do agree Murray’s defense has fallen off a cliff and I can only assume we think we can improve that. Rebounding would be a concern, agree there.

This man said Brandon is inconsistent from mid range some statements just disqualify you to speak on certain subjects