November 29th - New Orleans Pelicans vs Philadelphia 76ers - 9-9

Pels Timeout.

Again, good timeout. A few good TOs from Green this game

What the hell

I get the mentality of ''just sit guys, it's the 4th and we're up 20, should be able to garbage time it'' but the Sixers aren't a team that does that, they want wins so they're going to fight. If they were Chicago or something it might be okay but tonight the guys are just going to have to close it out or they will force a comeback and no one wants that.

Need to keep giving Dyson minutes despite everything

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Need to keep giving Dyson minutes despite everything

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I don't understand the hate the last few games honestly. Yes the 3pt shooting has been poor, but he was shooting well above his averages so everyone should have expected him to have a few ''back to earth'' games, and outside of shooting he's been great still. Amazing defense, rebounding well, making good passes, what more do people want from a 20 year old? He's still 20 until March.

I like Jose but I think we’ve seen his ceiling

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

I like Jose but I think we’ve seen his ceiling

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I think we've not seen enough to judge definitively this season. Comes back after like 9 months off with injury, so is obviously rusty, and then tonight gets injured at least a bit in the first half. Hard to really judge too intensely.

You weren’t kidding about the 6ers being bad defensively

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

You weren’t kidding about the 6ers being bad defensively

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Yeah they're bad and without Embiid, they're even worse. Got what we wanted all game.

Haven’t watched Wemby play yet so I’ll be curious to see the hype. I’ve been joking that he’s the next Ralph Samson.

Pels win 124-114

Zion - 33/8/6 with 3 steals on 143.1% TS
BI - 15/4/6 with a steal and a block on 103.8% TS
CJ - 20/3/5 with 2 steals and a block on 61.9% TS (great way to come back)
JV - 19/6/3 on 104% TS

Herb's 5 turnovers is really the only blemish on the starting lineup. Everyone was at least a +10 tonight.

I thought BI played pretty good help defense

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

Haven’t watched Wemby play yet so I’ll be curious to see the hype. I’ve been joking that he’s the next Ralph Samson.

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He's phenomenal and does things that shouldn't be possible for someone of his size but he's also clearly still adjusting so it's a weird combination between him breaking everything you think is possible and then also just normal rookie stuff.

His outside game may give Jonas fits

Players to score 33+ points in a single game without recording a missed field goal:

Wilt Chamberlain (3x)
Nikola Jokic
Bailey Howell
Zion Williamson

— Will Guillory (@WillGuillory) November 30, 2023

Zion finished the game 11/11 from the floor and 11/12 from the FT line

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I get the mentality of ''just sit guys, it's the 4th and we're up 20, should be able to garbage time it'' but the Sixers aren't a team that does that, they want wins so they're going to fight. If they were Chicago or something it might be okay but tonight the guys are just going to have to close it out or they will force a comeback and no one wants that.

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I had a feeling starters would come back. Nurse doesn?t let them quit. Especially not against a team that is known for blowing leads. Pels own reputation is why they can never relax.

11/11 is the most shots without a miss in Pelicans franchise history.

The last time someone had 33 points on 100% shooting was Jokic in 2018; the last time before that was Wilt in 1969.

Pels are 5-1 in Zion's last 6 games, he's averaging 28/4.8/5.7 on 71.4% shooting.

BI and Zion have now played more games together this season than they did last season total - it is still November.

Game Recap: pic.twitter.com/k3SFZbgnhe

— Larry Nance (@Larrydn22) November 30, 2023

Until we learn how to close out teams, especially teams that are crippled...we will continue to be an "also ran".

We were outscored in the second half by 10 and yielded 114 points to Joel Embiid-less 76'er team. That's sorry!!!

Don't be fooled by the occasional steal; you play defense with your feet.

We are good for five to seven minutes a night of 'stupid' play.

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To be fair, all Pelicans shot attempts either came from 3-point range or in the lane during the first half. https://t.co/J5Avct3PnF pic.twitter.com/tUBBEvgu9l

— Oleh Kosel ���� (@OlehKosel) November 30, 2023

This shot chart is basically just a dream

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This obviously works for us, but we have to take those midrangers against bad teams in order to lose some games, we can't allow ourselves to be on top of the West standings....:confused:

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This obviously works for us, but we have to take those midrangers against bad teams in order to lose some games, we can't allow ourselves to be on top of the West standings....:confused:

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There are times taking the midranger is good. It depends on matchups and what's going.

But yeah, midrangers should be something you go to in order to maximise a specific mis-match, or as a bailout for broken plays. They're useful to have but your offense shouldn't be aiming for them. Tonight they didn't force us into anything uncomfortable so there's no real reason to go to the midrange.

"I don't think we have a ceiling... We just need to become elite with the small nuances of the game"

-- Zion Williamson on the team's ceiling pic.twitter.com/I9yWNjO2St

— Pelicans Film Room (@PelsFilmRoom) November 30, 2023

"I think I live for stuff like that... There ain't no tomorrow. We gotta figure this out right now. That's when you see the best in people"

-- Zion on the Win or Go Home scenario pic.twitter.com/8PyC48y1Xp

— Pelicans Film Room (@PelsFilmRoom) November 30, 2023

It's amazing how this team can play well and win against good teams, but fails and loses against weak ones. Weak mentality??

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Until we learn how to close out teams, especially teams that are crippled...we will continue to be an "also ran".

We were outscored in the second half by 10 and yielded 114 points to Joel Embiid-less 76'er team. That's sorry!!!

Don't be fooled by the occasional steal; you play defense with your feet.

We are good for five to seven minutes a night of 'stupid' play.

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This is what you take away from tonight? No positives at all huh. Geez.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

This is what you take away from tonight? No positives at all huh. Geez.

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We beat a very average team (no MVP) at home.

Last three games we are 1-2 against teams playing without their best player(s)...one team only winning four games this season, UNTIL US.

In those games we have given up an average of 111 points per game. This screams that we are struggling defensively.

Look, you can close your eyes to the warts on this team if you choose....rose-colored glasses will do that for the average supporter. On the other hand, I focus on the big picture...not the scoreboard...not a snapshot in time...not even, the team's record. This team is weak...weak...weak defensively. There is no getting around it.

I don't begrudge you your view, allow me mine. I will always call it AISI.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

We beat a very average team (no MVP) at home.

Last three games we are 1-2 against teams playing without their best player(s)...one team only winning four games this season, UNTIL US.

In those games we have given up an average of 111 points per game. This screams that we are struggling defensively.

Look, you can close your eyes to the warts on this team if you choose....rose-colored glasses will do that for the average supporter. On the other hand, I focus on the big picture...not the scoreboard...not a snapshot in time...not even, the team's record. This team is weak...weak...weak defensively. There is no getting around it.

I don't begrudge you your view, allow me mine. I will always call it AISI.

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On top of that, they don’t seem to show urgency in that area. This team has an incredible confidence for being one game over 500. Outside of Herb, the starters have no defense. That’s a tough situation. Even if you decide to start Dyson over CJ, they will still give up points because they can’t score. The best bet would be to hope that Dyson can learn to score and Hawk can learn to defend. The coaches need to be putting in a lot of work right now. Almost every Pels player has a blaring weakness that can be easily identified. I get some of it is not coachable, but the vast majority is. I still don’t get why they don’t run Dyson in the PNR, if he has that floater down. Instead, he's a spot up.

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This is what you take away from tonight? No positives at all huh. Geez.

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You do realize that he’s just doing an act right? For some reason he’s decided he’s going to be the anti Zion guy, and he plays the part consistently no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

You do realize that he’s just doing an act right? For some reason he’s decided he’s going to be the anti Zion guy, and he plays the part consistently no matter what.

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No act my friend. I call it AISI...even when 'glassman' was here.

Since YOU mentioned his name (not me): If you enjoy your one-dimensional 'superstar' playing on one side of the court and playing 'matador' defense on the other, good for you. He's extraordinarily lazy on defense. Defense requires work and effort...he seems adverse to those concepts. The coaches have started to recognize this by taking him out to close out quarters when we are on defense. I guess they are anti-#197, too. If you opened your eyes, you might see things as they are instead of how you want them to be.

I'm sure last night's game makes you feel good and hopeful....I see, yet, another month of losing basketball (6-7).

Where's PF? It seems he's nowhere to be found.

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Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni

You do realize that he?s just doing an act right? For some reason he?s decided he?s going to be the anti Zion guy, and he plays the part consistently no matter what.

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An Insufferably Salty Insight: AISI

The act has gotten way too old here. People want to ********** after a win because we only won by 10. Some will ********** no matter what. They did not notice that the Sixers kept the starters in when down by 20. A star player plays well and they find something to complain about. It has gotten old and tired.

The 76'er Starters were a combined -80 (no one had a positive +/-). Two starters played less than 20 minutes...one less than 15.

The 76'er Reserves were a combined +30 (no one had a negative +/-). Two played more than 25 minutes.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

The 76'er Starters were a combined -80 (no one had a positive +/-). Two starters played less than 20 minutes...one less than 15.

The 76'er Reserves were a combined +30 (no one had a negative +/-). Two played more than 25 minutes.

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So you didn't watch the game? Those 2 minutes Korkmaz played and got a +6 were key.

Willie was probably hoping that he would not have to bring the starters back in, but Nurse had not thrown in the towel yet, to his credit.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So you didn't watch the game? Those 2 minutes Korkmaz played and got a +6 were key.

Willie was probably hoping that he would not have to bring the starters back in, but Nurse had not thrown in the towel yet, to his credit.

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Oh, I watched the game, for sure.

Help me out here, though, isn't Korkmaz (certainly not a starter) a guy averaging less than five minutes a game over the last month? Seems to me that if Nurse was playing Korkmaz, Nurse was throwing in the towel.

If I'm wrong. I stand corrected.

There?s optimism New Orleans sharpshooter Trey Murphy III will make his season debut on Friday vs. the Spurs, sources tell me and @WillGuillory. The talented young guard has made fully recovery from a September meniscus tear and will bring a major boost to the Pelicans. pic.twitter.com/iq0EumoSaY

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 30, 2023

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There?s optimism New Orleans sharpshooter Trey Murphy III will make his season debut on Friday vs. the Spurs, sources tell me and @WillGuillory. The talented young guard has made fully recovery from a September meniscus tear and will bring a major boost to the Pelicans. pic.twitter.com/iq0EumoSaY

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 30, 2023

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This is great news!!!

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There?s optimism New Orleans sharpshooter Trey Murphy III will make his season debut on Friday vs. the Spurs, sources tell me and @WillGuillory. The talented young guard has made fully recovery from a September meniscus tear and will bring a major boost to the Pelicans. pic.twitter.com/iq0EumoSaY

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 30, 2023

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Just came to post this.

Super looking forward to it. At some point we're going to play Zion with CJ, Hawkins, and Trey even if just for five minutes and the offense is going to hit like crack.

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Originally Posted by donato

There?s optimism New Orleans sharpshooter Trey Murphy III will make his season debut on Friday vs. the Spurs, sources tell me and @WillGuillory. The talented young guard has made fully recovery from a September meniscus tear and will bring a major boost to the Pelicans. pic.twitter.com/iq0EumoSaY

? Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 30, 2023

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Finally !! :2thumb2:

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So you didn't watch the game? Those 2 minutes Korkmaz played and got a +6 were key.

Willie was probably hoping that he would not have to bring the starters back in, but Nurse had not thrown in the towel yet, to his credit.

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I don’t think he was being negative just a realist. Why Willie takes his foot off the gas and goes into this prevent defense? I remember when Monty would do this in 3rd QTR years ago. Now Willie is doing it on 4th QTR. Come spring we might be wishing we had that Timberwolves victory at home that we blew a double digit lead earlier in the month.

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— TMIII (@treymurphy) November 30, 2023

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I don’t think he was being negative just a realist. Why Willie takes his foot off the gas and goes into this prevent defense? I remember when Monty would do this in 3rd QTR years ago. Now Willie is doing it on 4th QTR. Come spring we might be wishing we had that Timberwolves victory at home that we blew a double digit lead earlier in the month.

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It is extremely normal to sit your starters and empty the bench when you're up 20+ halfway through the fourth quarter. Don't get me wrong, I have issues with Green and have been vocal about them but there was nothing unusual or stupid about that. Normally benches hold that lead because the other team typically conceded the game and rolls out their own bench at that point as well. It's not Greens fault that our bench threw it away, or that Nurse is the kind of guy who plays his starters killer minutes.

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Just came to post this.

Super looking forward to it. At some point we're going to play Zion with CJ, Hawkins, and Trey even if just for five minutes and the offense is going to hit like crack.

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I’m hoping that Willie doesn’t start to shelf Hawkins when Trey comes back. Willie hates defensive lapses and Hawkins has made some. Hopefully Willie will see the benefit of having two very good spot up shooters around Zion and BI.

Maybe if Zion promises to play no defense and Dyson promises to play no offense, the NBA will let us play 6 guys at a time to help out with the numbers crunch we're about to be hit with.

Finally, the Pels best player is back. Plenty of shooters now.

Love having Trey back. Let’s go on a winning streak now. Just win

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Oh, I watched the game, for sure.

Help me out here, though, isn't Korkmaz (certainly not a starter) a guy averaging less than five minutes a game over the last month? Seems to me that if Nurse was playing Korkmaz, Nurse was throwing in the towel.

If I'm wrong. I stand corrected.

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Sure, those last 2 minutes of the game. He threw in the towel with just under 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I don’t think he was being negative just a realist. Why Willie takes his foot off the gas and goes into this prevent defense? I remember when Monty would do this in 3rd QTR years ago. Now Willie is doing it on 4th QTR. Come spring we might be wishing we had that Timberwolves victory at home that we blew a double digit lead earlier in the month.

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Blew multiple double digit leads already. I always feel
Like regret happens the last week of every season and that’s the topic of discussion.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

This is what you take away from tonight? No positives at all huh. Geez.

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Hoo you must be as exuberant as ever after hearing the Murphy news. Nothing more positive than that.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I don’t think he was being negative just a realist. Why Willie takes his foot off the gas and goes into this prevent defense? I remember when Monty would do this in 3rd QTR years ago. Now Willie is doing it on 4th QTR. Come spring we might be wishing we had that Timberwolves victory at home that we blew a double digit lead earlier in the month.

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welcome back lol...its been a long time..