I can see a closeout lineup of Graham/NAW/BI/Trey/Zion with Zion playing point and everyone spacing. Thats some good shooting to have around Z.
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10-06-2021, 09:16 PMImpose
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10-06-2021, 09:17 PMsterlrEither Jonas or Graham depending who we're playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Impose
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10-06-2021, 09:18 PMragincaucasian
We knew this before the season started, but seriously get rid of Garrett Temple. Seriously. He is a wasted roster spot.
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10-06-2021, 09:18 PMPELSGIRL
This third unit is a very spirited bunch. I like it.
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10-06-2021, 09:19 PMwuggie
Trey Murphy has great potential. Certified sniper
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10-06-2021, 09:19 PMPELSGIRL
Alvarado and #34 esp.
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10-06-2021, 09:20 PMPelicanidae
Trey Murphy through 2 preseason games: 12/19 from 3. 9.5 attempts per game, shooting 63.1% in 29.5 minutes per game.
So he's taking 12 attempts per 36 and shooting 63.1% on them.
Obviously he's not going to shoot 63.1% from 3 for a full season, but if he can even hit 38% on that kind of volume, that's a historically good rookie shooting season in terms of volume and efficiency together. -
10-06-2021, 09:21 PMJJackisangry
The thing that stands out to me apart from NAW being himself is Trey is actually looking good and ready to contribute already
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10-06-2021, 09:24 PMragincaucasianYeah, im surprised he is THIS good already. Usually it takes time to get acclimated. Dude was ready from the jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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10-06-2021, 09:25 PMluckyman
I had a list of players I was hoping they could pick. After they all went Trey was next. So I was never disappointed at all with the pick.
But nobody could have predicted this. It's not just the sniping. He's also 6'9" with hops and plays solid defense.
Trey and Herb is a hell of a draft so far.
And last year wasn't too bad either. Another good game from Kira. -
10-06-2021, 09:25 PMEman5805
Being someone defenses need to fear already will be a huge bonus. Put him and Zion on the same side of the court and...you can run that action all game.
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10-06-2021, 09:28 PMPELSGIRLOne thing for sure, Griff has done great on the three drafts. Zion, Jaxson, NAW, Kira, Trey and Herb. He may have other flaws but can't say he hasn't hit on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman
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10-06-2021, 09:29 PMSilverfoxxNo they haven't, I'm just expecting them to be cautious with Zion especially since he isn't even doing running drills yet and we are 14 days away from the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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10-06-2021, 09:30 PMPelicanidaeAssuming NAW's shooting holds up, and that Graham returns to form, lmao at defenses having to potentially defend a Graham/NAW/Trey/Zion unit. The 5th guy could be a number of people depending on specific matchups, you could imagine JV, Jax, Ingram, Naji, etc, all slotting into that 5th spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
Zion + 3 guys who can shoot 38% or better from 3 on high volume, and they all have a quick trigger. Ouch. Yikes.
And the defense wouldn't even have to be that bad in return (which is usually the price you pay for going with insane offensive units) - Graham is fine as a PG defender, NAW and Trey are both actively good, and Zion had improved by the end of last season to being only a slight negative. Depending on the 5th guy especially, the defense with that lineup would be totally workable. -
10-06-2021, 09:38 PMAD-AT
How much does Zion (and BI for that matter) improve on D just purely by not having to exert so much energy to create everything for him on offense this year?
We all know he has defensive talent, especially as help. But last year he just looked like he was exhausted on D and letting things blow by him to save the energy. And obviously no one can say anything when you are putting 40 up the other way with no help. -
10-06-2021, 09:51 PM6warddude
the board is calm tonight and trey will represent us in the 3pt shooting contest all star weekend...
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10-06-2021, 10:16 PMpelicanchamp
Trey Murphy is going to help the PELS win. He?s the best 3 and D player in the draft. I think he should come off the bench for BI. I?d have him shoot 10 threes a night. Seriously. Put him in with Zion, Jonas, Hart, and Graham. I really think have elite rebounders will make the offense super deadly with Trey shooting 3s all night.
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10-06-2021, 10:25 PMPELSGIRL
I don't think it matters who starts, what matters is who finishes esp in tough game situations and yes the combo of NAW, Trey, Zion and BI w/ JV or Graham will prob be out there then, when needed the most. NAW should come off the bench b/c he will be the spark plug needed and the starting should be Graham, BI, Zion, Naji and JV b/c Naji is the defense spark plug for 4 great shooters then NAW comes in and fires up the bench along w/ Trey, Hart, Jaxson and Herb. Kira and Hernangomez will get in the games rotationally and/or if someone gets hurt.
I'm loving the depth. That's 12 players that can go for you and we still have Sato and Temple. -
10-06-2021, 10:58 PMPelifan
hate to doompost after a win where the young players looked good, but the fact the pelicans took Herb over Jared Butler is going to haunt me for a while.
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10-06-2021, 11:05 PMluckymanThey didnt draft Herb "over" Jared Butler. They could have took BOTH. That stings a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelifan
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10-06-2021, 11:10 PMAusPelWe had that pick but Griffin sold it the ************Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelifan
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10-06-2021, 11:19 PMAUSSIE_PELICANSunk cost. Something these GM's dont realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
For some reason they think that Didi deserved a contract.
I dont see what skill he has in the NBA. He was barley good enough in the NBL.
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10-06-2021, 11:20 PMPelicanidae
Pels through the 2 preseason games so far and where these would have ranked overall last season.
ORTG: 105.96 - 27th in the NBA
DRTG: 98.0 - 1st in the NBA
The strange things small sample sizes in preseason can do.
The plus side is that our offense has a very obvious source of scoring at our weakest area (paint, so far in preseason) ready to come back soon. In fact, the most intense paint scoring threat of the era. So that should work out well. -
10-06-2021, 11:20 PMPelicanidae
While we're at the doomposting over the draft stage, Sharife Cooper has looked real good too.
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10-06-2021, 11:33 PMTaker597Well... Atleast we can agree now that passing on probably the only promising 2nd rounds in like ten years due covid forcing players to skip the 2020 draft was wack.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 12:01 AMPelicanidaeDon't know what you mean by ''we can agree now'', I was lamenting not getting Butler or Sharife at the time :hihi:Quote:
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10-07-2021, 12:30 AMTaker597I was talking about poster that where like "2nd round picks don?t amount to anything. Blah. Blah" ...Quote:
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It's Just crazy how great that draft was. NBA was overdue for a big draft, anyway.
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10-07-2021, 12:36 AMPelicanidaeI mean, in fairness to them we are talking about summer league and pre-season. Before the definitive stuff can come around we have to wait at least a little while: if Butler and Cooper and co are still contributing effective NBA minutes in January, there's a bit more room to be the ''I told you so'' types.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 12:45 AMSnarly
It's nice to know that we have several guys outside of Zion and BI who can explode for big scoring nights. Graham, NAW, Murphy, and Jonas are guys who can really get hot and light it up.
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10-07-2021, 09:46 AMPELICANSFANHopefully they can do it on a somewhat consistent basis (at least 1-2 of them).Quote:
Originally Posted by Snarly
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10-07-2021, 10:44 AMpelafanaticJonas was the most consistently good player on a playoff team last season. As long as he stays healthy, I have a ton of confidence in himQuote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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10-07-2021, 10:45 AMpelafanatic
NAW put in some serious work on his body over the offseason to go along with his movement shooting. Dude is legit jacked now at 6'7. That's scary
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10-07-2021, 01:25 PMJJackisangry
Very curious to see how NAW and Murphy play once the lights are on and the crowd is roaring. Very different between preseason and regular season games but promising signs from both.
My prediction: As long as we avoid getting out-hustled and the effort is there I think we take most of the lower league games. That was our Achilles-heel last season. We performed well against the better teams because we showed up for those games and we technically have the players to match up with them. Now that we added a few pieces I am curious to see if we take that next step. Our defense does not need to be incredible- they just need to show up at the right moments and we have to take care of the ball. We have the offensive talent to carry us. -
10-07-2021, 04:34 PMTennMan23
I think Coach Willie will make sure the effort is there. That’s one of his must have’s and I don’t believe he would hesitate to sit a guy if he’s not given it to the team.
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10-07-2021, 05:43 PMFuncrusherunrelated, but, R.I.P Metal VillianQuote:
Originally Posted by ragincaucasian
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10-07-2021, 05:46 PMFuncrusherc'mon man. Please don't throw stuff like this out there unless you have sources, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Silverfoxx
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10-07-2021, 06:44 PMTaker597I mean... He has a legitimate reason to be skeptical of "Zion Timetable returns" goes...Quote:
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10-07-2021, 06:54 PMAs I See ItThe difference between the first game and November is less than two weeks (12 Days). Especially with two back-to-backs scheduled during that time, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him held out or at least not playing in back-to-backs. Like it or not, during his short career he has established a history.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 07:05 PMragincaucasianAhhh, 1 person got the reference.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 07:11 PMEman5805Definition: supervillain. A killer who loves children. Well skilled in destruction as well as buildin'.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 07:18 PMAusPelI still don't get itQuote:
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10-07-2021, 07:28 PMragincaucasianOK, now 2. You guys are googling this aren't you.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 07:29 PMragincaucasian.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
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10-07-2021, 07:39 PMEman5805Nah. MF DOOM was one of my favorite artists and it broke my heart when I found he passed. First caught on when Adult Swim had him host a Christmas special and then I bought Danger Doom because of the Aqua Teen track on it.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 08:07 PMragincaucasianHalloween 2020. Coming up on 1 year.Quote:
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10-07-2021, 08:57 PMFreyfamilyreuni
I finally got around to watching this game. (I was pleasantly surprised it recorded). Quick takeaways:
NAW: He’s definitely matured both physically and mentally. His confidence seems a lot better. That’s always been his limitation, he gets way too down on himself. But I like his game. Fingers crossed, he should be a big upgrade over Lonzo Ball as the starting 2 guard. He doesn’t have the serious flaws in his game that Lonzo has.
Trey: I like his stroke, his confidence and his off the ball movement. His on the ball movement, not so much, and he needs to take better care of the ball. He definitely seems a lot more mature than the typical rookie. A lot more mature. I would probably hold off putting him the starting lineup though, that’s asking a little bit too much. I think he’s probably going to struggle a bit defensively, especially if he’s asked to guard starting NBA guards.
Kira: This board has been pretty down on him, but I thought he looked ok in this game. It’s fairly obvious that he’s our only true “point” guard on this team, so hopefully things will start to slow down for him a bit. He played under control and hit a couple of contested outside shots when he had to.
Jonas: I was really impressed with this guy. He’s got a real nice touch, soft hands, good rebounder, and good vision. I’m kind of surprised that Memphis gave him up so easily. (Of course being the NBA, it probably has something to do with his contract or some other nonsense that I care nothing about). He was also a lot more physically imposing than I remember him being. He kind of gives us the positives of Steven Adams without a lot of Adams’ negatives.
Graham. Didn’t really see enough of him to form an opinion. Kind of just looked like another guy to me.
Overall, I liked our energy, and I liked our basic drive and dish game. We actually looked like a modern NBA team, even if we were missing a bunch of shots early on.
Which brings me to Willie Green. I like his presence. He looks the part of an NBA coach. And I thought his timeouts came at appropriate times. The players seem to like playing for him, which is the polar opposite of Stan Van Grundy. They really seemed to dislike that guy. -
10-07-2021, 11:18 PMFuncrusherlmao. bro, do you not see my pfp/pfn? I know just about every rapper/rap group there is (well, NOT EVERY, but...)Quote:
Originally Posted by ragincaucasian
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10-07-2021, 11:21 PMFuncrusherHonestly hit me worse than Kobe's death did, and I'm still processing bothQuote:
Originally Posted by ragincaucasian
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10-07-2021, 11:22 PMFuncrusherBorn alone die alone, no matter who your man is, hope he live long enough to tell it to his grandkidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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10-07-2021, 11:24 PMFuncrusheri get the sentiment, but just saying stuff like that like it's acutally been reported or speculated by credible sources is just weird to meQuote:
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