Zion's family wants Zion traded

Fan apathy is at an all time high right now. Griff better hit a home run with the coach AND trade some of these picks for some shooters or it's going to be a ghost town in the arena this year.

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I hope that Griffin doesn't drop to his knees, open up, and start panic buying others' trash.

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Dell Demps 2.0

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Fan apathy is at an all time high right now. Griff better hit a home run with the coach AND trade some of these picks for some shooters or it's going to be a ghost town in the arena this year.

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I'm going regardless. That is what real fans do.

This is what happens when you draft young mama's boys players. Zion needs to GROW up and confront management behind the scenes. This sounds like a Klutch doing. He's good with Lonzo...could it be he's feeding Z? We have too many babies on this team, put some real men around him to help him grow up. It's just not the Pelicans the whole league is upside down. Now the coaches are getting into the act. Maybe the owners/league ought to shut it down and let these misfits make it on their own. Sick and tired of these pampered athletes throwing tantrums while making millions. Goes to show you the human thirst will never be quinched. What's next forcing owners to give them pieces of their franchise? I'm not defending the owners either, understand players wanting to win but do your business professionally. Drue was a prime example.

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This is what happens when you draft young mama's boys players. Zion needs to GROW up and confront management behind the scenes. This sounds like a Klutch doing. He's good with Lonzo...could it be he's feeding Z? We have too many babies on this team, put some real men around him to help him grow up. It's just not the Pelicans the whole league is upside down. Now the coaches are getting into the act. Maybe the owners/league ought to shut it down and let these misfits make it on their own. Sick and tired of these pampered athletes throwing tantrums while making millions. Goes to show you the human thirst will never be quinched. What's next forcing owners to give them pieces of their franchise? I'm not defending the owners either, understand players wanting to win but do your business professionally. Drue was a prime example.

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Maybe he did confront Griff behind the scenes and told him the issues he and others had with SVG so that it gets changed now rather than a few more years of missing the playoffs and he decides to bolt.

And so Griff talked to SVG about the issues but SVG didn’t want to change how he coaches so there was no choice but to “mutually part ways”.

This Zion topic is outweighing the Luka talk which leads me to believe that the Pels HC opportunity is still more desirable than the Mavs. Apparently the Mavs dilemma has to do with Cuban leaning on the beliefs of his analyst/ former Vegas book maker. Dallas is going all in on analytics (good luck with that).

I really do see what the big deal is here. Why the panic? This isn?t Zion saying he wants out. He hasn?t as far as anyone knows gone to Grif and demanded to be trade, has he? Until then, who gives a ********.

How many here, have in the past had their parents not like where they worked? My parents did not like it when I joined the Marines but I did. My parents weren?t big fans of me moving to another place to work, but I did. It is just facts.

If Zion is worried about legacy, then what better legacy can an elite player achieve than to take a franchise like NO to the promise land? I doubt very seriously he would make more money in a bigger market, and if he did, in all reality it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what he is making now.

Zion wants to win, it is as simple as that. Some of that rest on his shoulders. If he was just an average defender last year, how many more wins would this team would have had? Who knows, but maybe if he was a better defender, they would have been in the play-in.

There is no doubt that even if very little is done this offseason to add to this team, this team is going to be better. Zion should be a better player, NAW, Kira and Hayes should all be better players with another year of experience. So I don?t think much really needs to be done to make this team a winner.


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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

This Zion topic is outweighing the Luka talk which leads me to believe that the Pels HC opportunity is still more desirable than the Mavs. Apparently the Mavs dilemma has to do with Cuban leaning on the beliefs of his analyst/ former Vegas book maker. Dallas is going all in on analytics (good luck with that).

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Cuban ignored the sexual harassment complaints too.

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I really do see what the big deal is here. Why the panic? This isn?t Zion saying he wants out. He hasn?t as far as anyone knows gone to Grif and demanded to be trade, has he? Until then, who gives a ********.

How many here, have in the past had their parents not like where they worked? My parents did not like it when I joined the Marines but I did. My parents weren?t big fans of me moving to another place to work, but I did. It is just facts.

If Zion is worried about legacy, then what better legacy can an elite player achieve than to take a franchise like NO to the promise land? I doubt very seriously he would make more money in a bigger market, and if he did, in all reality it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what he is making now.

Zion wants to win, it is as simple as that. Some of that rest on his shoulders. If he was just an average defender last year, how many more wins would this team would have had? Who knows, but maybe if he was a better defender, they would have been in the play-in.

There is no doubt that even if very little is done this offseason to add to this team, this team is going to be better. Zion should be a better player, NAW, Kira and Hayes should all be better players with another year of experience. So I don?t think much really needs to be done to make this team a winner.


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All I have to say is that it's a minor miracle it took 2 years for this stuff to go public about Zion's family. But that's what happens when the honeymoon period ends and the team isn't producing.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 17, 2021

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This is what happens when you draft young mama's boys players. Zion needs to GROW up and confront management behind the scenes. This sounds like a Klutch doing. He's good with Lonzo...could it be he's feeding Z? We have too many babies on this team, put some real men around him to help him grow up. It's just not the Pelicans the whole league is upside down. Now the coaches are getting into the act. Maybe the owners/league ought to shut it down and let these misfits make it on their own. Sick and tired of these pampered athletes throwing tantrums while making millions. Goes to show you the human thirst will never be quinched. What's next forcing owners to give them pieces of their franchise? I'm not defending the owners either, understand players wanting to win but do your business professionally. Drue was a prime example.

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Look at it like this instead

Look, if Zion Williamson was really happy with the Pelicans’ current situation that would probably be a bigger problem.

For fans, it’s good he is lighting a fire under the feet of the franchise. They need the impetus to act.

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) June 17, 2021

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All I have to say is that it's a minor miracle it took 2 years for this stuff to go public about Zion's family. But that's what happens when the honeymoon period ends and the team isn't producing.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 17, 2021

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Yeah....literally everyone behind the scenes knew this for a while. And one guy tried to tell you guys about it on this board numerous times. But people dont want to hear the bad and/or will find a way to spin it to themselves so it isnt so bad. Bias blinds even the most logical minds. This shouldnt have even come as news to any of you all yesterday, but your bias made you not want to believe it. Learn from this lesson and be more open moving forward. Or dont. Be a fan. Be biased, but have no one other than yourself to blame when expectations dont match with reality

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Yeah....literally everyone behind the scenes knew this for a while. And one guy tried to tell you guys about it on this board numerous times. But people dont want to hear the bad and/or will find a way to spin it to themselves so it isnt so bad. Bias blinds even the most logical minds. This shouldnt have even come as news to any of you all yesterday, but your bias made you not want to believe it. Learn from this lesson and be more open moving forward. Or dont. Be a fan. Be biased, but have no one other than yourself to blame when expectations dont match with reality

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I remember you said this months ago and everyone called you a liar . You were right .

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Yeah....literally everyone behind the scenes knew this for a while. And one guy tried to tell you guys about it on this board numerous times. But people dont want to hear the bad and/or will find a way to spin it to themselves so it isnt so bad. Bias blinds even the most logical minds. This shouldnt have even come as news to any of you all yesterday, but your bias made you not want to believe it. Learn from this lesson and be more open moving forward. Or dont. Be a fan. Be biased, but have no one other than yourself to blame when expectations dont match with reality

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I remember you saying they had issues, but I seem to recall you saying it was not a big deal (at least nothing to the extent of wanting him on another team).

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I remember you saying they had issues, but I seem to recall you saying it was not a big deal (at least nothing to the extent of wanting him on another team).

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So, now I wasnt dramatic enough about it? Cant win.

What I said, is what is still true today. They dont have faith in the decision makers because of numerous decisions they disagreed with, including how they handled Zion and the way they communicated with him and his "team" on several occassions. Couple that with poor roster and coaching decisions, and why should they have faith this is the right team for him? What benefit of the doubt have they earned?

That said, it isnt a big deal yet because they have no power and there is still time. Start making the right moves and have success, and I am sure they will be fine with things. Things arent binary or unable to change with new evidence and data. But any sane person would question whether this is the right place for him based on how the last two years have gone

It’s odd how Antonio Daniels, Shamit, and Mason were very defensive of Stan (even though they knew there was trouble going on behind the scenes). Those guys are great for analytical purposes, but their opinions carry as much weight as any poster’s on this site.

Also, tip of the cap to Mac. Humping armpits and calling a spade a spade. Keep it up (well, not the armpit part).

Do you think SVG was DEFINITELY in the wrong? Or is he just not the right fit for these particularly guys?

Because what those guys (and I do too) do sometimes is they fight against this mob mentality that fans have of it ALL being the coaches fault and if we can just swap out this coach for that one, all will be right. When, in reality, you are left with the same players who dont work as hard as they should on D, have general bad IQ and losing habits that will take years to break.

When you are in their position, all you see is the extreme takes and it wears on you, and for some reason you feel the need to balance out the extremes, even though you know deep down inside that you never will because fans are emotional. And emotion is the enemy of logic

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It’s odd how Antonio Daniels, Shamit, and Mason were very defensive of Stan (even though they knew there was trouble going on behind the scenes). Those guys are great for analytical purposes, but their opinions carry as much weight as any poster’s on this site.

Also, tip of the cap to Mac. Humping armpits and calling a spade a spade. Keep it up (well, not the armpit part).

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Kushner been money too. It is like Zion is speaking for us.

I have no issue with how one lays out their opinion, or those who accept those opinions as gospel. It’s just odd when the snake oil salesman gets upset people are mocking their product (which they clearly know won’t work) by saying “you know more than an NBA head coach? You don’t think he is a winner?”

To those snake oil salesmen I would just say “don’t pretend the opinions you are sharing are in good faith. You clearly plan to build your brand at any expense to reputation, so don’t pretend like you are any different than the Pelicans takes being spewed by ESPN/MSM.”

Coaches do know a lot more than all of us. But financial experts to do, and they make mistakes. Tech wizards do too and they are incorrect, and on and on and on

Regardless of the level of intelligence on a subject, making the wrong decision is bound to happen and a lay person can have less info and reach the more correct conclusion. All of this is possible, and happens probably millions of times a day.

But the fan has the benefit of the hindsight and they also dont have every wrong choice they would have made out there for public consumption, so they can act as if they have a better batting average on decisions.

I just know for the little time I was doing it, you start to tune out all the rational people and for some reason get obsessed with the few people with insane takes and feel the need to battle against them, even though if you were to step back for a minute, you'd realize they are the outliers and you should just let them be nuts and have convos with the middle people more

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I have no issue with how one lays out their opinion, or those who accept those opinions as gospel. It’s just odd when the snake oil salesman gets upset people are mocking their product (which they clearly know won’t work) by saying “you know more than an NBA head coach? You don’t think he is a winner?”

To those snake oil salesmen I would just say “don’t pretend the opinions you are sharing are in good faith. You clearly plan to build your brand at any expense to reputation, so don’t pretend like you are any different than the Pelicans takes being spewed by ESPN/MSM.”

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He answers every which way so he can’t possibly be wrong. Notice how he flip flops on opinions constantly then pats himself on the back when something he flip flopped on matches one of his opinions.

Of course coaches know more than us, and they mess up. What’s comical is when coaches are second guessed in the moment, and the snake oil salesman uses “you know more than the coach?” as a defense, when they too know it was a bad decision on the coaches part. Carrying water is cool and all of you are PR, but if you are claiming to be unbiased, but still carrying water for the team then don’t tell us you are any different from Perk/Windhorst/Nichols/etc. you are the same person (this isn’t directed at you MM, but at those whole claim to be some sort of voice for Pels fans).

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He answers every which way so he can’t possibly be wrong. Notice how he flip flops on opinions constantly then pats himself on the back when something he flip flopped on matches one of his opinions.

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Mad that you were wrong about one thing and got called out, now you go the typical teenage route and attack from another angle. Look man, if you are gonna call someone out, be extra sure you are right. Learn the lesson and move on. Dont double down. Also, I dont think you really understand what you are quote tweeting and who UNO is referencing here.

But reading comprehension aint your thing, we learned today.

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Of course coaches know more than us, and they mess up. What’s comical is when coaches are second guessed in the moment, and the snake oil salesman uses “you know more than the coach?” as a defense, when they too know it was a bad decision on the coaches part. Carrying water is cool and all of you are PR, but if you are claiming to be unbiased, but still carrying water for the team then don’t tell us you are any different from Perk/Windhorst/Nichols/etc. you are the same person (this isn’t directed at you MM, but at those whole claim to be some sort of voice for Pels fans).

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I know you werent directing it at me (unlike Jarrett Jack over there LMAO) - but I am just sharing my perspective having been in a similar (though smaller) position in the past. You get sucked into these wormholes, and people start attacking everything you say because if they can show they are smarter than Lowe or Windhorst or even Shamit on one thing, then THEY should be the one everyone listens to. And that gets old really quick. So, as a human with emotions, you start finding the idiots and attacking them, which then makes you look arrogant and makes more people want to come at you when you are wrong.

Its a vicious cycle and part of the reason why they go so hard as contrarians. They have no skin in the game. But this cycle happens and you cant get out of it, so you kind of become like the trolls you hate that started the cycle in the first place. Its really weird and hard to explain - I probably didnt do a good job right here of really laying it out

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He answers every which way so he can’t possibly be wrong. Notice how he flip flops on opinions constantly then pats himself on the back when something he flip flopped on matches one of his opinions.

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My comments aren’t directed at MM. I hold no ill will towards that man (other than the armpit thing…those could be the armpits of a loved one). I have exited the Twitterverse because it is such a snake pit, and the commentary dished out by Pels “voices” were some of the most toxic. If you went against those opinions (nothing tin foil based, more like “this coach is an idiot for x, y, z reasons.” Or “maybe SVG isn’t a winner (when young players were called out for having not won anything)”) you got called out by people with larger platforms. Group think is real, stupid group think is just as real.

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I know you werent directing it at me (unlike Jarrett Jack over there LMAO) - but I am just sharing my perspective having been in a similar (though smaller) position in the past. You get sucked into these wormholes, and people start attacking everything you say because if they can show they are smarter than Lowe or Windhorst or even Shamit on one thing, then THEY should be the one everyone listens to. And that gets old really quick. So, as a human with emotions, you start finding the idiots and attacking them, which then makes you look arrogant and makes more people want to come at you when you are wrong.

Its a vicious cycle and part of the reason why they go so hard as contrarians. They have no skin in the game. But this cycle happens and you cant get out of it, so you kind of become like the trolls you hate that started the cycle in the first place. Its really weird and hard to explain - I probably didnt do a good job right here of really laying it out

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No, you explained it fine, and quite honestly that is one of the reasons I am out on Twitter. I am not looking for followers, if anything I kept my followers/following list small so I wouldn’t see so much trash. But then you question someone’s take and some guy with nothing to add starts in with the “you only have x amount of followers” like that adds to any discussion. I’m not Jim Jones, Muhammad, or Pels Podguy looking for followers. I’m just a dude questioning terrible decisions.

I will miss the awesome fake Stock Twitter accounts (Jerome Powell, John W Rich, etc.) those guys are great.

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I know you werent directing it at me (unlike Jarrett Jack over there LMAO) - but I am just sharing my perspective having been in a similar (though smaller) position in the past. You get sucked into these wormholes, and people start attacking everything you say because if they can show they are smarter than Lowe or Windhorst or even Shamit on one thing, then THEY should be the one everyone listens to. And that gets old really quick. So, as a human with emotions, you start finding the idiots and attacking them, which then makes you look arrogant and makes more people want to come at you when you are wrong.

Its a vicious cycle and part of the reason why they go so hard as contrarians. They have no skin in the game. But this cycle happens and you cant get out of it, so you kind of become like the trolls you hate that started the cycle in the first place. Its really weird and hard to explain - I probably didnt do a good job right here of really laying it out

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Nah you did fam. Do you guys block alot of people? I know Mason Does.

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No, you explained it fine, and quite honestly that is one of the reasons I am out on Twitter. I am not looking for followers, if anything I kept my followers/following list small so I wouldn’t see so much trash. But then you question someone’s take and some guy with nothing to add starts in with the “you only have x amount of followers” like that adds to any discussion. I’m not Jim Jones, Muhammad, or Pels Podguy looking for followers. I’m just a dude questioning terrible decisions.

I will miss the awesome fake Stock Twitter accounts (Jerome Powell, John W Rich, etc.) those guys are great.

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Yeah, and I dont see it getting any better. Why I started a smaller, elite board a few years back and spend most of my time there. I dont think everyone deserves a voice. I think you should have to earn the right to be heard and maintain that privledge as well. Giving everyone a voice only incentivizes more hyperbole and extremists - because now you gotta find a way to stand out. And making logical, rational, boring arguments aint gonna do that. Even if they are the most sound.

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Nah you did fam. Do you guys block alot of people? I know Mason Does.

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I mute. Find it bothers people more. When you block, they get to write it off as you being insecure and not wanting to acknowledge their brilliance. When you mute, they get upset because they think you are gonna get hurt by some thing they sent you and then you dont reply or acknowledge and that drives them crazy.

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Yeah, and I dont see it getting any better. Why I started a smaller, elite board a few years back and spend most of my time there. I dont think everyone deserves a voice. I think you should have to earn the right to be heard and maintain that privledge as well. Giving everyone a voice only incentivizes more hyperbole and extremists - because now you gotta find a way to stand out. And making logical, rational, boring arguments aint gonna do that. Even if they are the most sound.

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It’s true, they don’t write stories about houses that aren’t on fire. People think that in order to be seen you have to be obscene.

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I mute. Find it bothers people more. When you block, they get to write it off as you being insecure and not wanting to acknowledge their brilliance. When you mute, they get upset because they think you are gonna get hurt by some thing they sent you and then you dont reply or acknowledge and that drives them crazy.

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I think this board have an ignore switch? Anyone heard from Dae lately?

J. J. Had a take on the situation too

JJ Reddick told us that David Griffin was running a mess over there. It shouldn’t come as a surprise if the rumors about Zion are true.

— EverythingKnicks (@EverythinKnicks) June 17, 2021

https://www.barstoolsports.com/podca...er-in-10-years

It?s not going away

Trash

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Zion or Griffin?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

J. J. Had a take on the situation too

JJ Reddick told us that David Griffin was running a mess over there. It shouldn?t come as a surprise if the rumors about Zion are true.

? EverythingKnicks (@EverythinKnicks) June 17, 2021

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So, Redick quit on the Pels after one year. He requested to be traded to teams who only wanted him if he was free. Further complicating trading him, he was injury prone and having his worst season ever. He gets moved to a contender, but feels compelled to publicly bury the front office who gave a 35 year-old, one-trick pony 26 million dollars. And, he liked a tweet announcing our elimination from the playoffs. So much pettiness. Lord knows we didn’t get our money’s worth from the man on the court. You’d think he could’ve at least paid us back with a little professionalism.

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Yeah, and I dont see it getting any better. Why I started a smaller, elite board a few years back and spend most of my time there. I dont think everyone deserves a voice. I think you should have to earn the right to be heard and maintain that privledge as well. Giving everyone a voice only incentivizes more hyperbole and extremists - because now you gotta find a way to stand out. And making logical, rational, boring arguments aint gonna do that. Even if they are the most sound.

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I completely see your point, this is why I have 750 posts since 2006. I visit this site almost every day, but only comment on things I think matter and I want to say. I am not interested in arguments, or I am smarter than you kind of discussions. I want to talk and read about basketball, hear some opinions and rumors about what might happen next with this mess of a team.

I enjoy this venue because it is good to have a place and be around some people who have suffered with me through the fall of BD and Mash, ownership's total destruction of CP3, DWest, Peja, and Chandler right after OKC tried to steal our team, So many things happened during the Demps era, girlfriend suicide, player shot in wrong apartment, Boogie's Knee, to AD's thats all folks. Now it starts again, what will happen with Zion? Who knows, but I will be lurking, thanks to this site and you guys for letting me!

I'm going to list 3 consecutive years and record for a certain team. This was a certain player's first 3 years in the league.

Coach: Kevin Loughery; Record: 38-44
Coach: Stan Albeck; Record: 30 - 52
Coach: Doug Collins; Record: 40-42

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I'm going to list 3 consecutive years and record for a certain team. This was a certain player's first 3 years in the league.

Coach: Kevin Loughery; Record: 38-44
Coach: Stan Albeck; Record: 30 - 52
Coach: Doug Collins; Record: 40-42

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Jordan?

This is what fuels my apathy

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You got it. Wonder if papa jordan made threats after year 2....reportedly.

Ironically, Jordan was livid at the Bulls organization in year 2 because of how they managed him after his injury. But luckily, it was an era when guys just didnt ask out/get out. And the Bulls started winning so Jordan stuck with them despite eventually growing to dislike the FO quite a bit

Its a new day and guys just wont stay with franchises for their careers any more. If we get 8 or 9 years out of Zion, Id consider that a win in this era

I can buy that the organization is a mess, but I don't even know how much of that is on just Griff.

When I was in the job market recently for my very unexciting career, I went through an application/call process with the Pelicans for some analytics desk job for ticket sales or whatever. I didn't make it very far so none of this is inside info, just observation.

I came away from the experience realizing that when you work for the Pelicans you work for The Benson's and everything they own. So you may be doing ticket sales analysis one day, then basketball ops the next day, then Saints media data the next day, then Dixie, then a car dealer, and so on and so forth.

Basically, they cut costs by using you across all the companies. Not totally uncommon for New Orleans as I worked for a company in the CBD that did the same thing.

But that company was a lot smaller. A LOT SMALLER. I can see how players and BBall personnel don't feel like there is a full commitment on their side. The Pels really only get something if Benson can also spread the cost over to the Saints as well.

You aren't running an Ice Cream stand next to a Snowball Stand here. These are two MASSIVE organizations that require their own individual approaches.

The only thing I can say in Benson's defense is that you aren't going to make a Saints level investment into the Pels until you get Saints level returns. But that creates a chicken or the egg situation.

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I can buy that the organization is a mess, but I don't even know how much of that is on just Griff.

When I was in the job market recently for my very unexciting career, I went through an application/call process with the Pelicans for some analytics desk job for ticket sales or whatever. I didn't make it very far so none of this is inside info, just observation.

I came away from the experience realizing that when you work for the Pelicans you work for The Benson's and everything they own. So you may be doing ticket sales analysis one day, then basketball ops the next day, then Saints media data the next day, then Dixie, then a car dealer, and so on and so forth.

Basically, they cut costs by using you across all the companies. Not totally uncommon for New Orleans as I worked for a company in the CBD that did the same thing.

But that company was a lot smaller. A LOT SMALLER. I can see how players and BBall personnel don't feel like there is a full commitment on their side. The Pels really only get something if Benson can also spread the cost over to the Saints as well.

You aren't running an Ice Cream stand next to a Snowball Stand here. These are two MASSIVE organizations that require their own individual approaches.

The only thing I can say in Benson's defense is that you aren't going to make a Saints level investment into the Pels until you get Saints level returns. But that creates a chicken or the egg situation.

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That is just it. You nailed it. They cut costs by using employees to work in every field. They overwork them. They don’t care about the high turnover. Rather they hire employees strictly for one organization. Instead one group has to do it all. Saving Benson money. Almost like slave labor. If they would hire people strictly for the Pelicans and Pelicans only it would be a different story. They will never change it . It is what it is.

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That is just it. You nailed it. They cut costs by using employees to work in every field. They overwork them. They don’t care about the high turnover. Rather they hire employees strictly for one organization. Instead one group has to do it all. Saving Benson money. Almost like slave labor. If they would hire people strictly for the Pelicans and Pelicans only it would be a different story. They will never change it . It is what it is.

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This isnt some revelation. EVERY organization does that. When one company acquires another similar company, these things are called synergy among field level employees. The Saints training facility is literally right next door to the Pelicans. The Pelicans facility doesn't look like some little trash tent next to the Saints either.

And given the long leash Griff has been given with hiring and firing coaches, I dont see less of a commitment to the Pelicans than the Saints.

Again, if any of this is true or has been reported accurately, and I remain very skeptical, this makes Zion and his family look like spoiled rotten children. They look bad. Not the Pelicans. This news has been floating around the Athletic people and I guess the Athletic thought now was as good a time as any to monetize it.

But eventually Griff may talk, and you know Zion will be asked probably around the Olympic games (if he participates) or summer league. Then it will be clear.

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This isnt some revelation. EVERY organization does that. When one company acquires another similar company, these things are called synergy among field level employees. The Saints training facility is literally right next door to the Pelicans. The Pelicans facility doesn't look like some little trash tent next to the Saints either.

And given the long leash Griff has been given with hiring and firing coaches, I dont see less of a commitment to the Pelicans than the Saints.

Again, if any of this is true or has been reported accurately, and I remain very skeptical, this makes Zion and his family look like spoiled rotten children. They look bad. Not the Pelicans. This news has been floating around the Athletic people and I guess the Athletic thought now was as good a time as any to monetize it.

But eventually Griff may talk, and you know Zion will be asked probably around the Olympic games (if he participates) or summer league. Then it will be clear.

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3 hall of fame players leaving in 10 years. The problem is not Zion

Read this again

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelicans...a62d7427d.html

Look, if Zion Williamson was really happy with the Pelicans’ current situation that would probably be a bigger problem.

For fans, it’s good he is lighting a fire under the feet of the franchise. They need the impetus to act.

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) June 17, 2021

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This isnt some revelation. EVERY organization does that. When one company acquires another similar company, these things are called synergy among field level employees. The Saints training facility is literally right next door to the Pelicans. The Pelicans facility doesn't look like some little trash tent next to the Saints either.

And given the long leash Griff has been given with hiring and firing coaches, I dont see less of a commitment to the Pelicans than the Saints.

Again, if any of this is true or has been reported accurately, and I remain very skeptical, this makes Zion and his family look like spoiled rotten children. They look bad. Not the Pelicans. This news has been floating around the Athletic people and I guess the Athletic thought now was as good a time as any to monetize it.

But eventually Griff may talk, and you know Zion will be asked probably around the Olympic games (if he participates) or summer league. Then it will be clear.

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Your first point. That is the problem . That means job loss. #DoBetter

Let's get this straight. Jordan was angry about the minutes restriction they put him on when he came back from that foot injury in year 2. He wanted to make the playoffs. The FO wanted a higher draft pick. They still ended up making the playoffs (with a 30-52 record---there were only 23 teams back then).

Once the playoffs started they removed his restrictions and he personally went off against Boston, even though they got swept.

After that it was a love/hate relationship with the Bulls FO. He supported them trading Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright, even though he was very close to Oakley. It was not this pure hatred for the FO even though Jerry Krause went through 3 coaches in his first 3 years (then a 4th coach when they hired Phil).

So we are comparing Michael Jordan to Zion now?