6th January - New Orleans Pelicans VS Utah Jazz - 12-24

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

Despite the score, I haven't honestly had a lot of issues with our defense. They have been making difficult, contested jump shots at a really high clip.

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Honestly, my biggest issue has been fouling. We've also had some plays where we obviously fouled but the refs let us get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You'd trade the 29 year old who, despite being on a down year, is still a top 50 player in the NBA and has another year left on his deal before you'd trade the 31 year old expiring roleplayer?

Okay.

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Yes!

At this rate, Zo and Ingram are going to command large contracts.

We can resign Moore on the cheap.... Jrue will cost a pretty penny as well.

If we can get a FA that’s actually good in the clutch. This team can contended next year possibly with a healthy Zion.

Jrue can also bring a good young player and a pick. Moore cannot.

Gotta look further than 2ft in front of your face.

Ok.

You know what's weird? Maybe I'm completely crazy but although I obviously recognise how integral Rudy Gobert is to the Jazz as a defensive player, and how I obviously recognise how good he is sometimes (especially when he's engaged and really into it) it's kind of surprising how often I end up feeling like Gobert is a kind of mediocre defender one on one, watching Jazz games.

Maybe I'm just having recency bias or something because he's not been great so far tonight, but it's odd.

Ingram is a non factor when defending the P&R. He needs to put some meat on his bones. He's certainly in the right city for that (with a little professional guidance).

The growth of Lonzo has been great to see. NAW is getting some run and making the most of Jrue injury. If not for the one-sided officiating, we would be winning this game. Pels need to continue attacking early before their D gets set and take advantage when Rudy on the bench

I love how people call spin on the ball ''English''. I know why it's called that but it's still funny.

Lonzo Ball with the Shockmaster.

Refs are just spiting us, at this point. Jazz are eating it up.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Lonzo Ball with the Shockmaster.

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''He fell flat on 'is a**e...'' - British Bulldog, Davey Boy Smith

Bogdanovic is hot :hihi:

Defense has been much worse to start the 3rd. I'm not surprised they're hitting these wide open shots.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You know what's weird? Maybe I'm completely crazy but although I obviously recognise how integral Rudy Gobert is to the Jazz as a defensive player, and how I obviously recognise how good he is sometimes (especially when he's engaged and really into it) it's kind of surprising how often I end up feeling like Gobert is a kind of mediocre defender one on one, watching Jazz games.

Maybe I'm just having recency bias or something because he's not been great so far tonight, but it's odd.

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Stats vs the eye test?

But I agree with you.

Ingram is extremely lucky they didn't call that elbow as an offensive foul

Are we actually selling fouls tonight? Are we learning how to flop?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Stats vs the eye test?

But I agree with you.

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Nah, it's not that, because when he looks motivated he *does* look incredible on defense, and the step down Utah's defense takes when he sits is completely visible. It's just kind of a mirage style defense where it looks like almost nothing is going on.

These refs are a joke. They've caused this level of animosity.

Yeah that Lonzo travel was weird. I’ve often heard that you aren’t supposed to start a dribble with two hands, but there is technically no law against it. It’s always been a weird myth that it is a foul dribble

A play right after they let the Jazz double dribble to no call.

Great pass from Ingram to Jax.

I get why Jax would be annoyed at that and want the foul, but the T is unacceptable when you're down like this.

Okay they called the foul the other way too, I'll take it

He's on the way up!

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Okay they called the foul the other way too, I'll take it

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Yeah, I'll take it over nothing. They still have a few to make up to get even but usually we don't get any. Lol

That oop baby

Great little dribble move from NAW and thne gets blocked lol

It honestly feels like the officials are feeling the pressure for once and making calls now. Maybe a bit of that passion from Hayes is working in our favor

Offense is stagnating. I know he's making the shots, for the most part, but we've now had 3 consecutive Ingram isos and that's not generally what you want.

I hate heat checks. All of our players do it every time

Good foul by Moore. Good end to the quarter. This would be a huge steal

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I hate heat checks. All of our players do it every time

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"I've made these great in-rhythm normal shots.....let me chunk this shizz up and aee what ha....doh."

You're right. It seems like all of our shooters do it and it never works.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I hate heat checks. All of our players do it every time

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Yeah, I think that guys need to learn when is appropriate to take their shots.

Take Ingram for example. I haven't got the exact figures right now because I stopped tracking them about 3 weeks ago, but up until mid-December Ingram was shooting lights out on catch and shoot 3s, but shooting very poorly on self-created off the dribble 3s. I haven't seen anything to make me think that trend has changed: he's a very good 3 point shooter whne he's either catching it and shooting, or when he's coming off a screen, catching, and shooting. Not so much when he has to create it off the bounce.

So what happens is he'll hit like 2 or 3 good solid catch and shoot threes, and then for his heat check he'll take one off the bounce. And it'll often miss, because he's less good at those. And it's jst a bad play; wish we'd run an actual play to *Get* him a three rather than just setting and screen and telling him to make it up.

Maybe I'm wrong though, like I said, haven't checked the numbers recently: maybe he's been blackout accurate on off the dribble 3s recently.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, I think that guys need to learn when is appropriate to take their shots.

Take Ingram for example. I haven't got the exact figures right now because I stopped tracking them about 3 weeks ago, but up until mid-December Ingram was shooting lights out on catch and shoot 3s, but shooting very poorly on self-created off the dribble 3s. I haven't seen anything to make me think that trend has changed: he's a very good 3 point shooter whne he's either catching it and shooting, or when he's coming off a screen, catching, and shooting. Not so much when he has to create it off the bounce.

So what happens is he'll hit like 2 or 3 good solid catch and shoot threes, and then for his heat check he'll take one off the bounce. And it'll often miss, because he's less good at those. And it's jst a bad play; wish we'd run an actual play to *Get* him a three rather than just setting and screen and telling him to make it up.

Maybe I'm wrong though, like I said, haven't checked the numbers recently: maybe he's been blackout accurate on off the dribble 3s recently.

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To be fair to Ingram, he has earned a few plays to himself and he is the only player that can consistently create his own shot, but I agree. Some of his shot selections are just doo doo poo poo and make me pull my hair out. It makes me pull my hair out even more when our other players do it.

Not a fan of Lonzo walking the ball up the court every possession so far.

Push it. Half court isn't what y'all need right now.

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) January 7, 2020

Koby Moore?

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

To be fair to Ingram, he has earned a few plays to himself and he is the only player that can consistently create his own shot, but I agree. Some of his shot selections are just doo doo poo poo and make me pull my hair out. It makes me pull my hair out even more when our other players do it.

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Sure he has, but I feel like for some of those heat checks he'd be better served trying to take his man off the dribble and get to the hoop and try and get his bucket, rather than just launching an off the dribble 3 with tons of time left on the clock.

It's a decision making thing: Ingram has improved in tons of ways, but his decision making still lags behind from time to time. It's not been a huge issue because, frankly, he's made a ton of the shots, but on some nights (last game, for example) when the shot isn't falling it does look kind of painful.

Will say, even if we lose this game I'm fairly impressed with how we've played for most of it, especially against a team that's been real good for the last month, and we've showed a lot of good stuff.

This is a long lineup we got on the floor - Ball - NAW - Hart - BI - Favors. Very interested to see how this goes. They can switch everything and all can shoot.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sure he has, but I feel like for some of those heat checks he'd be better served trying to take his man off the dribble and get to the hoop and try and get his bucket, rather than just launching an off the dribble 3 with tons of time left on the clock.

It's a decision making thing: Ingram has improved in tons of ways, but his decision making still lags behind from time to time. It's not been a huge issue because, frankly, he's made a ton of the shots, but on some nights (last game, for example) when the shot isn't falling it does look kind of painful.

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Oh yes I agree. I don’t think his decision making is the best as you said. He is a player that will look incredible some nights and be a blight to watch the next. But that is hopefully something that improves with big boy coming back to the lineup. I feel that sometimes our players don’t do anything and it forces Ingram to be stupid.

Lonzo has struggled a bit in this second half.

Why on Earth are they making calls for us now? Did we finally hold their families hostage?

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Why on Earth are they making calls for us now? Did we finally hold their families hostage?

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Jax threatened to dunk on each of them if they didn't

I am convinced that Alvin has their nude photos. We are getting ticky tack bonus FT’s here

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Lonzo has struggled a bit in this second half.

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Yeah, after going for something like 12/7/3 in the first half, Lonzo's put up 5/1/3 so far in the second. Part of it just a lack of aggression, to be honest, he's being far less intent on driving

No wonder he felt comfortable fouling Lonzo at the three point line there :hihi:

I hate that the refs always seem to wait to see if the ball goes in to determine if there's a foul or not.

Big shot by Lonzo

And the refs secured the nude photos. Damn

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Just be consistent with the foul calls.

It's all we ever want.

It's what we never get.

Ahhh it's slippin away

And game.