Alvin is the worst basketball coach of all time. Most coaches as bad as him would have not gotten 2-3 total seasons. This guy has gotten 18 years. He has to be the best interview in history to have a GM overlook his track record. It speaks for itself.
GENTRY FIRING COULD BE VERY SOON!
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12-21-2019, 12:44 AMFedupfan
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12-21-2019, 12:57 AM13 - 3
Need to get rid of this hard head now. He will not change. Look how change helped LSU Football.
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12-21-2019, 02:34 PM13 - 3
Writing on the Wall: New Orleans Pelicans have reached point of no return and should part ways with Alvin Gentry -- via @impatientbull https://t.co/TAYdpRvQrS pic.twitter.com/vcFr8qDGjl
— The Bird Writes (@thebirdwrites) December 21, 2019 -
12-21-2019, 02:36 PMFedupfanAbout time.Quote:
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12-21-2019, 02:37 PM13 - 3
Something has to change with this team.
— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) December 21, 2019
Whether it’s the coach, the rotation, an assistant, or the mission, this is a mess.
There are a lot more palatable ways to go 7-23. Outright tanking and playing young guys would be one (NAW played 4 mins in loss to GSW). -
12-21-2019, 02:40 PM13 - 3
This is true!
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) December 21, 2019
I covered 04-05 team that went 18-64...
They were mostly dysfunctional.
Byron didn’t want JR.
Baron demanded a trade, total malcontent.
Mashburn had punted on the NBA the year before when Tim Floyd was HC.
2019-2020 team has better players, better people.
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12-21-2019, 02:43 PM13 - 3
The @PelicansNBA head coach in 2020 will be?
— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) December 21, 2019
1. David Vanterpool - Asst HC - Minny
2. Becky Hammon - Asst - Spurs
3. Šarūnas Jasikevičius - Lithuanian
Vanterpool and Hammon both have history with NOLA GM Trajan Langdon. pic.twitter.com/SpIFoHCDHZ -
12-21-2019, 11:19 PMPELICANSFANAs per normal Fletch, there is a woman and a foreign coach on his list. He is nothing if not consistent.Quote:
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12-22-2019, 01:18 AM13 - 3You endorsed Becky too ! So get off Fletcher’s back!Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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12-22-2019, 09:05 AMPelicanidaeYeah, Fletch is such an idiot. Everyone knows only American men can coach basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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12-22-2019, 10:20 AM13 - 3:hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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12-22-2019, 12:45 PMJJackisangryI get what he means though. Fletch is always one for those hipster/trendy picks. And his shouts are generally terribleQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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12-22-2019, 01:14 PMPelicanidaeWe all know that if we had a lineup of Lebron James, Chris Paul, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, and Rudy Gobert, Fletch would want to trade them for Goran Dragic, Joe Harris, Kristaps Porzingis, Mason Plumlee and Tyler Herro. It's just what he's like. He likes suggesting bad trades and collecting white people.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJackisangry
Does that mean that his coaching suggestions should just be dismissed out of hand? I don't think so. I have no clue about Šarūnas Jasikevičius and I won't pretend I do, so I can't say if that's a decent shout or not, but myself and many others have suggested Hammon on this very board in the past. The idea doesn't suddenly become a bad one just because Fletch is 7 months late to the party. -
12-22-2019, 07:42 PM13 - 3
Kushner, Fire him
Another one for making the move
As stated in the column, Gentry has handled his tenure in New Orleans with dignity, class and respect for everyone. And with the right roster, he succeeded on the court too.
— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) December 23, 2019
But based on where this team is, and what it requires right now, it makes sense to move on. -
12-22-2019, 08:47 PMEman5805
It's too much now. Even if it doesn't have any impact. He needs to not be on the sidelines anymore.
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12-22-2019, 10:53 PMPELICANSFANWhen have I ever endorsed Hammon to coach the Pelicans?Quote:
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12-22-2019, 10:58 PMUNO Gracias
Does this feel like the Byron Scott situation all over again, because to me this feels like the Byron Scott situation all over again.
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12-22-2019, 11:25 PM13 - 3Oh so now you are against women and foreigners. LOL. Those foreigners are sure working out well for the Bucks and Mavericks.Quote:
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12-22-2019, 11:35 PMWildlifeAirGrp
I endorsed Hammon. I think her style would fit these young guys. Plus she's been around long enough, I
the novelty has worn off a bit. She tough as nails too. But what do I know. -
12-23-2019, 09:32 AMPELICANSFANLOLQuote:
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12-23-2019, 01:36 PM13 - 3I think Jamahl Mosley has connections with Grif. Very good resume. Familiar on how to use young talent.Quote:
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12-23-2019, 02:09 PMragincaucasian
Becky can shoot half court threes, sideways falling down threes, Steph Curry way downtown 3's, flying out of bounds 3's.
Maybe she can teach Lonzo the jump back three?
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12-23-2019, 09:12 PMSleeperSounds good to me! Two year show me deal. By show me, i mean at least putting out a product that doesn’t make fans scratch their heads.Quote:
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12-23-2019, 11:15 PM13 - 3I think most coaches get 4 years. I’m sure that is what any coach will ask for.Quote:
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12-26-2019, 12:07 AMUNO Gracias
We’ve seen enough, give Gentry the keys to the facility, and a lifetime contract. Don’t ever let him leave.
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12-26-2019, 12:18 AMEman5805
Nothing has changed, really. Best place for Gentry won't be on the sidelines. Not in that role.
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12-26-2019, 12:51 AMmsusousaphone
Everything has changed. Can't deny that.
This is one of the youngest teams with the least amount of continuity going into the season. The FIRE GENTRY stuff was premature. He is getting this team playing with synergy faster than should be anticipated. -
12-26-2019, 03:42 AMP_B_&_GThis is probably why you let a guy finish out the year. We have looked pretty good since getting Favors back healthy.Quote:
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How deep of a playoff run would be required to consider keeping Gentry?
It's nice to be excited again and Zion isn't even back yet! -
12-26-2019, 08:47 AMPelicanidaeThis is why you fire a guy early.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_B_&_G
Gentry is a bad coach. He's proved it over years and years of play. But if you allow his awful choices during the first 30 games of the season to be dismissed by hiding them underneath the legitimate injury concerns, while giving him full credit for (inevitably, given the schedule) stronger end to the year, you're fooling yourself.
It's just another smokescreen that's going to end up allowing Gentry to stick out another year here that he doesn't deserve. -
12-26-2019, 08:51 AMUNO GraciasI will co-sign this post.Quote:
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12-26-2019, 09:08 AMMichaelMcNamaraThis is only true if Griffin and Langdon are as dumb as casual fans. This is the error I see many of you make. And it makes sense, since you only converse with other dumb fans but if you were to ever speak to someone like Langdon or Griffin, you would know that smart basketball people do not view things as black and whiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
Dumb fans think: Win game = good, Lose game= bad
But Griff and Langdon ain't thinking like that. Have a little more faith in them than you would a standard person on twitter or a message board -
12-26-2019, 09:30 AMluigi modeloyou're too funny sometimes! Glad to have you back, but just try, really try, to soften your touch. However, I agree with youQuote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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12-26-2019, 09:32 AM13 - 3Thanks for the laugh substitute teacher from Utah. Just curious was your twitter account suspended again? Is that why you are here?Quote:
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12-26-2019, 09:54 AMUNO Gracias
But Gentry is a loser, and a few wins don’t change that.
If Langdon and Griff want to tie that milestone around their necks then so be it, but they better not get pissed at fans when interest wanes, and players don’t come to play with Zion. -
12-26-2019, 10:18 AM13 - 3Dell Demps & Jeff Bowers all over again?Quote:
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12-26-2019, 10:24 AMUNO GraciasIt’s like the Byron Scott situation all over again.Quote:
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12-26-2019, 10:25 AMSilverfoxxNah fam y'all ain't running of MM this time again. Let him get his stuff off. Facts are if you go to sites like Tiger droppings and sometimes on here fans can be very impulsive and say dumb things. Nothing personal about it, it's just facts. Let's no go back and forth and get emotional, if anyone offend anyone let's just ignore itQuote:
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12-26-2019, 10:54 AMluigi modeloyes!Quote:
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12-26-2019, 10:54 AMUNO Gracias
Do people around here really leave because they get offended? That’s weak. I can understand not logging on for months at a time because the team sucks, or it’s the offseason, but because people are offending you and your crap takes, come on. Suck it up buttercup.
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12-26-2019, 11:01 AMMichaelMcNamaraTruth is truth. I never got the point of "softening it up"... if people can't handle truth, that's on them not meQuote:
Originally Posted by luigi modelo
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12-26-2019, 11:03 AMMichaelMcNamaraI dont run off. I have an elite board that is 100 times better than twitter or other sites. Occassionally I come back to converse and see if there is any good talent to recruit to the elite board. Then, I leave again.Quote:
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Let's just say I haven't messaged anyone from here based on what I have seen the last few days -
12-26-2019, 11:17 AMUNO GraciasWe’re not your parents, you don’t have to justify your life choices to us.Quote:
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12-26-2019, 11:55 AMBIG_CITY_BOI
In the five years Alvin Gentry has been our coach, he has only one winning season. This is not acceptable.
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12-26-2019, 11:56 AMMichaelMcNamaraI'm sure when people lie and create false narratives about you, you dont say anything and just allow that lie to be out there -- looking more and more true because of your lack of response.Quote:
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My bad for putting the truth out there. Won't happen again -
12-26-2019, 12:00 PMUNO GraciasYeah, but wins don’t equal success (or something like that).Quote:
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If he stays past this year that’s an indictment on how serious Griff is as a President, and Langdon is as a GM. -
12-26-2019, 12:05 PMMichaelMcNamara
What if there is no elite coach out there and/or you think there could be one in summer of 2021? Do you grab a B coach and commit to him or her for 4 years just because they are better than Gentry?
Or do you keep the guy you are already paying and wait.for the guy who can be a great coach for Zion for the next 10 years?
You guys all blasted Dell for.always being short sighted but now you want to.do the same things he did. Minor improvements at the expense of the bigger picture
Not saying this WILL be the case, but it's a possible universe where it would make sense for Gentry to be coach next season that doesn't mean he fooled anybody. They are just seeing big picture and not.rushing to commit to the most important position in the Zion.era -
12-26-2019, 12:21 PMPelicanidaeI think everyone agrees that winning is, more or less, success. The point is that you can't judge the quality of a coach on wins in all cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
And I am in favour of moving on from Gentry at the end of this year, so it's not like I'm defending him. I just don't think you can look at the W/L columns at the end of a season and rank each coach by # of Ws. -
12-26-2019, 12:34 PMUNO Gracias
I’m a simple man, I work in finance, you track trends over time to determine a clients credit worthiness. Over his 18 years as a head coach Gentry would be a trouble credit, and I wouldn’t trust him with a line of credit sufficient to buy a pack of bubble gum. The guy has a high risk rating, and warts all over. He would have busted so many covenants (after they had been adjusted) that it just wouldn’t be worth lending to him. You want to pass that customer off to another bank, or if a relationship manager moves to another bank, you don’t mind if he/she takes that customer with them.
If finding the next big coach was as easy as it sounds then every team would be doing it, but it’s not. All we do know is that Gentry isn’t a winner, and the likelihood of him having success here is less than 30%. -
12-26-2019, 12:48 PMColoradoCajunIs it just other writers? There was a twitter ban?Quote:
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Was a good road trip. Let the GS game get away. Next set of 4 games going to be tough -
12-26-2019, 01:15 PMJJackisangry
Oh dear. You couldn’t help yourself could you? Hopefully Gentry is sacked at seasons’s end as should be. He had his chance to make a good impression and he blew it. If we have to bank every season on hovering around 500 all year without separating ourselves or trying to dig ourselves out of a massive hole every season, it’s not worth it. Bring someone in that can manage the year, manage with injuries, manage rotations and play a less risky style of basketball. Keep your Narcissist’s Anonymous adventures to yourselves.