15th December - New Orleans Pelicans VS Orlando Magic - 6-20

Perimeter defense pretty bad

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You can add additional stipulations until it makes sense if you like.

You said ''he's still a league leader from the 3''.

No, he's 18th in the league from the 3, among guys who actually shoot lots of 3s.

If you want to say ''oh but actually I was only talking about guys who average at least this many points per game'' then cool, but that's not what you said.

Edit: also, Ingram's not in the top 10 scorers in the league anymore. He's 11th, which is (again) still very good, but just trying to get the info right here.

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The only reason Ingram is 11 is because he had a 7 point game.. The game he left early due to injury.. Ingram is a top ten scorer period! Think what you want though.

Not interested in a long back and forth. But as is customary I'm going to correct you when I see something silly in regards to your commentary on Ingram. Enjoy the rest of the game.

I just wish the Pels could get one stop this season while Ingram is on the court.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

The only reason Ingram is 11 is because he had a 7 point game.. The game he left early due to injury.. Ingram is a top ten scorer period! Think what you want though.

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Except he literally isn't, but okay. ''Oh he's not top 10 because he had a low scoring game!!!'' yeah, that's the same reason anyone isn't top 10. Didn't score enough to average out in the top 10 across all games played. That's how it works: if you're not in the top 10 of scorers, you aren't in the top 10 of scorers. That's how numbers work.

Think what you want though

Awful close out from Ingram there.

5 fouls in 18 minutes.

The NBA has become a 3 point contest

Ingram is such a dumb player with fouls.. Like incredibly dumb.. Like mind boggling dumb..

Isaac is so good defensively, it's amazing.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Except he literally isn't, but okay. ''Oh he's not top 10 because he had a low scoring game!!!'' yeah, that's the same reason anyone isn't top 10. Didn't score enough to average out in the top 10 across all games played. That's how it works: if you're not in the top 10 of scorers, you aren't in the top 10 of scorers. That's how numbers work.

Think what you want though

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You're starting to sound stupid..

Jrue was soooooo hesitant there, it was irritating. Glad to see Jax make the pass though.

And as I say that, dual techs on Hart and Gentry, so frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

You're starting to sound stupid..

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If it's stupid to say that if you're 11th, you're not top 10, then I am absolutely fine with that.

Personally though, if I was the kind of person who was arguing that someone ranked 11th was top 10, and that someone ranked 18th was a ''leader'', I wouldn't be calling other people stupid, tbh.

Orlando is a scrappy team. They actually play defense with effort.

Oh Lord. Are people cheering Gentry being sent out? lol

Jax is such a dynamic rim-runner. He just crashes into the rim like he hates it.

There goes Alvin

Now MCW is hitting 3s lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If it's stupid to say that if you're 11th, you're not top 10, then I am absolutely fine with that.

Personally though, if I was the kind of person who was arguing that someone ranked 11th was top 10, and that someone ranked 18th was a ''leader'', I wouldn't be calling other people stupid, tbh.

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The bottom 3 of the top ten fluctuate, and considering Ingram leaving a game early due to injury, in which he scored 7, it's fair to say he's a top ten scorer. Which leads to why I'd question one's intelligence who tried to make an argument that he wasn't.. Either there's a deficiency in that area, or in the ability to be objective. Either case is a sad one.

Down 15 going into the 4th, and Gentry's gone.

That'll be another loss, then.

Finally, I don’t have to watch a Pels quarter with that trash can on the bench.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Down 15 going into the 4th, and Gentry's gone.

That'll be another loss, then.

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They have a better chance with him gone.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

The bottom 3 of the top ten fluctuate, and considering Ingram leaving a game early due to injury, in which he scored 7, it's fair to say he's a top ten scorer. Which leads to why I'd question one's intelligence who tried to make an argument that he wasn't.. Either there's a deficiency in that area, or in the ability to be objective. Either case is a sad one.

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Whatever junk stats on a 6-20 team you pull up is worthless. Ingram in no white people science is a top 10 scorer in this league. I can round off atleast 15 better scorers. Stats mean so little on a bad team..

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Originally Posted by Nichols

The bottom 3 of the top ten fluctuate, and considering Ingram leaving a game early due to injury, in which he scored 7, it's fair to say he's a top ten scorer. Which leads to why I'd question one's intelligence who tried to make an argument that he wasn't.. Either there's a deficiency in that area, or in the ability to be objective. Either case is a sad one.

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Sorry man, if you're not in the top 10 of scorers, you're not in the top 10 of scorers.

You're right that the bottom few tend to move around a little, at least when you're still in the first half of the year, but that's just the nature of the beast. Sometimes you are in the top 10, sometimes you aren't. Ingram isn't. Maybe in two weeks, he will be. But right now, as we speak, he is not. That's just how it is.

I'd appreciate it if you held off on the snide remarks tho, kinda unnecessary. ''I'd question one's intelligence who tried to make an argument that he wasn't...'' :hihi::rolleyes:

That roll on their 3..... season in a nutshell. Lol

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Whatever junk stats on a 6-20 team you pull up is worthless. Ingram in no white people science is a top 10 scorer in this league. I can round off atleast 15 better scorers. Stats mean so little on a bad team..

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White people science??? And of course everything you do, whether on a bad or good team matters.

Great track on Favors for that block

Mo Bamba is raining 3s on us? Christ on sail...

AD talking about how the mid-range game is a ''lost art''.

Can we please, please, please stop spreading this myth.

The high usage rate players take as many midrangers as ever. It's the roleplayers who have cut out the mid-range, and usually for good reason.

Seth Partnow has done easily available, freely accessible talks on this.

I love how Josh Hart has gone to bat for us...but he's not worth retaining either.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sorry man, if you're not in the top 10 of scorers, you're not in the top 10 of scorers.

You're right that the bottom few tend to move around a little, at least when you're still in the first half of the year, but that's just the nature of the beast. Sometimes you are in the top 10, sometimes you aren't. Ingram isn't. Maybe in two weeks, he will be. But right now, as we speak, he is not. That's just how it is.

I'd appreciate it if you held off on the snide remarks tho, kinda unnecessary. ''I'd question one's intelligence who tried to make an argument that he wasn't...'' :hihi::rolleyes:

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Coming from the guy who just tried to say Ingram is having a tough time because he literally missed one 3 point shot.. Yea you clearly have an issue with objectivity.

Two weeks from now maybe he'll be in the top 10 is another silly comment. Considering he's 11 right now, and was just in a few days ago.

We can agree to disagree... Like I said, I'm just going to correct you when I see something off.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Coming from the guy who just tried to say Ingram is having a tough time because he literally missed one 3 point shot.

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Yes, that is what I was saying. I definitely wasn't talking about the combined reality of his fouling, turnovers, poor defense, and missing good shots. I was only talking about that one particular corner three that I used as an example in one case. Absolutely.

Give me a break.

And we're down 20! Wouldn't be a Pels game without it.

You are now getting spanked by sub .500 teams.

This is clearly not a talent issue.

Incoming blowout

Opposing teams shooting better on us in game than they do in warmups. It's beyond bad perimeter defense......it's like reverse defense. Anti-offense.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Opposing teams shooting better on us in game than they do in warmups. It's beyond bad perimeter defense......it's like reverse defense. Anti-offense.

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We lend them our power to be better, like the Spirit Bomb

This may be the worst defense in the league

Good pass from Brandon. He's actually had two nice passes this quarter, one was the baseline pass and the second was that bounce

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We lend them our power to be better, like the Spirit Bomb

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Screw that. I wanna pull a Mistborn and pour my health into a metalmind so Zion can stay healthy forever.

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Originally Posted by Wecandothis

This may be the worst defense in the league

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Coming into this game, 29th in opponent's points allowed, 27th in defensive rating. So yeah, pretty close to the worst defense in the league.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We lend them our power to be better, like the Spirit Bomb

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Good reference!

But....it....has to be right? Like. I think we do, somehow.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yes, that is what I was saying. I definitely wasn't talking about the combined reality of his fouling, turnovers, poor defense, and missing good shots. I was only talking about that one particular corner three that I used as an example in one case. Absolutely.

Give me a break.

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Your reality, doesn't reflect reality.. Reality.. 8-14 for 18 points 6 boards and 3 assists.. That's not a rough game.. even though he could have been more effective without the dumb fouls.

This is so ridiculous! This is beyond reason as this point!

Okafor wakes up: "It's my birthday and I get
to play!"

Coaching staff: "Easy there, big fella."

Meanwhile, our starting front court has combined for 6 points.

After this game, we will have lost 12 consecutive games.

After this, we play Brooklyn, Minnesota, Golden State, and Portland.

There's real opportunity to break the streak in there. If we lose 16 in a row, that's.... that's just unforgivable.

I mean, 12 in a row is unforgivable, but I can't think of a better word for 16.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

After this game, we will have lost 12 consecutive games.

After this, we play Brooklyn, Minnesota, Golden State, and Portland.

There's real opportunity to break the streak in there. If we lose 16 in a row, that's.... that's just unforgivable.

I mean, 12 in a row is unforgivable, but I can't think of a better word for 16.

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Since It’s already unforgivable, What’s it going to take you think?

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Since It’s already unforgivable, What’s it going to take you think?

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I dunno, man. I already think Gentry's gotta go at the end of this year. If Griff doesn't already agree then I don't know if 16 makes a difference.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I dunno, man. I already think Gentry's gotta go at the end of this year. If Griff doesn't already agree then I don't know if 16 makes a difference.

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He has to go now. Send him right out the arena. Finchs time is now.

Better angle... https://t.co/x6M54Q5JMH pic.twitter.com/muRmWlZSyl

— Absolutely My Burner Account (@srevolution) December 15, 2019

Good D from Jax against a fairly talented post player in Vucevic

Jax then smothers Fultz on the mismatch, but Ingram and Jrue both give up the backdoor to Isaac and it's a bucket