1st December - New Orleans Pelicans VS OKC Thunder 6-13

This team: :help:

God almighty this team is frustrating

Well, we did better at the end of the game...

But still people aren't getting what Redick said.

Christ, I keep forgetting how young key players on this team are.

Holy Hell?! What are we witnessing?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I'm gonna venture a guess that no one in the modern era has come CLOSE to matching numbers like that for an 82 game season.

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It's impossible to be absolutely certain because shot-tracking data isn't publicly available from before about 2000, but no, as far as I'm aware nobody has ever shot 60% from midrange in any season at all, let alone in tandem with 45%+ from 3.

Closest I can think of is Durant shooting 56% from midrange in 2016-17, but even he only shot 38% from three that year.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I knew Ingram's insanely hot shooting would cool off eventually. He just has to make it through his slump.

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Ingram was 8 for 18.. and 2 for 3 from 3.. He's not in a slump..

EDIT.. He was also a plus 9.. all the other starters are in the negative.. He set a lot of guys up this game for shots they didn't make..

Glad i didnt waste time watching this one. Checked in with a minute left. Looks like i missed more of the same. Lonzo not driving and shooting only 3's.

That is a coaching problem. You sit his ****** on the bench until he starts driving. Tell him to stop with launching 8 3's. WTF.

I just don't know how you can defend giving Jackson and NAW zero playing time AND lose the game. Either we're playing to get wins... In which case we should be winning, or we need to give minutes to the players we need to develop. Especially Jackson. A decision has to be made on him this summer because his contract is up.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Ingram was 8 for 18.. and 2 for 3 from 3.. He's not in a slump..

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He was shooting 37.5% on the game when Eman posted that (he hit some shots late). The game before this, he shot well overall but was 0-3 from three. The game before that he went 4 of 21 for 19% shooting, including 2 of 11 from deep. The game before that he shot 40% from the floor.

It is absolutely fair to call that a slump.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Glad i didnt waste time watching this one. Checked in with a minute left. Looks like i missed more of the same. Lonzo not driving and shooting only 3's.

That is a coaching problem. You sit his ****** on the bench until he starts driving. Tell him to stop with launching 8 3's. WTF.

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You are missing one of the finest coaching tragedies of all time. Any other team would have canned this guy after 10 games. But, if you love this team, you are forced to suffer miserable end of game situations every other game.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I just don't know how you can defend giving Jackson and NAW zero playing time AND lose the game. Either we're playing to get wins... In which case we should be winning, or we need to give minutes to the players we need to develop. Especially Jackson. A decision has to be made on him this summer because his contract is up.

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Exactly. If we're going to lose games, it had better be because we're feeding tons of minutes to the youth and seeing them grow.

If we're losing in games where we give Moore 18 minutes and don't let NAW touch the floor, then there's something gravely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I just don't know how you can defend giving Jackson and NAW zero playing time AND lose the game. Either we're playing to get wins... In which case we should be winning, or we need to give minutes to the players we need to develop. Especially Jackson. A decision has to be made on him this summer because his contract is up.

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This coach is a tragedy to this organization. He has cost them a franchise player and now the new found life they had from the offseason. I know a lot of season ticket holders and they are disgusted.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He was shooting 37.5% on the game when Eman posted that (he hit some shots late). The game before this, he shot well overall but was 0-3 from three. The game before that he went 4 of 21 for 19% shooting, including 2 of 11 from deep. The game before that he shot 40% from the floor.

It is absolutely fair to call that a slump.

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Well considering how you post on Ingram I would expect you to agree.. Bottom line.. this isn't the game to make that argument with. I'll reiterate.. 2 for 3 from 3.. and 8 for 18.. He's not in a slump. Period...

I guess now we know exactly what ''Fearless Alvin'' means. It means he can keep coaching precisely as poorly as he was before, but now he's not scared of losing his job.

jj was calling for the 3 and jrue just dribble time down to take the 2......

lonzo should have been posting schroder up and trying to draw fouls on him to get schroder out the game....schroder just had his way getting to the rim...

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Well considering how you post on Ingram I would expect you to agree.. Bottom line.. this isn't the game to make that argument with. I'll reiterate.. 2 for 3 from 3.. and 8 for 18.. He's not in a slump. Period...

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Like I said, you are posting statistics to invalidate his claim that did not exist when he posted that comment. When he wrote that, Ingram was shooting 37.5% on the game. Which is not good.

He hit some shots after that, which brought his percentages up. Obviously that is good, and it means that he finished the game stronger. Cool. But at the time of Eman posting that, Ingram absolutely had not been shooting well all game. That's just the literal material facts of the matter.

From the end of the 3rd until about 8 minutes left in the 4th, this team attempted 7 straight 3 pointers.

I think defenses are now keying on Ingram as well. That has made him shoot tougher shots all together.

Of all the top 10 scorers in the league which Brandon is... There is only one with a higher FG%.. There is only one with a higher 3pt FG%..

Another game that we would have won by double digits had it been officiated evenly. Sigh.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Like I said, you are posting statistics to invalidate his claim that did not exist when he posted that comment. When he wrote that, Ingram was shooting 37.5% on the game. Which is not good.

He hit some shots after that, which brought his percentages up. Obviously that is good, and it means that he finished the game stronger. Cool. But at the time of Eman posting that, Ingram absolutely had not been shooting well all game. That's just the literal material facts of the matter.

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BS.. He hadn't shot well all game when he was 4 for 7 at one point... That's a bogus take..

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I think defenses are now keying on Ingram as well. That has made him shoot tougher shots all together.

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Yes, and he actually made passes out of double teams on the block which generated open looks for others.. Glad he didn't force it on those possessions. When Zion is back, good luck trying to load up on Ingram or Zion..

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Originally Posted by Nichols

BS.. He hadn't shot well all game when he was 4 for 7 at one point... That's a bogus take..

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:rolleyes:

My bad, I forgot that Ingram can do no wrong

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Another game that we would have won by double digits had it been officiated evenly. Sigh.

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Or coached competently.

Truly horrible coaching. No offensive sets lead to iso plays. Defensively, no adjustments made to opponent plays that work over and over. The Pels are the laughingstock of the NBA right now. I went through this with the Mavs in the 90s with the 3 Js and it takes years to get out of this. All of the good will during the summer will be gone, and some fans just won’t return. Zion is going to stay for this?
Sorry for the long post, I am super frustrated.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I just don't know how you can defend giving Jackson and NAW zero playing time AND lose the game. Either we're playing to get wins... In which case we should be winning, or we need to give minutes to the players we need to develop. Especially Jackson. A decision has to be made on him this summer because his contract is up.

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I remember teachers in elementary school passing out handout sheets entitled...'Which One Does Not Fit?'. On this team, it's obvious who the misfit is.

In short, I'd rather lose with NAW or Frank getting minutes than with Ball's poor decision making ability. Talented? Yes. Smart? that's another matter.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

:rolleyes:

My bad, I forgot that Ingram can do no wrong

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That kind of response is beneath you.. Don't start talking stupid.. We both know Ingram can do wrong, and I call him out. You tried to defend a silly take, with an even more ridiculous take.. I told you I'm going to call you out when I see it.

Ingram is second in the league in FG% and 3pt% of all top ten scorers.. He was also the ONLY starter on the plus side.. +9 To try to single him out in any way is beyond ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Chavan30

Truly horrible coaching. No offensive sets lead to iso plays. Defensively, no adjustments made to opponent plays that work over and over. The Pels are the laughingstock of the NBA right now. I went through this with the Mavs in the 90s with the 3 Js and it takes years to get out of this. All of the good will during the summer will be gone, and some fans just won’t return. Zion is going to stay for this?
Sorry for the long post, I am super frustrated.

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I mean, Zion has no choice: he's under contract for the next 4 years and then it'll only be restricted free agency so he could well be here for 7 years anyway. If we're still having these issues in 7 years then yeah, we have a problem.

That said, you're right to an extent. A full season of this, and some of those people who got drawn in by the Zion factor just won't bother. It's easy to say that the games will be more fun once Zion's back, and that's probably true, but how many of them will still care at that point? There's only so many times you can get slapped in the face before you just leave and don't come back.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

That kind of response is beneath you.. Don't start talking stupid.. We both know Ingram can do wrong, and I call him out. You tried to defend a silly take, with an even more ridiculous take.. I told you I'm going to call you out when I see it.

Ingram is second in the league in FG% and 3pt% of all top ten scorers.. He was also the ONLY starter with on the plus side.. +9 To try to single him out in any way is beyond ridiculous.

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Nobody's denying that Ingram's overall FG% and 3pt% is high. He started off the season ridiculously hot.

Over the last handful of games, those numbers have dropped off dramatically. Over the last 6 games before tonight, he was shooting 43% from the floor and 33% from behind the arc. That's a slump. His overall averages have, as a result, dropped: he was shooting nearly 49% from deep 7 games ago, and he came into tonight 8% lower than that.

That's a slump. If you shoot dramatically below your averages for 5+ games at a time, that's a shooting slump. Sorry, but that's just the term for that sequence of events.

Agreed on the seven years of Zion, but can the Pels really do anything if he decides he doesn’t want to play in NO? He could force a trade. I am super frustrated the Pels are doing nothing.

When Gentry said he wants his team attempting at least 40 3s per game, that is alarming.

What you want to do is work to get an easy bucket. Which often times is NOT a 3 pointer.

Unless you have a James Harden on your team, it is a bad philosophy full of wasted possessions.

Tomorrow (today for me, 39 minutes past midnight gang) for you guys marks exactly 6 weeks since Zion's surgery.

Holding out hope.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

When Gentry said he wants his team attempting at least 40 3s per game, that is alarming.

What you want to do is work to get an easy bucket. Which often times is NOT a 3 pointer.

Unless you have a James Harden on your team, it is a bad philosophy full of wasted possessions.

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Alvin Gentry needs to do the opposite of every gut feeling he has.

Tell the team: Do not shoot ANY 3's. I want you driving to the paint, getting to the foul line. That's the ONLY "3 point play" you should be worried about.

His scheme is just pure lazy. LITERALLY ANYONE OF US ON THIS BOARD can drive down and shoot a 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Tomorrow (today for me, 39 minutes past midnight gang) for you guys marks exactly 6 weeks since Zion's surgery.

Holding out hope.

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Me too.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Tomorrow (today for me, 39 minutes past midnight gang) for you guys marks exactly 6 weeks since Zion's surgery.

Holding out hope.

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I wouldn't hope too much. Zion, lest we forget, has yet to play in a regular season game AND he won't be bringing Krzyzewski with him.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

His scheme is just pure lazy. LITERALLY ANYONE OF US ON THIS BOARD can drive down and shoot a 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock.

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Especially if none of us are really expected to play defense on the other end.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I wouldn't hope too much. Zion, lest we forget, has yet to play in a regular season game AND he won't be bringing Krzyzewski with him.

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If you think that Zion's success at Duke was due to Coach K, I'd recommend rewatching literally any of those games :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If you think that Zion's success at Duke was due to Coach K, I'd recommend rewatching literally any of those games :hihi:

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Never said that Brainiac.

His scheme is just pure lazy. LITERALLY ANYONE OF US ON THIS BOARD can drive down and shoot a 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock.[/QUOTE]

I have seen better coaching in the rec leagues I played in a loooong time ago. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Nobody's denying that Ingram's overall FG% and 3pt% is high. He started off the season ridiculously hot.

Over the last handful of games, those numbers have dropped off dramatically. Over the last 6 games before tonight, he was shooting 43% from the floor and 33% from behind the arc. That's a slump. His overall averages have, as a result, dropped: he was shooting nearly 49% from deep 7 games ago, and he came into tonight 8% lower than that.

That's a slump. If you shoot dramatically below your averages for 5+ games at a time, that's a shooting slump. Sorry, but that's just the term for that sequence of events.

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So he goes into a slump for a 10 game stretch and is still 2nd in the league among the top ten scorers in the league from a FG and 3Pt% standpoint.. Ingram is fine..

And I'm not going to try to single out the only starter who was on the plus side by a wide margin..

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Never said that Brainiac.

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What are you meaning to imply by saying ''don't get your hopes up, he's not bringing Coach K with him''?

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Originally Posted by Chavan30

Agreed on the seven years of Zion, but can the Pels really do anything if he decides he doesn’t want to play in NO? He could force a trade. I am super frustrated the Pels are doing nothing.

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Alvin is essentially not even coaching. If the players are allowed to shoot whatever they want and no adjustments are made, what exactly is his job? He is responsible for the lineups and those are awful.... So, he’s basically getting paid to do nothing, but put his team in position to lose.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

So he goes into a slump for a 10 game stretch and is still 2nd in the league among the top ten scorers in the league from a FG and 3Pt% standpoint.. Ingram is fine..

And I'm not going to try to single out the only starter who was on the plus side by a wide margin..

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Again, nobody as far as I've seen has denied his high FG% numbers.

When someone says he is in a slump, they're just talking about his recent play. Yes, he's been efficient overall on the year. He hasn't been recently. That could always bounce back, and to some extent probably will.

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Originally Posted by Chavan30

His scheme is just pure lazy. LITERALLY ANYONE OF US ON THIS BOARD can drive down and shoot a 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock.

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I have seen better coaching in the rec leagues I played in a loooong time ago. Seriously.[/QUOTE]

So have I.

They made 17 threes tonight and shot 45% from there. GREAT!

The problem is they shot 44% overall and only got 10 free throw attempts vs OKC's 26.

Chucking 3s just damages so many other important parts of your game that it doesnt even matter if you shoot it well.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

What are you meaning to imply by saying ''don't get your hopes up, he's not bringing Coach K with him''?

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When he's cleared to play, he will have the same coaching impediment that the rest of the Pelicans have to deal with. In other words, Einstein, a basketball coach that isn't.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Alvin is essentially not even coaching. If the players are allowed to shoot whatever they want and no adjustments are made, what exactly is his job? He is responsible for the lineups and those are awful.... So, he’s basically getting paid to do nothing, but put his team in position to lose.

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In post-game interview tonight he basically said we've changed things but we just need to ''make plays''.

Okay, coach, isn't that at least partially your job? To draw up and direct specific plays, particularly late in close games when there are timeouts available?

Also, what things have we really changed? Yes, we switched some pieces about in the starting lineup, but the style of play and actual performance hasn't changed.

Obviously Alvin can't force a player to hit a shot that they miss, and he can't force someone to read the ball correctly off the rim for a rebound, that's beyond his control, but if we come straight out of a time-out and run an iso-ball set then yes, that's at least somewhat his fault.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

They made 17 threes tonight and shot 45% from there. GREAT!

The problem is they shot 44% overall and only got 10 free throw attempts vs OKC's 26.

Chucking 3s just damages so many other important parts of your game that it doesnt even matter if you shoot it well.

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Exactly! Attacking the paint and forcing the opponent to commit fouls should be priority one.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

What are you meaning to imply by saying ''don't get your hopes up, he's not bringing Coach K with him''?

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Just another debbie downer I suppose. Can't we have hope for anything? This season was lost a long time ago, why throw a piano on this rainy parade?

Gentry has turned into Quinn Buckner.