That's why you can't trust their numbers. They are usually behind. I think it was yesterday someone started a thread talking about how much cap we had left and we had the updated numbers in there.
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Griff and Lang, the wheel continues to turn, what's next? WOW!!!
I believed you the first time you said that, I'm just letting you know what I was basing it off of. I usually go there because they are typically pretty quick with updates.
Obviously we can package Moore and Miller to get a bigger salary player (~16mil) money wise yes, but fans have to keep in mind that the team giving up that player actually has to want to take back what we are all agreeing on sending out. If I'm 29 other teams, unless I have a really overpaid player (not sure why Pels would want that anyway), not sure I'd feel great about receiving Darius Miller. Moore is solid, just don't have room for him on this team and we're likely moving in a different direction long term.
That's value of expirings. Moore and Miller are both pretty much expiring deals. A team may take them back to match salaries knowing they're going to be absolutely gone within the space of a couple of months, and will not impact their cap future whatsoever.
Expirings themselves actually hold some value, even before attaching picks or whatever.
Among the 185 NBA players to attempt over 200 jump shots within their team’s half court offense last season, Darius Miller ranked 15th in shooting efficiency.
— Synergy Basketball (@SynergySST) July 3, 2019
Miller can shoot. His downsides have nothing to do with his shot itself.
He's not that fast, he's not particularly athletic, he's not a very good one on one defender (surprisingly capable as a team guy, kind like Korver is), can't create his own shot, is sometimes hesitant to actually TAKE the shots he gets.
Those are his flaws. But if you just park him on the perimeter and tell him to fire open shots, he's fine at that. As the 10th man on the bench (which is what he will be), that's fine.
BTW the second part I was just saying in general, wasn't directed at anything you said previously. I get the players are there to match salaries but the team still has to want those players. You mentioned picks which obviously changes things, my hope would be that we don't move our future 1sts unless Kawhi goes the LA then I don't GAF about the picks anymore. And by future flexibility, you mean not exceeding trade deadline 2020 correct? Because beyond that this serves no purpose as we shouldn't keep him beyond this year if we can't move him.
I feel like this was absolutely true around 2015, but not so much anymore with the cap jumping like it did and insane contracts going out.
By future flexibility I mean roster wise and trade wise. Having Miller and Moore on what is essentially both 1 year deals means we can move one or the other without needing to worry about how their shooting will be replaced. We can also combine them to take back a bigger contract.
Miller's contract specifically allows us to guarantee next year's amount if let's say next summer we need a filler contract to make a trade happen. It also allows us to see how he does in a better fitting role. Instead of forcing him to be a starting SF for us we can use him as a bench player where he might increase his value.
There's a ton of flexibility that a 1+1 deal for 7m adds to a team beyond just adding another shooter to the roster.
I'm not saying he won't play. I'm just saying that he's going to be a deep bench guy, rather than the 6th or 7th man.
The fact that he has the size to play SF doesn't really change much to me. Gentry has made it abundantly clear that he's willing to play 3 guard lineups,and I can't see there being a designated ''play a small forward here'' spot for Miller if just going in a more positionless direction is more helpful to the team.
This also shows Gayle's willingness to spend money. While this contract does not affect our cap it is money spent. As has been so well described repeatedly in this thread this allows us to have a greater ability to make trades down the line. and the cost of that potential is how much we are paying Miller over his market rate. There are some owners that would rather pocket the millions instead.
We played 3 guard lineups because we had nothing else. I can promise you they would have much rather played a SF that could shoot a 3 then put Moore out there as a backup SF.
As far as 6/7/8/9th man I don't know how you make that differential between them. He will be the first SF off the bench to replace Ingram assuming we don't make anymore moves. Is that 6th man or 10th man? I don't think that matters. He will be in the rotation.
I expect Moore and one of the currently unguaranteed players and/or draft compensation will be traded for a backup point guard very soon.
I'm not entirely sure that's the case, especially given our current roster construction. We have the ability to rollout three ''guard'' lineups where none of the guards are under 6'4. Does it really matter if, say, Jrue is listed at 6'4'' when running with him playing the ''SF'' position might be a wiser idea in some cases than playing Miller, just because Miller's listed height is more traditionally fitting of the position? I don't think so.
Like I said, he will get minutes. But when Ingram goes to the bench, I don't think it's imperative whatsoever that he be replaced by a ''small forward''. I don't care if Jrue gets moved up and Redick comes in at the 2, or if Zion slides down to the 3 and we go ultra big with Melli at at the 4, or if both Ingram and Jrue sit simultaneously and we run Lonzo/Redick/Moore/Zion/Favors at some point to just run people until they drop. And of course, that ssumes we aren't playing Hayes, which we may end up actually doing.
I don't think their plan was to give Miller 7m for this year and not either have another trade worked out or a plan to use him for more than a few filler minutes.
Even counting Ingram we hav exactly one guy who is SG size and can shoot the 3 ball on this team, that's Miller.
I'm pretty confident that Miller will play fewer minutes per game this upcoming season than he did last. That's all I'm really saying. He isn't going to be the '6th man', or if he is, it will only be a product of rotations, he won't be what most people think of when they think ''6th man'' which is a guy who doesn't start but ends up playing 25-30 minutes a game and finishing the game anyway (a la Ginobili/Williams).
Just a quick note that we don't have to guarantee next year for the money to count, which is why this type of contract can be valuable. His salary of around $7 mil next year will count for any trade without the receiving team needing to guarantee it, meaning that the team can give us back $7 mil in salary having no intention of ever paying Miller that money.
I like Darius. He's a fine player who can drain a couple 3s. Don't see anything wrong with it to be honest.
Well I mean yeah of course he won't get as many minutes this year. He was the only SF sized player we had on this team with any experience last year and before we started tanking was a significant part of our rotation. Well assuming an injury doesn't happen to Ingram.
I very clearly stated in a post above that this move allows him to go back to a role more suited to him. He won't be pressured with being the main/starting SF on the team anymore. He will be part of the rotation though.
we finally have a good deep team 1-12...everyone on the board should be happy about that....
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/sta...31744595365890
The contract for Darius Miller had to be for a minimum of 2 seasons because NOP is using the early bird provision to sign him. The Pelicans had an advantage with his $2.8M cap hold, allowing the team to use cap space (trades/FA signing) and still exceed the cap to sign Miller..
— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 3, 2019
The money doesn't hurt me because...
- We couldn't sign anyone else anyway.
- We could use him later as a trade filler. Or trading him straight up for a player like Elfrid.
- He won't join the Lakers. We are paying loyalty.
- He has been a serviceable shooter.
Right now the roster is:
PG: Ball - NAW - F.Jackson
SG: Jrue - Redick - Hart
SF: Ingram - Moore - Miller
PF: Zion - Woods - Melli
C: Favors - Okafor - Hayes
Did I miss someone? The roster is overcrowded so I think we are getting ready for a trade. Maybe not now but by the deadline. A package of Moore, Miller, Ball and Okafor fits salary-wise to get Beal, Booker or Towns. I'm not sure why would their teams want to ship those players, but who knows.
Moore. miller and either lonzo or Ingram in Jan or Feb for Beal woop woop! lmao
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As someone said earlier, I do not want to see him on a Lakers team where all he is asked to do is shoot (his specialty). That is one less 3 point specialist on the market for LA. It’s one of those overpays that does nothing to deter us from anything anyway. It’s a flexible deal that surprise surprise, expires in 2021. Griffin is at least looking at that FA class if he can’t get the right trade before then.
I like the trade. He will come off the books next year (giving us money to work with next year), and if he performs well in this system, we still have him on the cheap. It’s a good smart move.
And I have to say, I have been impressed with the way Griff has handled things. Compete now without cash strapping the organization and make ourselves desirable for the 2021 FA class. If we look like real contenders by then, we may get some good looks.
Trade Machine still has Darius at ~2.2M and if you try Moore, Miller, and Ingram for Beal it says Pels have ~4.4M too much incoming salary to make trade work. To make this work Darius would need a salary of about $6,600,000...(thinking face emoji)
Would wizards at least consider those 3 guys plus 2 first rounders for Beal? I think they would consider it.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y63tfkmq
Nobody is even in DC to pick up the phone. That is one of the things I don’t understand about the NBA. It’s happened several times, but how can a team go into the draft and free agency without (sometimes) a coach or (sometimes) a GM. It doesn’t make any sense as to why a team would be without one of those guys at such an important time.
30 year old Moore
Darius Miller, who most people are surprised got more than the minimum from us
Ingram, whose various issues we've gone over a billion times
For
Bradley Beal, from a team that doesn't even have a GM and whose interim management is almost certainly not permitted to make a trade of this scale
....That's not happening. At least not until the deadline, if Ingram pumps up his value enough.