Well since we have objections to Ingram & Tatum(Boston players) what other team could

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

''Kenrich had a hot streak of like 2 games and you were proclaiming him to be better than Ingram. He's not.''

Yeah, well half this board is guys who see Ingram having a 8 game hot streak and proclaiming him to be better than Tatum, so I guess everyone is allowed to be a moron on occasion, no?

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All I've ever said about Ingram is he isn't as bad as yall make him out to be, and I'd still buy stock in his potential. I've said Tatum is better than him, but people act like Tatum has lapped him and is on his way to All NBA.

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And to be clear, I've never said this isn't going to happen! It very well could. I've just said it's far far from the certainty that Pelicans fans think, and IMO more likely to happen assuming the pick isn't #1. IF the pick is #1, there are Knicks folks who will want to keep Zion, and trade Ntilikina, DSJ, Knox, and/or those Dallas picks for the 3rd "star" to round out the roster. But they won't want to trade away Zion for AD. Zion has star power that AD does not. KD and Kyrie would have to force that trade to happen. They might, but they also don't need to in order to be contenders.

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I don't agree with this. Zion is nothing in the NBA yet. AD is a proven superstar at this level and is already an international draw. Zion brings the excitement of unlimited potential and the hope that he might be as good as AD is some day. But nothing more than potential at this point.

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All I've ever said about Ingram is he isn't as bad as yall make him out to be, and I'd still buy stock in his potential. I've said Tatum is better than him, but people act like Tatum has lapped him and is on his way to All NBA.

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Yeah, my comment was pretty clearly tongue-in-cheek. The :D emoji exists only for the most trolling of comments.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

I don't agree with this. Zion is nothing in the NBA yet. AD is a proven superstar at this level and is already an international draw. Zion brings the excitement of unlimited potential and the hope that he might be as good as AD is some day. But nothing more than potential at this point.

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Yeah agreed.

Say what you like about AD as a person, but as a player he's proved himself. He is, when he's engaged and trying, the best player in the NBA in my opinion. Even half-assing it, he's top 5 without any question. This is a guy who was a strong contender for MVP last season and got robbed for a DPOY. Before his numbers were depleted by him playing half-minutes, he was having a historically good season (29.5/13.3/4.5, anyone?). AD has shown himself to have all the potential for all-time great status. Pretending otherwise is sour grapes.

Zion has yet to play a single NBA minute. Everything he is, is just potential. He COULD be the greatest player since Lebron James entered the league. He could also be a bust. I don't think that's likely, but it's possible. AD is guaranteed MVP calibre. Zion is a big question mark.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

I don't agree with this. Zion is nothing in the NBA yet. AD is a proven superstar at this level and is already an international draw. Zion brings the excitement of unlimited potential and the hope that he might be as good as AD is some day. But nothing more than potential at this point.

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AD is an international draw now??? LOL. That's a good one. What's Pelicans game attendance and ratings for national TV games again?

Do you think there was a non playoff game that AD has played in as a pro that was as valuable a ticket on the secondary market as Duke vs UNC?

Zion will sign a bigger shoe contract in two months than AD has ever had a chance to sign.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

All I've ever said about Ingram is he isn't as bad as yall make him out to be, and I'd still buy stock in his potential. I've said Tatum is better than him, but people act like Tatum has lapped him and is on his way to All NBA.

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They were just trolling and playing around is gonna be the only excuse some have to back track on Ingram I’m about a year.. They are right around the same level currently with just 6 months in age separating the 2. When you look at just from a potential stand point Ingram has the higher ceiling imo. I’m pretty confident some just can’t fathom claiming a Lakers player is good and if you switched their situations this discussion would be completely different. I would be ecstatic with either one but I currently lean with Ingram and I don’t see how that is such a problem.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

AD is an international draw now??? LOL. That's a good one. What's Pelicans game attendance and ratings for national TV games again?

Do you think there was a non playoff game that AD has played in as a pro that was as valuable a ticket on the secondary market as Duke vs UNC?

Zion will sign a bigger shoe contract in two months than AD has ever had a chance to sign.

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Yea just from a fan perspective I would care much to tune into AD if on say the Magic. I can promise you with Zion I would tune in to that team along with many others. Yes as of now he just has potential but an instant NBA icon with potential. I do think the Knicks have to make the move for AD if possible but only if they land KD.

If I said Zion has star power that Kawhi Leonard does not, maybe folks would understand the comment better.

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They were just trolling and playing around is gonna be the only excuse some have to back track on Ingram I’m about a year.. They are right around the same level currently with just 6 months in age separating the 2.

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Not really. If Ingram breaks out next season, and shows himself to have improved massively, then good for him. Maybe next year he puts it all together, and starts playing defense. I've said again and again that that's possible.

That doesn't change the fact that he's been underwhelming for 3 years now. It just doesn't. If he's good next season, that doesn't erase the fact that he sucked in his rookie year, and sucked last year, and sucked for 70% of this year too. They're not around the same level now, because Ingram is a one way player who can't shoot, and Tatum is a two way player who can. If Ingram figures out how to shoot consistently (that is, for more than like 6 games or whatever it is right now) then sure, the level will be a lot closer, but right now he has shown no consistency with his shot. That's an issue in a league that almost requires SFs to be able to shoot.

If Ingram is amazing next year, there will be no back tracking for me. I will admit that he's amazing, when he starts being amazing. I won't go back and pretend that I didn't say bad stuff about his play earlier in his career. All that will be, is that he sucked before, and he doesn't anymore. End of.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If I said Zion has star power that Kawhi Leonard does not, maybe folks would understand the comment better.

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If you said that Zion has the name recognition and hype that AD doesn't have, that would make more sense. But when someone says ''star power'', their ability to actually play starts to figure into stuff for me, because being a star is about performance + recognition, and right now Zion only has one of those things.

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If you said that Zion has the name recognition and hype that AD doesn't have, that would make more sense. But when someone says ''star power'', their ability to actually play starts to figure into stuff for me, because being a star is about performance + recognition, and right now Zion only has one of those things.

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Zion is having a great collegiate season, that has exceeded the hype that he had coming into his Freshman year. Yall are acting like dude is coming straight out of a mix tape like Thon Maker! He can obviously play, and his super stardom thus far has been because of his play, not because of any off the court gimmicks or being a winning personality. His play is speaking volumes.

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Zion is having a great collegiate season, that has exceeded the hype that he had coming into his Freshman year. Yall are acting like dude is coming straight out of a mix tape like Thon Maker! He can obviously play, and his super stardom thus far has been because of his play, not because of any off the court gimmicks or being a winning personality. His play is speaking volumes.

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No I'm not acting like that at all. Zion has a HUGE amount of potential. Watching him in college is actually fun, which is crazy to me because I usually find college basketball dull as dirt. He is dynamic, explosive, skilled, strong, and he could be the next Charles Barkley.

There are some reasons to be concerned about his game though. He isn't a brilliant passer. He can't shoot. He's extremely heavy-set, and who knows if that will lead to him being injury prone, particularly in regards to his lower body. He's not massively fast, actually, either. Charles Barkley really is a great comparison for him in these ways. [EDIT: just wanted to clarify here, Barkley was a very good passer, that's not the comparison I'm making]

Will those downsides get in the way of his skills and talent? Probably not, no. But we can't actually know until he's played an NBA game. He would not be the first guy to get hyped to hell in college, and then come into the NBA and not live up to that standard. Yes, he's performing brilliantly. IN COLLEGE. That is different on so many levels to the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll carry over well to the NBA and he'll meet a lot of his expectations. But we can't just pretend like he's proven at an NBA level already.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

They were just trolling and playing around is gonna be the only excuse some have to back track on Ingram I’m about a year.. They are right around the same level currently with just 6 months in age separating the 2. When you look at just from a potential stand point Ingram has the higher ceiling imo. I’m pretty confident some just can’t fathom claiming a Lakers player is good and if you switched their situations this discussion would be completely different. I would be ecstatic with either one but I currently lean with Ingram and I don’t see how that is such a problem.

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imo ingram need to work on his 3 ball,,,get stronger and get out of LA and im good if he is a pelican when the new season start....

tatum stood tall and said he wouldnt mind being the face of the franchise and would love to be here and thats big with me because i want players who want to be here and win....so im good with him or ingram...

now if i can get,,ball,,ingram,,kuzma,,hart and others then i would take that over tatum,,smart and brown....

in 4 or 5 months this board will explode over the AD trade lol....i just want this to be over with so i can enjoy my team....

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imo ingram need to work on his 3 ball,,,get stronger and get out of LA and im good if he is a pelican when the new season start....

tatum stood tall and said he wouldnt mind being the face of the franchise and would love to be here and thats big with me because i want players who want to be here and win....so im good with him or ingram...

now if i can get,,ball,,ingram,,kuzma,,hart and others then i would take that over tatum,,smart and brown....

in 4 or 5 months this board will explode over the AD trade lol....i just want this to be over with so i can enjoy my team....

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I tell people that I love my job every day. I’m currently shopping my resume. Tatum saying that he wants to be here means absolutely nothing.

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All I've ever said about Ingram is he isn't as bad as yall make him out to be, and I'd still buy stock in his potential. I've said Tatum is better than him, but people act like Tatum has lapped him and is on his way to All NBA.

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When I read this forum or listen to nba radio, I feel like Tatum must be a perineal all-star and all nba while Ingram is just pure garbage and a bust smh. Neither is true. Tatum on Boston, a well run organization with tons of talent and great coaching will be a different player on a badly run team with mismatched parts. Ingram plays on a dysfunctional team and still shines. Tatum has taken a step back on this dysfunctional Celtics team. Point of my story is that Taytum isn’t as good as most think and Ingram isn’t as bad as most think.

Tatum is Jesus and Brandon Ingram is a janitor.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

imo ingram need to work on his 3 ball,,,get stronger and get out of LA and im good if he is a pelican when the new season start....

tatum stood tall and said he wouldnt mind being the face of the franchise and would love to be here and thats big with me because i want players who want to be here and win....so im good with him or ingram...

now if i can get,,ball,,ingram,,kuzma,,hart and others then i would take that over tatum,,smart and brown....

in 4 or 5 months this board will explode over the AD trade lol....i just want this to be over with so i can enjoy my team....

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You couldn’t have said it better!! Did Tatum really say he would like to be here? Can you send me a link? If so that’s pretty cool but I’m sure after the mess in LA Ingram might feel the same haha. The pick for me can possibly be the deciding factor depending on where it lands. I agree Ingram needs to get stronger and doing that alone can take his game to another level. Adding some more strength and weight is very easy and he’s right at the age where he will start growing into his body that went on an AD type of growth spurt in HS. I do think his 3 point shot can get better but he is a good 3 point shooter as it is. Last season he shot 39% from 3 point and is currently shooting 33% which isn’t terrible. I think his 3 point shot has taken a dip this season so to adjusting to Lebron where he was relegated to a stand and shoot player early on. Since the all star break he is shooting at a ridiculous 60%. I think I’m a year or 2 Ingram can easily shoot at a 40% clip. What is being ignored is his 50% from the field which is great for a SF and to be that efficient at 21 years old!? Where Ingram needs to improve for me is at the FT line. I don’t like my top scorer not being able to convert at the line. This is an area I do think he will make huge improvements in as he continues to develop. Once his hand comes together he is a 6’10 SF with a 7’3 wingspan scoring 22-25 ppg, 5-7 4pg, and 4-6 apg shooting 50%+ FG, 38%+ 3pt, 75%+ FT. I don’t see how anyone could argue against a SF of that caliber. He is a few points and a couple of assists away from putting up those numbers. Again at just 21 years old this kid has an extremely high ceiling. The next SF with his talent outside of Giannis who I don’t consider a SF is 27 years old or older.

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When I read this forum or listen to nba radio, I feel like Tatum must be a perineal all-star and all nba while Ingram is just pure garbage and a bust smh. Neither is true. Tatum on Boston, a well run organization with tons of talent and great coaching will be a different player on a badly run team with mismatched parts. Ingram plays on a dysfunctional team and still shines. Tatum has taken a step back on this dysfunctional Celtics team. Point of my story is that Taytum isn’t as good as most think and Ingram isn’t as bad as most think.

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Dead on accurate. A few are gonna look like fools. I already see the back tracking starting now making jokes to say they were only kidding lol!

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Tatum is Jesus and Brandon Ingram is a janitor.

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i love ingram but you gave me my laugh for today with this one lol...

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Once his hand comes together he is a 6’10 SF with a 7’3 wingspan scoring 22-25 ppg, 5-7 4pg, and 4-6 apg shooting 50%+ FG, 38%+ 3pt, 75%+ FT. I don’t see how anyone could argue against a SF of that caliber.

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I agree. Once he is putting up career highs in points, rebounds, and assists, as well as career highs in fg% and ft%, and shooting 38% with consistency from deep, then he really would be hard to argue against.

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Dead on accurate. A few are gonna look like fools. I already see the back tracking starting now making jokes to say they were only kidding lol!

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Ingram start off 0-2 tonight.. “see he sucks and is the reason they are losing!!”
Ingram finishes 13-15 for 30 points.. “he’s not that good really cause they lost!!”

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I agree. Once he is putting up career highs in points, rebounds, and assists, as well as career highs in fg% and ft%, and shooting 38% with consistency from deep, then he really would be hard to argue against.

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Ok like I said he shot 39% from 3 last season. Is currently on the pace for FG% I listed at 50%. Is it that far fetched for a 21 year old kid to add 3-5 points, 1 rebound, a couple of assist, and a couple of % points from 3pt to his game? Please tell me how that is so crazy? I can point to SF after SF in the NBA that are stars and super stars who started off nowhere near where he has and took much much bigger leaps then he currently needs to. Basically your whole argument against Ingram is ridiculous.

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Ok like I said he shot 39% from 3 last season. Is it that far fetched for a 21 year old kid to add 3-5 points, 1 rebound, a couple of assist, and a couple of % points on his 3 to his game? Please tell me how that is so crazy?

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Nope, it's not totally crazy. It could happen. In fact, I think some of it probably will happen. He shot 39% from three last season, true, but it was on very few attempts per game (less than 2) and 96% of them were assisted. I'd like to see him show some ability to shoot by creating his own shot, rather than just being a catch and shoot guy.

I think it probably is true that he will improve his rebounding a little. I would be surprised if he never did, he's 6'10, 6'11 or something similar to that. The fact that he is only averaging 5 boards a game is stunning to me. I think he probably will increase that to something like 6 or 7 over time, it would be pretty lame if he didn't. I don't think his assists will improve as much as you do, he doesn't have naturally great vision and when he passes a lot he's prone to turnovers. That's okay, 3 or 3.5 assists a game is fine.

I would add though that him averaging 22-25 points per game isn't adding ''3 or 5'' points, it's adding 4 or 7. Improving your scoring by 7 points per game is a pretty big jump, and I don't think he's going to make that jump any time soon.

LoL just showed how ridiculous your argument is against Ingram. You will literally reach for anything. Let’s discredit his 3pt cause it was assisted on and make up a false %.. the kid creates as well as any young player in the game for himself and if you actually watch him you would see how good of an iso player he is while a stand and shoot player is not his strong point. Let’s criticize his rebounding because he is 6’11.. lol not like his rebounding is just about better then any SF in the NBA had at his age. Oh let’s now criticize his vision proving you don’t watch Ingram at all. Not like they didn’t play him at PG for much of the 2nd half of last season with Magic raving about his ability there and they so happen to play their best basketball and he was averaging well over 5 apg during that time. Let’s also ignore the best college basketball coach of all time in Coach K who raves about his ability to play PG which is what he spent much of his time at Duke playing. I said 22-25 ppg.. my bad 4 points not 3! Yes I think he will score 22 ppg next season with 25 being his max in his prime. So ludicrous isn’t it? Just ignore all of that lol. Keep reaching you have a very poor argument. Just say you don’t like him and leave it there.

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If I said Zion has star power that Kawhi Leonard does not, maybe folks would understand the comment better.

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I get what you are saying and agree. AD and Kawhi don't have star personalities. If they were on TV shows, they would be supporting actors. Yes, they have proved they are superstars on the court and that brings them some notoriety but not as much as it should. AD's play should garner way more attention than Harden, Westbrook, and others.....but it doesn't.

That being said, I much preferred that personality trait than the star one.

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LoL just showed how ridiculous your argument is against Ingram. You will literally reach for anything. Let’s discrsit his 3pt cause it was assisted.. the kid creates as well as any young player in the game for himself. Let’s criticize his rebounding because he is 6’11.. lol not like his rebounding is just about better then any SF in the NBA had at his age. Oh let’s now criticize his vision proving you don’t watch Ingram at all. Not like they didn’t play him at PG for much of the 2nd half of last season where they played their best basketball and he was averaging well over 5 apg during that time. Let’s also ignore coach K using him as a PG often and claiming he has a natural ability of a PG. Just ignore all of that lol.

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You: ''Ingram would be amazing if he was better at scoring, rebounding, and passing, and also shot better from deep more reliably.''
Me: ''Yeah he would, and also I think he probably will improve at rebounding because he's so tall it's kinda surprising he isn't already better at it. Wish he could create his own shot though rather than being so catch and shoot.''
You: ''Ha! This proves it! You're a horrible, ridiculous Ingram hater! You will reach for ANYTHING! You just DON'T WATCH HIM! You don't watch! Coach K said something 4 and a half years ago! ASFBNWS;DKLGNAOSDBNG;AOSKDNGIABGRN''

Dude, stop the meltdowns. Nobody is attacking you personally. I agreed with most of what you said, and gave what I think is a pretty fair evaluation of him as a player. Are we supposed to pretend he's perfect now, just so that you don't get upset? Fine, Ingram has never missed a shot, he has the vision of Magic and he rebounds like prime Rodman. You happy now?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You: ''Ingram would be amazing if he was better at scoring, rebounding, and passing, and also shot better from deep more reliably.''
Me: ''Yeah he would, and also I think he probably will improve at rebounding because he's so tall it's kinda surprising he isn't already better at it. Wish he could create his own shot though rather than being so catch and shoot.''
You: ''Ha! This proves it! You're a horrible, ridiculous Ingram hater! You will reach for ANYTHING! You just DON'T WATCH HIM! You don't watch! Coach K said something 4 and a half years ago! ASFBNWS;DKLGNAOSDBNG;AOSKDNGIABGRN''

Dude, stop the meltdowns. Nobody is attacking you personally. I agreed with most of what you said, and gave what I think is a pretty fair evaluation of him as a player. Are we supposed to pretend he's perfect now, just so that you don't get upset? Fine, Ingram has never missed a shot, he has the vision of Magic and he rebounds like prime Rodman. You happy now?

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I think me claiming him to be perfect is far from it. Me claiming how good he is currently playing to how much potential he has was absolutely attacked. Go read your comments from the other night lol. You try to discredit every single good thing in his game with some but this and that.. It’s pretty easy to get an idea of what your thoughts are on him but maybe I talked you off that ledge.. finally you have come around!! Let there be PEACE!!

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I think me claiming him to be perfect is far from it. Me claiming how good he is currently playing to how much potential he has was absolutely attacked. Go read your comments from the other night lol. You try to discredit every single good thing in his game with some but this and that.. It’s pretty easy to get an idea of what your thoughts are on him but maybe I talked you off that ledge.. finally you have come around!! Let there be PEACE!!

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I cannot believe that I didn't mute you already. Jesus Christ.

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This is laughable. Clearly you keep missing my point.

MY ENTIRE PREMISE is that Kyrie Irving is going to make a decision based on whatever he values most at that time, and given how mercurial he is, he could decide he wants to go back to Cleveland! Whatever he does, impacts the AD market.

1. You assume he's going to look at a situation and go to the best basketball situation, as if that's the only consideration (most times it's not). New York, IMO, would be a better City to live in and be a star in.

2. If BOS trades for AD, and Kyrie stays, he'd likely be playing with most of the team he's currently not quite vibing with. His current beef isn't really with Tatum. They share the same agent.

3. Do you really think AD (going into last year of contract), Hayward (he looks broken), Horford (33 going into last yr of contract) and Brown, is a much better situation than Zion, Dennis Smith, Kevin Knox, Ntilikina, Trier, Robinson (All on Rookie Deals) AND Kevin Durant (on a new deal)?!

4. You are severely undervaluing Kevin Durant (obviously), if you think Brown/Hayward/Horford equal out to him. Are you a closet Celtics fan?! Give me Kevin Durant and 2 league average guys, and I'm taking the KD side of that equation every single time.

C'mon man... I distinctly remember us going back and forth on whether or not Pelicans would play AD after the trade deadline. You were sure you were right, and you were very wrong. Kenrich had a hot streak of 2 games, and you were proclaiming him to be better than Ingram. He's not.

Have you posted anything on here that's not roses and sunshine about the prospects of trading AD to the Celtics?? If someone takes the same approach to a Lakers trade, they get called Lakers fans and LeBron fans. I'm starting to think you're secretly a Gordon Hayward and Celtics fan! Jk... I think.

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1. This point is irrelevant. I'm not assuming anything. I haven't said once ever that I for sure know where Kyrie is going. I think he leans Celtics but I think that is because the Celtics will have a deal in place for AD before Kyrie has a chance to walk. However, I wouldn't say the Knicks are out of it either. My point in this thread from the beginning has been that if the Knicks get Kyrie and KD I think they'd want AD even more to complete the Big 3. I'm perfectly willing to believe Kyrie could go to the Knicks. The only difference is you see it as a foregone conclusion and I'm not that sold on it yet but our entire chain of conversations started because I was following your premise that Kyrie and KD went to NY.

2. This point is irrelevant. How do you know this? Did something leak saying who Kyrie wasn't "vibing" with? Do you know the structure of the trade to say who would be here? Do you know that Boston wouldn't make other moves to get Kyrie's commitment?

3. This point is irrelevant. Where did I say it was a "much better situation"? You're entire "point" with one is that players don't always take the best basketball situation and now in point 3 you're argument is what? That Kyrie won't want Boston because it's not as good of a basketball situation? Do you not see the logical flaws you are making between points 1 and 3?

4. This point is irrelevant. I don't undervalue Durant. I simply think two previous All Stars and multiple other players who have helped a team go to the Conference Finals last year can make up the difference of not having Durant. Of course in a vacuum Durant is better but basketball isn't a vacuum nor were my comments.

5?. This point is irrelevant. You distinctly remember wrong then. My argument was that Silver could never FORCE the Pelicans go play AD. He can't. The most he can do is what is found in the rule books. I was right about that. Now I was wrong in thinking AD wouldn't play again but I think the large majority of people were wrong about that because most of us thought the Pelicans would take the fines and fight it. Instead it appears they are going the path of least resistance until they can justify shutting him down. As far as Kenny Hustle goes, you are distinctly remembering wrong again. I never said Hustle was outright better than Ingram. What I said was an argument could be made that *at the time* our young players were playing better than the Lakers young players. And I will say, outside of Ingram that exact same argument could STILL be made.

6?. This point is irrelevant. Why should I *HAVE* to post anything negative about a trade with the Celtics? I think it's a good trade. I think it's an extremely stupid line of reasoning that because someone thinks a trade is a good idea they must be a closet fan of some random player not involved in the trade at all or of the team the trade is involving. I have been extremely consistent in saying I want the best trade possible for AD. I don't care what team that involves as long as it's the best trade. Atl? Sure. Dallas for Luka? I'd do it all day. The Beal trade you proposed? Yep. You trying to take some petty shots at what team I'm a fan of is just that, petty and weak. Be better.

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No I'm not acting like that at all. Zion has a HUGE amount of potential. Watching him in college is actually fun, which is crazy to me because I usually find college basketball dull as dirt. He is dynamic, explosive, skilled, strong, and he could be the next Charles Barkley.

There are some reasons to be concerned about his game though. He isn't a brilliant passer. He can't shoot. He's extremely heavy-set, and who knows if that will lead to him being injury prone, particularly in regards to his lower body. He's not massively fast, actually, either. Charles Barkley really is a great comparison for him in these ways. [EDIT: just wanted to clarify here, Barkley was a very good passer, that's not the comparison I'm making]

Will those downsides get in the way of his skills and talent? Probably not, no. But we can't actually know until he's played an NBA game. He would not be the first guy to get hyped to hell in college, and then come into the NBA and not live up to that standard. Yes, he's performing brilliantly. IN COLLEGE. That is different on so many levels to the NBA.

Personally, I think he'll carry over well to the NBA and he'll meet a lot of his expectations. But we can't just pretend like he's proven at an NBA level already.

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Never said he was proven. But the first part of your post speaks to exactly what I was saying.... dude has people watching college basketball who otherwise think the sport is dull. That's what having star power is. That's why the Knicks, if they already have KD and Kyrie in the bag, might defer on trading for Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis doesn't attract casual eyeballs that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Zion reminds me of a cross between Larry Johnson and Blake Griffin.

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Never said he was proven. But the first part of your post speaks to exactly what I was saying.... dude has people watching college basketball who otherwise think the sport is dull. That's what having star power is. That's why the Knicks, if they already have KD and Kyrie in the bag, might defer on trading for Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis doesn't attract casual eyeballs that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Zion reminds me of a cross between Larry Johnson and Blake Griffin.

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I guess it's just a semantic issue because for me, as I said elsewhere, STAR power is performance + hype. Right now, Zion is ALL hype, because he hasn't had a chance to perform at an NBA level, so I can't say he's a star or that he has star power. He has hype, right now. That's all.

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...You trying to take some petty shots at what team I'm a fan of is just that, petty and weak. Be better.

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So you're admitting you're a Celtics fan. Makes sense now.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

5?. This point is irrelevant. You distinctly remember wrong then. My argument was that Silver could never FORCE the Pelicans go play AD. He can't. The most he can do is what is found in the rule books. I was right about that. Now I was wrong in thinking AD wouldn't play again but I think the large majority of people were wrong about that because most of us thought the Pelicans would take the fines and fight it. Instead it appears they are going the path of least resistance until they can justify shutting him down. As far as Kenny Hustle goes, you are distinctly remembering wrong again. I never said Hustle was outright better than Ingram. What I said was an argument could be made that *at the time* our young players were playing better than the Lakers young players. And I will say, outside of Ingram that exact same argument could STILL be made.

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Wouldn't it have been easier to just say you were wrong here?

But since this is a trade thread...

LUNDI GRAS BONUS TRADE OF THE DAY!

Clippers
Anthony Davis

Pelicans
SGA
Lou Williams
Gallinari
First available top 4 protected Clipper Pick, or 2020 Philly Pick - whichever is higher.
2021 Unprotected Miami Pick

Clippers were on AD's list and could still sign Kawhi this summer. That would be a pretty nasty team.

Pels would roll out...

SGA/Frank
Jrue/Lou/Moore
Gallinari/Kenrich
Randle/Diallo
Jaxson Hayes (Pels 1st)/Okafor

Dang Ingram isn’t playing tonight! I have been waiting to watch the damn game all day! Let’s see what Kuz can do!

Not a fan of trading with the Clippers at all. Only way I would even consider is with a top pick. Nobody on that team really interest me as part of a core I would like going forward. Some solid role players but nothing special.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Not a fan of trading with the Clippers at all. Only way I would even consider is with a top pick. Nobody on that team really interest me as part of a core I would like going forward. Some solid role players but nothing special.

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Hey!

We agree on something!

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Not a fan of trading with the Clippers at all. Only way I would even consider is with a top pick. Nobody on that team really interest me as part of a core I would like going forward. Some solid role players but nothing special.

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It's not my preferred trade either, but SGA is going to be good and that Miami pick could have a lot of value if Miami misses on free agents in 2020.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

So you're admitting you're a Celtics fan. Makes sense now.:rolleyes:

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You got me! I've spent 7 years and 15k posts on a Pelicans forum because I'm actually a closet Celtics fan...

The Lakers lost and Ingram scored 0 points!! Trash!! On a real note should he now carry the injury prone designation?

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

The Lakers lost and Ingram scored 0 points!! Trash!! On a real note should he now carry the injury prone designation?

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Yes. In fact, it's a shoulder injury, right?

I don't even think he has arms.

After watching the Clippers game I found a good comparison for Kuzma. He has a very similar skill set and talent as Galinari. I like Kuzma more out of the two but I had trouble comparing him to anyone and that’s the closest comparison I have found so far.

My gut says AD will be traded to the Knicks joining KD and Kyrie. Boston won't offer Tatum if Kyrie leaves and the Pels won't trade within the conference so easily.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yes. In fact, it's a shoulder injury, right?

I don't even think he has arms.

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Haha you gave me a good laugh! Like I said before I agree with most things you say!

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

My gut says AD will be traded to the Knicks joining KD and Kyrie. Boston won't offer Tatum if Kyrie leaves and the Pels won't trade within the conference so easily.

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I agree with this. IMO the 2 most likely teams will be the Knicks and Lakers. Whether we choose the Knicks over the Lakers will come down to where the Knicks slot in the draft. I would much rather see him go to the Knicks making the Eastern conference tougher. The Knicks being relevant is good for basketball and as a fan of the NBA in general exciting. The East is slowly becoming a better conference at the top and next season will likely have 8 good teams for once.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I agree with this. IMO the 2 most likely teams will be the Knicks and Lakers. Whether we choose the Knicks over the Lakers will come down to where the Knicks slot in the draft. I would much rather see him go to the Knicks making the Eastern conference tougher. The Knicks being relevant is good for basketball and as a fan of the NBA in general exciting. The East is slowly becoming a better conference at the top and next season will likely have 8 good teams for once.

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The irony of trading with the Lakers in the offseason is they may end up with a decent pick especially if they do shut down Lebron since they're basically out of it now. I'm not a huge fan of trading with the Knicks outside of their pick and maybe DSJ and Robinson, but their other young guys are underwhelming though none of them will be an upcoming FA the following season unlike Ingram who has one season to show he will be worth a big contract.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

The irony of trading with the Lakers in the offseason is they may end up with a decent pick especially if they do shut down Lebron since they're basically out of it now. I'm not a huge fan of trading with the Knicks outside of their pick and maybe DSJ and Robinson, but their other young guys are underwhelming though none of them will be an upcoming FA the following season unlike Ingram who has one season to show he will be worth a big contract.

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I feel like Ingram will get a big contract.

Either he makes that leap that some people expect, and we pay him, or someone else will take the flier and offer him big money that we'll either have to match, or let him go.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I feel like Ingram will get a big contract.

Either he makes that leap that some people expect, and we pay him, or someone else will take the flier and offer him big money that we'll either have to match, or let him go.

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That's why I'm really wary of trading for him right now just because he's only a rookie deal for one more season and then he gets paid and he's been a replacement level player so he in his three seasons except for the last 5 games which is the most famous 5 game stretch since Linsanity a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

That's why I'm really wary of trading for him right now just because he's only a rookie deal for one more season and then he gets paid and he's been a replacement level player so he in his three seasons except for the last 5 games which is the most famous 5 game stretch since Linsanity a few years ago.

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Totally agreed. I'm fully willing to accept that he might make that leap, and if he does then I'd love to have him, but I'm not making my choices based on a handful of games. He's been, like you say, replacement level so far. Good, decent, but nothing particularly impressive. Someone is going to take that chance and throw big money at him, and I don't wanna lose my return for AD just because Orlando or whatever is willing to pay Ingram $20m a year or whatever it will be.

The right answer is the NYK and they were the right answer at the deadline. Picks are just better because it extends the timeline and increase the margin of error.

All depends on the lottery snd Kyrie's FA decision.