Bledsoe wants out of PHX

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I would like Bledsoe.... But we really need to keep our picks and somehow get rookie stars on this team for cap relief. Bledsoe on a one year left on his deal after this year and looking to get paid 100+ million. We about Max Boggie... So, it's not like we can do much other than doing a one year rental. Pick is more valuable...

The team isn't generating enough profit to validate going any further into the luxury tax hole than it already is... So, I'm on the fence.

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This is a city that isn’t going to embrace the team until they are consistently winning.

This franchise has backed themselves into a corner asset wise, the only realistic way I see them getting to that point is making the investment in another star and going into that higher luxury threshold and being a consistent 50 win team with healthy playoff stints.

Star or not. Bledsoe makes no sense. We have a hole at SF and a huge hole at backup C. We have 2 superstars who currently have to be on the floor for 48 minutes. If AD or Cousins go down for a couple games Bledsoe can not fill in at the 5. We can not use all of our tradeable assets on another guard, it just doesn't make sense. Guard is the only position we have sufficient depth.

ESPN Sources: Eric Bledsoe met with team this morning before shootaround and he was sent home. He will not play tonight against Sacramento.

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This is crazy!!

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Star or not. Bledsoe makes no sense. We have a hole at SF and a huge hole at backup C. We have 2 superstars who currently have to be on the floor for 48 minutes. If AD or Cousins go down for a couple games Bledsoe can not fill in at the 5. We can not use all of our tradeable assets on another guard, it just doesn't make sense. Guard is the only position we have sufficient depth.

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A backup center is much easier to fill than a legitimate long-term point guard next to Jrue, particularly when that center would receive limited minutes to begin with. That's something I expect to use the injury exception for. Long term we have Diallo, so no that's not really a concern.

You've seen what a solid, high HQ point guard can do for our offense now with Nelson, particularly in close games. Now imagine that long-term with a better, more athletic player like Bledsoe who also fills in other needs like getting to the FT line.

You keep acting like we know what we have in Rondo. We don't. And I don't believe for a second he was ever meant to be a long-term solution. When you have the opportunity to grab that long-term solution, you go for it. Short-term concerns be damned.

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I say if we can get Bledsoe do it never turn down all start talent .


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I will cry if he goes to the Nuggets.

Man, I wanted Bledsoe more than anything this offseason. But I just don't see how it works now.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

A backup center is much easier to fill than a legitimate long-term point guard next to Jrue, particularly when that center would receive limited minutes to begin with. That's something I expect to use the injury exception for. Long term we have Diallo, so no that's not really a concern.

You've seen what a solid, high HQ point guard can do for our offense now with Nelson, particularly in close games. Now imagine that long-term with a better, more athletic player like Bledsoe who also fills in other needs like getting to the FT line.

You keep acting like we know what we have in Rondo. We don't. And I don't believe for a second he was ever meant to be a long-term solution. When you have the opportunity to grab that long-term solution, you go for it. Short-term concerns be damned.

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Bledsoe is a more athletic Jrue Holiday. He is not a PG. He is an undersized SG.

We do know what we have in Rondo. He's been playing the same game for the last 10 years. He's the PG we need. Not another scoring PG.

Point is we already signed Rondo/Nelson at a discount to fill up PG duties for the season and hopefully resign them in the off season. We already paid Jrue. What is Bledsoe supposed to play 15 min/game? Or do we bench Rondo and risk messing up our team chemistry and reputation around the league? That's a lot for Bledsoe. He is not even a PG and never will be.

Also, show me one backup center that we can easily Sign? There is none. We can only trade for one and we're going to use all of our assets for another Guard? Doesn't make sense.

We need another big man. I don't see us getting Bledsoe. We are fine at pg.


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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Bledsoe is a more athletic Jrue Holiday. He is not a PG. He is an undersized SG.

We do know what we have in Rondo. He's been playing the same game for the last 10 years. He's the PG we need. Not another scoring PG.

Point is we already signed Rondo/Nelson at a discount to fill up PG duties for the season and hopefully resign them in the off season. We already paid Jrue. What is Bledsoe supposed to play 15 min/game? Or do we bench Rondo and risk messing up our team chemistry and reputation around the league? That's a lot for Bledsoe. He is not even a PG and never will be.

Also, show me one backup center that we can easily Sign? There is none. We can only trade for one and we're going to use all of our assets for another Guard? Doesn't make sense.

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1- Again, you're acting like a backup center on this team is extremely important. It isn't. A player like David Lee or Thomas Robinson can easily fill those minutes. We also have Diallo sitting on the pine.

2- How can we know what we have in Rondo? He hasn't played a single regular season game for us, and only what, 2 preseason games? That's a silly statement. It's one thing to know what a player brings to the table. It's another to see how that skillset actually meshes with the rest of the team.

3- What about Bledsoe's game makes you think he can't play point next to Jrue? I would like to have actual information to support that assertion.

That would be great if we could get him you can move jrue pack to the 2 and when rondo comes back you can decide which one you'd want coming off with bench with Nelson and have Clark play the 3 that could be scary good bench and starting 5

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Star or not. Bledsoe makes no sense. We have a hole at SF and a huge hole at backup C. We have 2 superstars who currently have to be on the floor for 48 minutes. If AD or Cousins go down for a couple games Bledsoe can not fill in at the 5. We can not use all of our tradeable assets on another guard, it just doesn't make sense. Guard is the only position we have sufficient depth.

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I agree Bledsoe is not the star i would prefer, what we really need is a point forward type to balance our other big assets.

At the same time, there is a case to be made that just getting that star improves you ability to get that more fitting piece down the line. Think about Houston and the saga that got James Harden or OKC getting Melo and George.

Other teams would definitely want Bledsoe or be willing to trade their disgruntled small forward for our great player but bad fit Bledsoe.

The anchor of course is Jrue and his contract. And so a lot of this is just hypothetical by avoiding the elephant in the room .

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1- Again, you're acting like a backup center on this team is extremely important. It isn't. A player like David Lee or Thomas Robinson can easily fill those minutes. We also have Diallo sitting on the pine.

2- How can we know what we have in Rondo? He hasn't played a single regular season game for us, and only what, 2 preseason games? That's a silly statement. It's one thing to know what a player brings to the table. It's another to see how that skillset actually meshes with the rest of the team.

3- What about Bledsoe's game makes you think he can't play point next to Jrue? I would like to have actual information to support that assertion.

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1. Just like we can get anybody to run backup PG like Jordan Crawford huh? No, we need quality depth. It's not conducive to have AD or Cousins on the floor at all times for the whole season.

2. I have no worries about Rondo. His game fits with anyone, especially a team without a primary ball handler.

3. The part where he's just a more athletic Jrue. He's not a real PG. Average handle, average vision, very good scorer.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I agree Bledsoe is not the star i would prefer, what we really need is a point forward type to balance our other big assets.

At the same time, there is a case to be made that just getting that star improves you ability to get that more fitting piece down the line. Think about Houston and the saga that got James Harden or OKC getting Melo and George.

Other teams would definitely want Bledsoe or be willing to trade their disgruntled small forward for our great player but bad fit Bledsoe.

The anchor of course is Jrue and his contract. And so a lot of this is just hypothetical by avoiding the elephant in the room .

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Yeah that makes sense. But I still remember how Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans would be great assets that we could move for a better player down the line. The fact that Bledsoe is injury prone does not help either.

1. Backup point guard and backup center are two completely different things, especially on this team. One is much more needed on this team than the other, because Jrue is Jrue and AD and Boogie are AD and Boogie. And to pretend that signing a proven player like David Lee or a player who has been in our system for multiple years like Diallo is the same as patching up the backup point position with a gunner who was playing in Asia last year is ignorant.

2. That's cool. But again, there's no proof.

3. So are you going to keep throwing out opinions? Or use facts?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Yeah that makes sense. But I still remember how Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans would be great assets that we could move for a better player down the line. The fact that Bledsoe is injury prone does not help either.

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And Rondo is not injury prone?

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. Backup point guard and backup center are two completely different things, especially on this team. One is much more needed on this team than the other, because Jrue is Jrue and AD and Boogie are AD and Boogie. And to pretend that signing a proven player like David Lee or a player who has been in our system for multiple years like Diallo is the same as patching up the backup point position with a gunner who was playing in Asia last year is ignorant.

2. That's cool. But again, there's no proof.

3. So are you going to keep throwing out opinions? Or use facts?

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1. Are you somehow forgetting all of the years we have had a trash C? We don't have a backup big. Are you not concerned about getting your 2 superstars rest?

2. Same could be said about Bledsoe huh?

3. I Don't know what facts you are looking for. Have you ever watched Bledsoe play basketball?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. Are you somehow forgetting all of the years we have had a trash C? We don't have a backup big. Are you not concerned about getting your 2 superstars rest?

2. Same could be said about Bledsoe huh?

3. I Don't know what facts you are looking for. Have you ever watched Bledsoe play basketball?

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1. It's a need. But it's not a concern to the extent that we have to keep our assets. We needed a backup point, and we went out and got Nelson. The same can be done for our backup C position.

2. Yes, it can. That is absolutely true. Rondo and Bledsoe are equally unproven. That's the point. You can't pretend that we're good at point when we don't know what we have.

I would rather take the gamble on the player who is younger, more athletic, and unquestionably more talented at this point in his career. That's Bledsoe.

3. Yes, I have watched Bledsoe play basketball. So have all his coaches. You know, the ones that continue to play him at point? Just because he can be a combo guard, doesn't mean he can't play point effectively.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. It's a need. But it's not a concern to the extent that we have to keep our assets. We needed a backup point, and we went out and got Nelson. The same can be done for our backup C position.

2. Yes, it can. That is absolutely true. Rondo and Bledsoe are equally unproven. That's the point. You can't pretend that we're good at point when we don't know what we have.

I would rather take the gamble on the player who is younger, more athletic, and unquestionably more talented at this point in his career. That's Bledsoe.

3. Yes, I have watched Bledsoe play basketball. So have all his coaches. You know, the ones that continue to play him at point? Just because he can be a combo guard, doesn't mean he can't play point effectively.

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1. Backup bigs do not grow on trees. We are not going to all of a sudden pick up a quality big off waivers. There are literally none available. David Lee is not quality. We will need to trade for one. We can't give up all of our assets for Bledsoe.

2. Bledsoe is also more expensive and unproven as a winner. I'll take the 4x all-star, 4x defensive team, 3x assist leader, NBA champion for $3 million and hopefully resign him for $8-10M/yr. Over the 0x all star, no playoff appearances as a starter, 6apg with heavy usage for $15 million and will be seeking $126M when his contract expires.

3. Play him at point with what other options? Was Booker supposed to run point? Jrue played PG for years out of necessity.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. Just like we can get anybody to run backup PG like Jordan Crawford huh?

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So your argument is we don’t need Bledsoe because our guards are good, and then your example of that is pointing out how bad of a situation we have with the guards on our team. Wut. . .

Listen, you don’t miss an opportunity to get a star player when you can. Rondo, Clark, Nelson are all irrelevant because they are on 1 year deals.

You want to talk about quality depth, imagine being able to move Moore back to the bench role he should be on and having Rondo coming off the bench.

Even better imagine being able to slide Cunningham up to playing more PF minutes and run with 3 guards because of the added depth.

We definitely need a backup big. I’ve been saying it all summer. But you simply don’t pass on a star player because you are worried about backup depth at a thin position. That can always been filled. It’s rare to get a shot at a star.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. Backup bigs do not grow on trees. We are not going to all of a sudden pick up a quality big off waivers. There are literally none available. David Lee is not quality. We will need to trade for one. We can't give up all of our assets for Bledsoe.

2. Bledsoe is also more expensive and unproven as a winner. I'll take the 4x all-star, 4x defensive team, 3x assist leader, NBA champion for $3 million and hopefully resign him for $8-10M/yr. Over the 0x all star, no playoff appearances as a starter, 6apg with heavy usage for $15 million and will be seeking $126M when his contract expires.

3. Play him at point with what other options? Was Booker supposed to run point? Jrue played PG for years out of necessity.

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1. Did we not just pick up a quality point off waivers? And you continue to oversell the importance of a backup big. AD and Boogie are going to play significant, staggered minutes. It is a need, but not to the extent that you bypass the opportunity to acquire a difference maker with long-term potential.

2. I would take those statistics too if we went into a time machine and traveled back in time five years ago. By that logic, we shouldn't want AD or Boogie because they are expensive and unproven winners. Might as well mention that Jrue is a one-time all star!

3. That's a fair point. My bigger issue is I don't think the player opposite Jrue has to be extremely pass-first to the extent that Rondo is. I think we're severely underestimating just how bad Jrue is at handling the ball and making decisions. Placing just an average ball handler and decision maker next to Jrue would probably do wonders, and I think Bledsoe is at least that, if not a lot better.

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So your argument is we don’t need Bledsoe because our guards are good, and then your example of that is pointing out how bad of a situation we have with the guards on our team. Wut. . .

Listen, you don’t miss an opportunity to get a star player when you can. Rondo, Clark, Nelson are all irrelevant because they are on 1 year deals.

You want to talk about quality depth, imagine being able to move Moore back to the bench role he should be on and having Rondo coming off the bench.

Even better imagine being able to slide Cunningham up to playing more PF minutes and run with 3 guards because of the added depth.

We definitely need a backup big. I’ve been saying it all summer. But you simply don’t pass on a star player because you are worried about backup depth at a thin position. That can always been filled. It’s rare to get a shot at a star.

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The 28 year old who has never even been a honorable mention to make an all-star team is the can't miss star we can't pass up?

I never said our guard situation was terrible. I said Crawford was. The only reason he seen the court was due to injury. We have Nelson now and another guy named Rondo will be returning soon.

Rondo is better than Bledsoe he's not coming off the bench. It's so much more to basketball than scoring, being athletic and looking cool. You're going to ask Rondo to happily play 15-20 minutes off the bench? At least be realistic.

I don't see the point of loading up on guards when Bigs are our advantage. The more rest we can get for AD/Boogie the more dangerous we will be.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Rondo is better than Bledsoe

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This is the point the train went flying off the tracks, fell into a ravine, and burst into flames.

Apparently Bledsoe told the Suns he was at the hair salon in regards to the tweet. LOL.

They didn’t believe him.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Apparently Bledsoe told the Suns he was at the hair salon in regards to the tweet. LOL.

They didn’t believe him.

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Lmao :hihi:

I don’t feel bad for Phoenix at all. Bledsoe has been asking for a trade for a long time. They haven’t made one because they wanted too much now they will get less than they could have over the summer.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don’t feel bad for Phoenix at all. Bledsoe has been asking for a trade for a long time. They haven’t made one because they wanted too much now they will get less than they could have over the summer.

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Yeah, it's inexcusable that they didn't trade him over the summer. It's long been evident that he wasn't a good fit for the current direction they are headed in.

Jrue Holiday is essentially a back up reserve player thrusted into a starter at a ballooned inflated salary.
Without beating a dead horse of details we have a list of his defects or lack of skill set to be a dominant player.
It looks like DC is a gone pecan from any long time plans with this franchise.
I agree with another post about needing to build from the draft not getting patches in the tire always on over priced free agents.
We are far away from being a 50 Win team. I think the new Head Coach again finding a candidate that wants this job is tough.
We have very little to offer outside of AD. We have basically multiple bad dead end contracts with players in a small market.
Out best hope is for DC to play lights out injury free then trade him before the All Star break for some assets to recoup from trading for him. Then we hopefully can build something around AD to be competitive in the 40+ game win mark. I think with good Head Coaching along with smart upper mgmt that is a realistic goal.

It's a shame we already used our money on Holiday. I wish we could have waited for Bledsoe if that were possible (I forgot how the whole cap situation is in the NBA)!

Asik/Diallo/Moore/1st for Chandler/Bledsoe.

Let's do it.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Asik/Diallo/Moore/1st for Chandler/Bledsoe.

Let's do it.

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Been a while NM. Good to see you back.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Asik/Diallo/Moore/1st for Chandler/Bledsoe.

Let's do it.

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Indeed, lets do it.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. Did we not just pick up a quality point off waivers? And you continue to oversell the importance of a backup big. AD and Boogie are going to play significant, staggered minutes. It is a need, but not to the extent that you bypass the opportunity to acquire a difference maker with long-term potential.

2. I would take those statistics too if we went into a time machine and traveled back in time five years ago. By that logic, we shouldn't want AD or Boogie because they are expensive and unproven winners. Might as well mention that Jrue is a one-time all star!

3. That's a fair point. My bigger issue is I don't think the player opposite Jrue has to be extremely pass-first to the extent that Rondo is. I think we're severely underestimating just how bad Jrue is at handling the ball and making decisions. Placing just an average ball handler and decision maker next to Jrue would probably do wonders, and I think Bledsoe is at least that, if not a lot better.

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1. Quality guards are picked up off waivers literally every year. The only quality big I can think of that was picked up in the last 15 years off waivers is Hassan Whiteside. Quality bigs don't grow on trees. I'm not over selling the need for a backup big. The only time we see AD/Boogie on the floor together fully energized is to start the 1st and 3rd quarters. Every other time it's a tired AD playing with an energized Boogie or vice versa. We can't do that for 82 games + playoffs. AD or Boogie is required to play the entire 12 minutes of the 4th, that is not helping us down the stretch. Staggering all game is not smart.

2. Rondo' s numbers never dropped off though. He was balling in Chicago before Wade start being a little ********. Let me remind you of a 30 year old PG named Steve Nash that went to Phoenix and won back to back MVPs. Or a 34 year old named Jason Kidd who went to Dallas and won a championship. The point is High IQ players who study and think the game at a high level, can play at a high level for a long time. AD, Boogie and Jrue do not know how to win games yet. And neither does Bledsoe, so they can't learn from him. Losers can't teach losers how to win, that's the blind leading the blind.

3. That's true but placing an elite ball handler and decision maker next to Jrue and our big 3 would be much more fruitful. With Bledsoe we will still have the problem of who's going to get the ball to our bigs in the post when the defense tighten up in the 4th.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This is the point the train went flying off the tracks, fell into a ravine, and burst into flames.

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Lol the ability to run an offense and play the game the right way at a high level is severely underrated on this board. Severely.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Asik/Diallo/Moore/1st for Chandler/Bledsoe.

Let's do it.

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This doesn't work. Pels would be taking in ~7mil more in salary, thus making the trade illegal.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8sewgsh

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. Quality guards are picked up off waivers literally every year. The only quality big I can think of that was picked up in the last 15 years off waivers is Hassan Whiteside. Quality bigs don't grow on trees. I'm not over selling the need for a backup big. The only time we see AD/Boogie on the floor together fully energized is to start the 1st and 3rd quarters. Every other time it's a tired AD playing with an energized Boogie or vice versa. We can't do that for 82 games + playoffs. AD or Boogie is required to play the entire 12 minutes of the 4th, that is not helping us down the stretch. Staggering all game is not smart.

2. Rondo' s numbers never dropped off though. He was balling in Chicago before Wade start being a little ********. Let me remind you of a 30 year old PG named Steve Nash that went to Phoenix and won back to back MVPs. Or a 34 year old named Jason Kidd who went to Dallas and won a championship. The point is High IQ players who study and think the game at a high level, can play at a high level for a long time. AD, Boogie and Jrue do not know how to win games yet. And neither does Bledsoe, so they can't learn from him. Losers can't teach losers how to win, that's the blind leading the blind.

3. That's true but placing an elite ball handler and decision maker next to Jrue and our big 3 would be much more fruitful. With Bledsoe we will still have the problem of who's going to get the ball to our bigs in the post when the defense tighten up in the 4th.

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1. Are we really setting the bar of a quality backup big at Hassan Whiteside?

2. High IQ is a lasting and important trait, I agree. But to pretend that Rondo is the same player he's always been is ignorant. He doesn't have the same speed and explosion as he used to nor does he exert much effort on the defensive end anymore. Shooting, as a skill, is also at an all time premium and he's shown little to no improvement in that area over the course of his career.

I don't know where I stand on "teaching winning." I think having winners is important to a certain extent, and we have those in Clark, Allen, and Nelson. Does it matter if those "winners" are starting versus coming off the bench? At the same time, winning is dictated by circumstance and none of our core players have had the greatest luck in that department. I'm not sure it's fair to use that as a dispositive factor, particularly when the talent gap between Bledsoe and Rondo is so large.

3. I think Bledsoe is more than capable of making an entry pass. Again, this comes down to undervaluing how horrible Holiday is as a lead guard. It only takes an average guard to defer to our Big 2. Bledsoe is that and much more.

We can debate the same three points over and over again, but if you think Rondo is a better player than Bledsoe, this isn't going to go anywhere.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. Are we really setting the bar of a quality backup big at Hassan Whiteside?

2. High IQ is a lasting and important trait, I agree. But to pretend that Rondo is the same player he's always been is ignorant. He doesn't have the same speed and explosion as he used to nor does he exert much effort on the defensive end anymore.

I don't know where I stand on "teaching winning." I think having winners is important to a certain extent, and we have those in Clark, Allen, and Nelson. Does it matter if those "winners" are starting versus coming off the bench? At the same time, winning is dictated by circumstance and none of our core players have had the greatest luck in that department.

3. I think Bledsoe is more than capable of making an entry pass. Again, this comes down to undervaluing how horrible Holiday is as a lead guard. It only takes an average guard to defer to our Big 2.

We can debate the same three points over and over again, but if you think Rondo is a better player than Bledsoe, this isn't going to go anywhere.

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1. No. I'm saying there were no others. They lucked up with Whiteside. You can try naming one though, I gave you a 15 year window.

2. Rondo has not lost his speed. He still pushes the break with the best of them. He was never known for dunking on people. But you do bring up an interesting point becausr Bledsoe (who relies heavily on athleticism) will be 30 in 2 years. You're willing to pay him $125M then?

3. Everyone is capable of making an entry pass.. It's the part where you have to create the avenue for the pass to be made is what we struggle with. Unless Bledsoe is our closer and AD/Boogie just have to rebound his misses... should've brought back Tyreke in that case.

Bledsoe is more athletic and a better scorer. But what else does he do that's better than Rondo? Rondo brings so many intangibles that Bledsoe doesn't offer. Is Bledsoe going to be sitting down showing AD/Boogie how to break down film like Rondo? Is Bledsoe going to control the pace of the game like Rondo? Again it's so much more to basketball than scoring, jumping high and looking cool. Rondo is literally elite at everything you would want from a PG besides shooting/scoring. Is Bledsoe even considered an elite scorer? I'm not sure but I know he isn't an elite floor general.

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1. Are we really setting the bar of a quality backup big at Hassan Whiteside?

2. High IQ is a lasting and important trait, I agree. But to pretend that Rondo is the same player he's always been is ignorant. He doesn't have the same speed and explosion as he used to nor does he exert much effort on the defensive end anymore. Shooting, as a skill, is also at an all time premium and he's shown little to no improvement in that area over the course of his career.

I don't know where I stand on "teaching winning." I think having winners is important to a certain extent, and we have those in Clark, Allen, and Nelson. Does it matter if those "winners" are starting versus coming off the bench? At the same time, winning is dictated by circumstance and none of our core players have had the greatest luck in that department. I'm not sure it's fair to use that as a dispositive factor, particularly when the talent gap between Bledsoe and Rondo is so large.

3. I think Bledsoe is more than capable of making an entry pass. Again, this comes down to undervaluing how horrible Holiday is as a lead guard. It only takes an average guard to defer to our Big 2. Bledsoe is that and much more.

We can debate the same three points over and over again, but if you think Rondo is a better player than Bledsoe, this isn't going to go anywhere.

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As a "point guard" Bledsoe very much IS Jrue. Which is to say he's really not. He's another 1/2 who's talents lie in areas other than floor generaling/running a team. Whether he's "better" than Rondo or not, he's not "better" at the things Rondo can do that this Pels team really needs in order to sing.

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1. No. I'm saying there were no others. They lucked up with Whiteside. You can try naming one though, I gave you a 15 year window.

2. Rondo has not lost his speed. He still pushes the break with the best of them. He was never known for dunking on people. But you do bring up an interesting point becausr Bledsoe (who relies heavily on athleticism) will be 30 in 2 years. You're willing to pay him $125M then?

3. Everyone is capable of making an entry pass.. It's the part where you have to create the avenue for the pass to be made is what we struggle with. Unless Bledsoe is our closer and AD/Boogie just have to rebound his misses... should've brought back Tyreke in that case.

Bledsoe is more athletic and a better scorer. But what else does he do that's better than Rondo? Rondo brings so many intangibles that Bledsoe doesn't offer. Is Bledsoe going to be sitting down showing AD/Boogie how to break down film like Rondo? Is Bledsoe going to control the pace of the game like Rondo? Again it's so much more to basketball than scoring, jumping high and looking cool. Rondo is literally elite at everything you would want from a PG besides shooting/scoring. Is Bledsoe even considered an elite scorer? I'm not sure but I know he isn't an elite floor general.

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1. Chris Anderson. Heck, last year McGee with the Warriors. It's fairly easy to find names if you're actually looking and set the bar at a reasonable level.

2. If you think Rondo is the same player now that he was prior to his ACL injury, I don't know what to say.

3. Tyreke took the ball out of Jrue's hands and we made the playoffs (without Cousins). Also Bledsoe is an elite pick and roll handler that draws free throws at an elite rate.

But again, if you think Rondo is a better player than Bledsoe, this is a waste of time.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/1...-consider-now/

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New Orleans Pelicans

Before we look at a proposal, just a quick note: Jrue Holiday is a better fit with this roster. He's a great off-ball shooter, a great defender, and maintenance personality. Also, he can't be dealt until January 14, and he makes over $12 million more per year than Bledsoe so the math is difficult. Stop suggesting this trade.

Pelicans receive: Eric Bledsoe
Suns receive: Omer Asik, E'waun Moore, 2019 top-20 protected first-round pick

Analysis: Look, the Pelicans currently have no picks outbound and that's just not the way the NBA works. We have to have them owe someone a pick, it's in the bylaws. Plus, they can put Bledsoe next to Holiday (or Jameer Nelson) (or Rajon Rondo) (or Jameer Nelson) and his skillset compliments all of those guys. His athleticism in the open floor with Anthony Davis and Cousins would be crazy, plus, Kentucky guy. This is a bold idea given their guard glut, but honestly, running out three guards with the two big beasts makes some sense.

The Suns need the pick because they're taking back Asik's contract, one of the worst in the league. E'Twaun Moore is a really solid veteran who would play well for them, and his deal is movable.

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You guys all make valid points but the big picture is we are tapped out of resources.
We have major flaws that just can't be patched up so simple and easy.
I have said this lets play it out as is. We should get 3 wins this month.
November we need 7 wins to be at 10 wins at the 21 game mark.
At that time upper mgmt can decide the future of Alvin Gentry. If we are well below that well he should be Fired on the spot.

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Lol the ability to run an offense and play the game the right way at a high level is severely underrated on this board. Severely.

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Clearly across the entire NBA as well. We got Rondo for scraps that any team could have beat if they wanted him, meanwhile Phoenix’s phone is ringing off the hook for Bledsoe. . .

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1. Chris Anderson. And again, it doesn't have to even approach that level of impact. Heck, last year McGee with the Warriors. It's fairly easy to find names if you're actually looking and set the bar at a reasonable level.

2. If you think Rondo is the same player now that he was prior to his ACL injury, I don't know what to say.

3. Tyreke took the ball out of Jrue's hands and we made the playoffs (without Cousins). Also Bledsoe is an elite pick and roll handler and draws free throws at an elite rate.

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1. Coming off a drug suspension but okay that's another one. But I know you see how rare it is.

2. Of course I think Rondo is a smarter player than he was 5 years ago.

3. Okay look at Rondos first game with us. 8 asissts (6 layups and 2 wide open 3s). Bledsoe is not going to run the offense like this. Look how crisp our offense looks and this video don't include all the hockey assists Rondo had that game. We'll be back doing P&R's every possession.
https://youtu.be/nXeC7FzEA_M

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Clearly across the entire NBA as well. We got Rondo for scraps that any team could have beat if they wanted him, meanwhile Phoenix’s phone is ringing off the hook for Bledsoe. . .

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Rondo could've got a fat check from the Lakers but he came here to win a championship. I guess economics is true people place price with quality, instead of realizing we were blessed with a steal.

https://twitter.com/OrtizDYST/status/922556676498231299

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Mike Ortiz Jr.‏
@OrtizDYST
Sources: Knicks and Nuggets are heavily interested in Eric Bledsoe. Bucks, Cavs, Pistons, and Pelicans are also interested.

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Still don't know how to embed tweets, but saw this.

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Analysis: Look, the Pelicans currently have no picks outbound and that's just not the way the NBA works. We have to have them owe someone a pick, it's in the bylaws.

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https://twitter.com/OrtizDYST/status/922556676498231299


Still don't know how to embed tweets, but saw this.

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When looking at the tweet, press the arrow pointing down that is located on the right side of the tweet. Then click embed tweet and copy and paste the corresponding link here.

HP Rondo came here to win a Championship??? Are you serious?

Sources: Knicks and Nuggets are heavily interested in Eric Bledsoe. Bucks, Cavs, Pistons, and Pelicans are also interested.

— Mike Ortiz Jr. (@OrtizDYST) October 23, 2017